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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday, 2nd March 2005, at 9.30 a.m. under
the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Philip Bailhache .
All members were present with the exception of –
S enat or Wendy Kinnard – out of the Island
S enat or Richard Joseph Shenton – ill
J ohn B audains Germain, Connétable of St. Martin – ill
K e nneth Priaulx Vibert , Connétable of St. Ouen– ill
P hi lip John Rondel, Deputy of St. John – out of the Island J enni fer-Anne Bridge, Deputy of St. Helier – ill.
Prayers
Modernisation of Jersey's Gambling Legislation – P.62/2004 (re-issue) Addendum and comments
THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of the Economic Development Committee concerning the modernisation of Jersey's gambling legislation, and, following consideration, Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Saviour sought leave to withdraw the proposition, which leave was refused by the States.
Members present voted as follows on the request to grant leave –
POUR: 21 CONTRE: 25 ABSTAIN: 46
Senator L. Norman
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy T.J. Le Main (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier
Senator E.P. Vibert
Senator of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES, following further consideration, rejected a proposition of Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of
St. Helier that, in accordance with Standing Order26A(1), the question be now put. Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 19 CONTRE: 21 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator F.H. Walker Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator L. Norman
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Helier Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (a) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to agree that legislation be brought forward for approval by the States to allow casino gambling.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 11 CONTRE: 36 ABSTAIN:
Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Deputy P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Hut (H)
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES adopted paragraph (b) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to agree that legislation be brought forward for approval by the States to allow on-line gambling.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 26 CONTRE: 21 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (c) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to agree that legislation be brought forward for approval by the States to allow commercial bingo.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 23 CONTRE: 24 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator F.H. Walker Senator S. Syvret Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.V.F. Le Claire
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton
THE STATES adopted paragraph (d) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to agree, in principle, that a Gambling Commission should be established in the Island and that the purpose of the Commission should be licensing, regulation, harm reduction/social responsibility and ensuring that gambling issues did not harm the Island's international reputation, with the terms of reference of the Commission to be approved by the States.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 7 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES adopted paragraph (e) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to agree that the Economic Development Committee, in conjunction with the Policy and Resources and Finance and Economics Committees, be tasked with negotiating the introduction of a new public Lottery to be operated jointly for the benefit of the public and charitable institutions in the Island.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 45 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.V.F Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES adopted paragraph (f) of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee requesting them to charge the Economic Development and Finance and Economics Committees with identifying the source of the additional funding required to give effect to these proposals.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 8 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity Deputy of Trinity
Deputy T.J. Le Main Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Change in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chair during consideration of the proposition of the Economic Development Committee concerning the modernisation of Jersey's gambling legislation, (P.62/2004 re-issue lodged "au Greffe" on 20th April 2004), and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mrs. Anne Helen Harris , Deputy Greffier of the States.
Draft Royal Court (Amendment No. 11) (Jersey) Law 200- P.7/2005 Comments
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Royal Court (Amendment No. 11) (Jersey) Law 200-.
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator Stuart Syvret, agreed that the Draft Termination of Pregnancy (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-, (P.15/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 25th January 2005), be taken as the first item of public business after the lunchtime adjournment at the present meeting.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 26 CONTRE: 16 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Draft Règlement (200-) (Abrogation) sur les Portefaix – P.16/2005
THE STATES, in pursuance of the powers conferred by the Order in Council of 26th December 1851, Article 4 of the Harbours (Administration) (Jersey) Law 1961, Article 49 of the Road Traffic (Jersey) Law 1956, and the Policing of Roads, Parks and Sea Beaches (Application of Fines) (Jersey) Law 1957, adopted Regulations entitled the Règlement (2005) (Abrogation) sur les Portefaix.
Former Jersey College for Girls, Rouge Bouillon, St. Helier: transfer of administration – P.21/2005 THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Education, Sport and Culture Committee –
( a ) authorised the transfer of administration of the buildings and land at the former Jersey College for
Girls, Rouge Bouillon, St. Helier, (as shown on Drawing No. 115/04/71), from the Education, Spor and Culture Committee to the Environment and Public Services Committee; and,
( b ) authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said drawing on behalf of the States. Draft Termination of Pregnancy (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200- P.15/2005
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Termination of Pregnancy (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-, and adopted the preamble.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 30 CONTRE: 14 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator S. Syvret Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.V.F. Le Claire
Senator E.P. Vibert Senator P.F. Routier
Connétable of St. Saviour Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of Trinity
Connétable of Trinity Deputy T.J. Le Main (H)
Connétable of St. John Deputy M.F. Dubras (L)
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES adopted Articles 1 to 3.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 29 CONTRE: 12 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator S. Syvret Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.V.F. Le Claire
Senator E.P. Vibert Senator P.F. Routier
Connétable of St. Saviour Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Connétable of Grouville Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES adopted Articles 4 and 5. THE STATES adopted Article 6. Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
CONTRE: 18
Senator L. Norman
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of Grouville
THE STATES adopted Articles 7 to 9.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Termination of Pregnancy (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-.
Adjournment
THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Tuesday 8th March 2005, in order to resume consideration of the outstanding matters of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.55 p.m.
A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States.