THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 19th March 2025, at 9.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , Robert James MacRae , Esquire.

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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Connétable Marcus O'Donnel Troy of St. Clement – excused attendance

Deputy Carolyn Fiona Labey of Grouville and St. Martin – en défaut (défaut raised at 09:40 a.m.) Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour – absent on States business

Deputy Hilary Louise Jeune of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity – absent on States business

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), Members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with Members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –

Connétable Richard Anthony Kingston Honeycombe of St. Ouen Documents presented

Road  Traffic:  offences  and  penalties.  (P.23/2025)  –  Children's  Rights  Impact  P.23/2025. Assessment.  Add. Presented: 19th March 2025, Deputy C.D. Curtis of St. Helier Central .

Notification of lodged propositions

Road Traffic: offences and penalties.  P.23/2025. Lodged: 19th March 2025, Deputy C.D. Curtis of St. Helier Central .

Personal statement

(see Official Report/Hansard)

Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour made a personal statement. Re-instatement of Senators P.2/2025

THE STATES, resuming consideration of a proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity entitled Re-instatement of Senators' (P.2/2025), rejected an amendment of Deputy Thomas Antony Coles of St. Helier South (P.2/2025 Amd.), that, in Paragraph (a), for the word "offices" there should be substituted the word "office"; the words " Connétable and" should be deleted; for the words "one Deputy from each of the nine electoral constituencies", there should be substituted the words, "the role of the Connétable s as Voting Members"; and for the word "nine" there should be substituted the word "twelve".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 11  CONTRE: 33  ABSTAINED: 1 Deputy G.P. Southern   Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy M. Tadier   Connétable of St. Lawrence

Deputy S.M. Ahier   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy R.J. Ward   Connétable of Trinity

Deputy C.S. Alves   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy S.Y. Mézec   Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy T.A. Coles   Connétable of St. John

Deputy J. Renouf   Connétable of Grouville

Deputy C.D. Curtis   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy L.V. Feltham   Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.S. Kovacs   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity , rejected an amendment of Deputy Samuel Yves Mézec of St. Helier South (P.2/2025 Amd.(2), that –

in Paragraph (a), the words "by removing one Deputy from each of the nine electoral constituencies and substituting nine Senators in their place; and" should be deleted;

after paragraph (a) there should be inserted a new paragraph (b) as follows and the subsequent paragraphs should be re-designated accordingly –

"(b) that  an  Independent  Boundaries  Commission,  as  approved  by  the  Assembly  under P.139/2020, should be established to produce an analysis of the impact of reintroduction of

Senators on voter equity and the Island's compliance with the Venice Commission's Code of Good Practice in Electoral Matters; and"; and

in Paragraph (b), after the words "to bring forward the" there should be inserted the words "findings of the Independent Boundaries Commission to the Assembly prior to implementation of the"; after the words "to give effect to" there should be inserted the words "part (a) of"; and the words "in time for the General Election in 2026" should be deleted.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 11  CONTRE: 33  ABSTAINED: 1 Deputy G.P. Southern   Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy M. Tadier   Connétable of St. Lawrence

Deputy S.M. Ahier   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy R.J. Ward   Connétable of Trinity

Deputy C.S. Alves   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy S.Y. Mézec   Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy T.A. Coles   Connétable of St. John

Deputy J. Renouf   Connétable of Grouville

Deputy C.D. Curtis   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy L.V. Feltham   Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.S. Kovacs   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity , rejected Part 1 of an amendment of Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter (P.2/2025 Amd.(4), that –

in paragraph (a), after the words "constituencies and substituting", there should be substituted the word "nine", with the word "seven"; after the words "in their place", there should be inserted the words, "reducing the number of Members within the States Assembly to 47".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 8  CONTRE: 37  ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. John Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée   Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Following the rejection of Part 1 of the amendment of Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter (P.2/2025 Amd.(4)), the Deputy Bailiff informed the Assembly that Part 2 of the amendment was deemed to have been withdrawn.

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity , rejected Part 3 of the amendment of Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Ouen , St. Mary and St. Peter (P.2/2025 Amd.(4)), that, after paragraph (a), there should be inserted a new paragraph (b) as follows and the subsequent paragraphs re-designated accordingly –

"(b) that the Senators should form the entire Council of Ministers;"

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 3  CONTRE: 42  ABSTAINED: 0 Deputy I. Gardiner   Connétable of St. Helier

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée   Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity entitled Re-instatement of Senators' (P.2/2025), rejected an amendment of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade (P.2/2025 Amd.(5)), that, after paragraph (a), there should be inserted the following new paragraph (b) and the subsequent paragraph redesignated accordingly –

"(b) that the election for Senators should be held in advance of the deadline for nomination of any

other class of candidate for election as a States Assembly Member; and".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 22  CONTRE: 24  ABSTAINED: 0

Connétable of St. Helier   Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy G.P. Southern   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 20th March 2025 to continue consideration of the proposition of Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity entitled Re-instatement of Senators' (P.2/2025) and the other outstanding propositions listed for the meeting.

THE STATES rose at 5.18 p.m.

W.J.C. MILLOW Deputy Greffier of the States