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THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 10th December, 1985 at 10.15 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Frank Ereaut. ____________
His Excellency The Lieutenant Governor, Admiral Sir William Pillar, G.B.E., K.C.B., was present.
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All members were present ____________
Prayers ____________
Subordinate legislation tabled.
The following enactments were laid before the States, namely –
- Post Office (Foreign Post Provisions) (Amendment No. 9) (Jersey) Order, 1985. R & O 7448.
- Parish Rate (Form of Documents) (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Order, 1985. R & O 7449.
Matter lodged.
The following subject was lodged "au Greffe" –
Draft Judicial Fees (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Regulations, 198 . P.155/85.
Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee.
337 Price : £1.50
Le Marais Estate, St. Clement : further development. P.142/85.
THE STATES acceded to the request of the President of the Housing Committee that consideration of the Proposition regarding further development at Le Marais Estate, St. Clement (lodged on 12th November, 1985) be deferred from the present Sitting to a later date.
Almorah Crescent, St. Helier . Questions and answers.
Deputy Sir Martin Le Quesne of St. Saviour asked the Connétable of St. John , President of the Island Development Committee, the following questions –
"Will the President inform the House –
- whether his Committee has received an application for financial assistance towards the cost of the maintenance of the façade of Almorah Crescent and what the Committee's answer was?
- what are the principles according to which the Committee decides its reply to applications of this kind?"
The President of the Island Development Committee replied as follows –
"1. My Committee inherited correspondence from the
previous Committee regarding possible grant-aid for the preservation of the façade of Almorah Crescent.
As a result, I went shortly after taking up the Presidency (1st March, 1985) to discuss the matter on site with the Chairman of the Proprietors of the Crescent. At the end of that meeting, I told him that, whereas it could take time to arrive at an Island-wide grant-aid scheme, I would seek to acquire funds in the next Committee budget for a pilot scheme related to Almorah Crescent.
In the event, a sum of £30,000 was inscribed in the Committee's Estimates for 1986 for this purpose. Unfortunately, it fell victim to the cuts pressed by the Finance and Economics Committee in respect of sums over the target prescribed for the Committee and was deleted from the 1986 Budget.
An officer of the Committee attended a meeting of the Proprietors on 17th October and informed them accordingly.
The Committee is, however, taking further steps to which I will refer when answering the second question.
2. The principles according to which the Committee decides its reply to such applications are –
- the first principle is that established by the Island Planning Law which requires that no person shall execute any works for the demolition of a listed building, or for its extension or alteration in any manner which would seriously affect its character without the prior consent of the Committee. The present position is therefore effectively that an owner is entirely responsible for the maintenance of the character of a listed building.
- however, it seems unreasonable that an owner should bear often abnormal costs in maintaining a listed building, when the purpose of such listing is that of contributing to the heritage of the community. A second principle therefore emerges that the community should contribute to its maintenance to the extent of the abnormal costs associated with its special character.
This second principle is addressed in the Chapter on the Built Environment in Volume II of the Island Plan. During its consideration, the States will have the opportunity of deciding whether they wish to provide the level of resources necessary to review the listing of buildings of architectural or historic interest, and for their grant-aided preservation."
Queen's Valley Reservoir. Questions and answers.
Senator Jane Patricia Sandeman asked Deputy Donald George Filleul of St. Helier , President of the Public Works Committee, the following questions –
"Queen's Valley Reservoir will have a storage capacity of 250 million gallons and an anticipated yield of 450 million gallons –
- will the President give the estimated amount –
- of250 m.g. of water for storage; and
- of450 m.g. of yield
which will come from the Queen's Valley catchment area?
- what is the estimated shortfall in the amount of water required to meet the projected storage capacity and yield of Queen's Valley reservoir?
- how will this shortfall be overcome?"
The President of the Public Works Committee replied as follows –
"1. The answer to this question was given in the reply to
the Senator's questions of 8th October, 1985 – the catchment will supply, in the 2 per cent design year, an estimated 200 million gallons towards both storage and yield.
In an average year, however, the stream flow is between 300 and 370 million gallons and can therefore be expected to more than fill the reservoir which would, in any case, start empty only in its very first year.
- In most years, there is no shortfall – in the 2 per cent design year the difference between the 200 million gallons in flow and the projected yield of450 million gallons will come from elsewhere.
- As was explained in answers on 8th October, 1985, The Jersey New Waterworks Company Limited has an integrated supply system which enables it to transfer water from one reservoir to another. To quote from my reply on that occasion – a considerable proportion of the precipitation in the East of the Island is available for collection relatively cheaply at Rozel and St. Catherine's, where small retaining dams already exist; and from surplus water currently running to waste at Grands Vaux'. To this can be added Vallée des Vaux.
The Committee is fully confident in the Company's ability to draw on these resources in the skilled manner which its long experience has enabled it to develop. Should it be shown from experience in operating Queen's Valley that it is desirable to draw from these areas, this will be done."
Post of Chief Executive Officer, States Personnel Department. Questions and answers.
Senator Richard Joseph Shenton asked Deputy Sir Martin Le Quesne of St. Saviour , President of the Establishment Committee, the following questions –
"1. In answer to a question answered last week the President referred to his inability to answer whether applicants for the position of Chief Executive Officer
had been advised against application. Will he now inform the House whether or not applicants were advised against applying?
- In view of the concern expressed both within the civil service and by members of the public, will his Committee now consider re-advertising the post?
- Will the President agree that the way in which this vacancy was advertised and filled could give the impression of patronage or favouritism?"
The President of the Establishment Committee replied as follows –
"1. I did not say last week that I was unable to say
whether applicants for the post had been advised against application, because that was not the question put to me. I said that I could not answer for the reasons for which individuals made their decision whether or not to apply. In reply to the different question put to me this week I can say in the clearest possible terms that no eligible person was advised against applying.
- No.
- No."
Supplementary and Additional Votes of Credit.
THE STATES considered an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 25th November, 1985 presenting Acts of the undermentioned Committees and, acceding to the requests contained therein, granted to the said Committees Supplementary (S) and Additional (A) votes of credit out of the General Reserve as follows –
£ £
Finance and Economics Committee
Bailiff 's Chambers
0301 Staff 5,600 0302 Premises 100 0305 Establishment 1,800
Judicial Greffe
0321 Staff 28,600 0322 Premises 6,700 0325 Establishment 6,700
Probation Service
0351 Staff 8,400 0352 Premises 100
Impôts Department
0361 Staff 58,500 0362 Premises 1,900 0363 Supplies and Services 3,800
Income Tax Department
0371 Staff 82,900
0378 Capital Servicing 23,100 States' Greffe
0398 Capital Servicing 1,400
Economic Adviser
0421 Staff 5,300 Miscellaneous Expenditure
0601 Cost of Audit 5,500 0603 Criminal Cases –
prosecution and other costs 5,000 0605 Insurance 15,500 0606 Sundries 5,000 0607 Joint Advisory Council 2,400
Establishment of H.E. The
Lieutenant Governor
0701 Staff 6,800
Total request £275,100 250,600 24,500
£ £
Defence Committee
Miscellaneous
1016 Maintenance of Property 2,500
Motor Traffic Office
1124 Transport 500 1126 Highway Codes and Road
Safety Expenses 500 Police
1203 Supplies and Services 3,700 Total request 7,200
Public Works Committee
Administration
2019 Emergency Employment
Scheme 42,000
Car Parks
2031 Staff 6,000 2032 Premises 12,000
Highways and Public Land –
Maintenance and Minor Improvements
2053 Supplies and Services 144,000 Highways and Public Land –
Beaches and Toilets – Cleaning
2063 Supplies and Services 20,000
Public Buildings
2081 Staff 6,000 2082 Premises 23,600
Public Markets
2101 Staff 400 2102 Premises 23,000 2103 Supplies and Services 500 2105 Establishment 300
Carried forward 277,800
£ £
Public Works Committee cont'd.
Brought forward 277,800 Consumer Advice and Protection
2205 Establishment 100
Weights and Measures
2304 Transport 200 2305 Establishment 100 Total request 278,200
Education Committee
2400 Pre-School Education 2,000
Primary School – Non Fee Paying
2501 Teaching Staff 84,000 2502 Non-Teaching Staff 11,700 2503 Premises 26,000
Secondary Schools – Non Fee Paying
2601 Teaching Staff 13,000 2603 Premises 18,700
Victoria College
2611 Teaching Staff 31,300 2612 Non-Teaching Staff 2,000 2613 Premises 10,000
Victoria College Boarding House
2622 Non-Teaching Staff 3,000 2623 Premises 3,000
Jersey College for Girls
2631 Teaching Staff 21,000 2632 Non-Teaching Staff 8,000 2633 Premises 5,000
Technical and Vocational Education
2702 Non-Teaching Staff 11,000 2703 Premises 4,000 Carried forward 253,700
£ £
Education Committee cont'd.
Brought forward 253,700
Adult Education
2711 Teaching Staff 5,000 2712 Non-Teaching Staff 600
Special Education
2801 Teaching Staff 42,000 2802 Non-Teaching Staff 5,000
Residential School
2832 Staff 10,000 2833 Premises 2,000 2839 Capital Servicing 1,800
Sports and Recreation
2880 Cost of Maintaining Playing
Fields and Grounds 25,000
Children's Homes
2912 Staff 8,000 2913 Premises 8,000 2919 Capital Servicing 18,000
Group Homes
2922 Staff 6,500 2923 Premises 1,800 2928 Establishment 4,000
Public Libraries
3002 Staff 8,000 3004 Premises 4,000
Cultural Sports and Allied Grants
3012 Grants for Cultural
Activities 5,000 3014 Grant to Arts Council 250,000 3050 School Milk 6,000
Carried forward 664,400
£ £
Education Committee cont'd.
Brought forward 664,400 3070 Teachers' Pension Increases
and Pensions for Recognised
Service 20,000
General Educational Services
3107 Housing and Recruitment
of Staff 4,000
Administration
3152 Staff 30,800 3153 Premises 7,000 3158 Establishment 7,500
Advisory Services
3171 Staff 7,500
Youth Service
3189 Capital Servicing 7,600 Total request 748,800
Public Health Committee
Administration
3201 Staff 5,500 3205 Establishment 600
School Dental Service
3221 Staff 3,500 3223 Supplies and Services 500 3225 Establishment 200
Crematorium
3231 Staff 1,100 3232 Premises 600 3233 Supplies and Services 1,000
Carried forward 13,000
£ £
Public Health Committee cont'd.
Brought forward 13,000 Health and Social Services
3261 Environmental Health 5,700 3262 M.M.R. Tuberculosis and
Diseases of the Chest 1,400 3263 Immunisation and Health
Education 2,800 3264 Cervical Cytology and
Family Planning 3,300 3265 Welfare of the Aged and
Infirm 1,200 3266 School Medical Service
and Speech Therapy 1,900
Le Geyt Centre
3271 Staff 5,200 3272 Premises 900 3273 Supplies and Services 5,800 3276 Incentive Payments – Trainees 500
General Hospital
3401 Staff
3402 Premises
3402A Repairs to St. Elmo 3403 Supplies and Services 3404 Transport
3405 Establishment
551,800 98,600
25,000
166,400 700 67,000
Pathological Laboratory
3411 Staff 41,000 3412 Premises 1,800 3413 Supplies and Services 22,400 3415 Establishment 4,300 3418 Capital Servicing 12,500
Maternity Hospital
3421 Staff 85,300
3422 Premises 11,700
3423 Supplies and Services 7,600
3425 Establishment 300
Carried forward 1,113,100 25,000
STATES MINUTES
Public Health Committee cont'd. Brought forward
St. Saviour 's Hospital
3431 Staff
3432 Premises
3432A Chez Marguerite
3433 Supplies and Services 3435 Establishment
Overdale Hospital
3441 Staff
3442 Premises
3443 Supplies and Services 3445 Establishment
Day Hospitals and Poplars 3441A Staff
3443A Supplies and Services
Sandybrook/ Grouville /The Limes 3451 Staff
3452 Premises
3453 Supplies and Services 3455 Establishment
Ambulance
3461 Staff
3462 Premises
3463 Supplies and Services 3464 Transport
3465 Establishment
Transport
3461A Staff
3462A Premises
3463A Supplies and Services 3464A Transport
Maison Le Pape
3471 Staff
3472 Premises
3473 Supplies and Services
Carried forward
10th December, 1985
S A
£ £
1,113,100 25,000
218,900 57,300 50,000 69,800 4,700
133,100 51,900 15,600 1,400
7,100 10,000
175,500 28,100 21,700 400
44,200 1,200 2,000 12,200 900
11,700 1,100 1,400 8,100
14,000
1,800
2,500
2,059,700 25,000
£ £
Public Health Committee cont'd. Brought forward
Willows Day Care Centre
3481 Staff
3483 Supplies and Services
2,059,700 25,000
1,000 600
Laundry
3491 Staff 10,800 3492 Premises 1,000 3493 Supplies and Services 1,000
Total request £2,099,100 2,074,100 25,000
Agriculture and Fisheries Committee
Administration
4101 Staff 27,200 4105 Establishment 7,300
Howard Davis Farm
4111 Staff 3,600
Slaughterhouse
4121 Staff 1,400 4125 Establishment 1,200
Subsidies and Grants
4132 Milk Recording and
Incentive 80,400 4143 Growers – Interest
Subsidy Scheme 65,000 Total request 186,100
Tourism Committee
4630 Live Saving Services 4,000 État Civil Committee
4701 Staff 800
£ £
Social Security Committee
States Grants to Insurance Funds
4803 Small Income Exceptions –
Health Insurance 15,100
Services Related to Employment
4821 Job Centre 6,700 4822 Safeguarding of Workers 2,300
Total request 24,100 Cottage Homes Committee
4901 Staff 1,500 4902 Premises 2,000
Total request 3,500
Establishment Committee
Computer Services
5123 Supplies and Services 12,000
Island Development Committee
5201 Staff 19,500 5205 Establishment 9,700 5215 Les Mielles Maintenance 600
Total request 29,800
Elizabeth House
5301 Staff 12,100 5303 Supplies and Services 7,400
Total request 19,500 Housing Committee
States' Houses
5412 Maintenance of States'
Dwellings 15,000
£ £
Fort Regent Development Committee
General Overheads
5711 Staff 12,300 5715 Establishment 5,000 5716 Bands, Entertainments and
Promotions 5,000
Swimming Pool and Gloucester Hall
5721 Staff 9,700 5722 Premises 8,000
Administration
5733 Supplies and Services 6,000
Cable Cars
5761 Staff 2,300 5763 Supplies and Services 15,000
Total request 63,300
CAPITAL VOTES OF CREDIT
Harbours and Airport Committee
C0263 Department of Electronics –
New Workshop 64,000
C0266 Arrivals Hall
Improvements 3,000 Total request 67,000
The total requests granted for the December Supply Day amounted to £3,833,500.
Highlands, St. Saviour – extinguishment of right of way.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Education Committee –
- agreed to extinguish the right of way enjoyed by Mrs. Gladys Joyce Songhurst, née Le Dain, over an area of land, administered by the Education Committee, measuring approximately 1,000 square feet, situated near the junction of the access road to Highlands with Bon Air Lane, St. Saviour , for a consideration of £750 plus the payment of legal expenses;
- authorised the Attorney General and the Greffier of the States to pass the necessary contract in the matter;
- authorised the Treasurer of the States to make the necessary payment out of Vote No. 3158 "Administration – Establishment".
Belford Place, Dicq Road, St. Saviour .
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –
- approved Drawing No. 3330/2 showing the development of Belford Place, Dicq Road, St. Saviour to provide six units of accommodation;
- authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Drawing on behalf of the States.
Wesley Street, St. Helier – No. 8.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –
- approved the leasing from Mrs. Clara Alstadt, née Mayer, of No. 8 Wesley Street, St. Helier measuring approximately 4,500 square feet in area for a period of two years with effect from 25th December, 1985, with the right to assign, at a rent of £13,014.93 a year, the lessor to be responsible for external and internal repairs and the payment of foncier rates and basic insurance;
- authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the necessary agreement with Mrs. C. Alstadt;
- authorised the Treasurer of the States to pay the rent as it became due.
Commissioners of Appeal for Income Tax: appointment.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee –
- approved the appointment as a Commissioner of Appeal for Income Tax for a three year period commencing 1st January, 1986, of Thomas Charles Walker , Esq,; and
- approved the re-appointment as Commissioners of Appeal for Income Tax for a period of three years commencing 1st January, 1986,of –
Philip Mauger de Veulle, Esq.
Robert George Wood, Esq.
Richard Raymond Grandin Gallichan, Esq., D.S.C.
Harry Wookey Hall , Esq.
Commonwealth Parliamentary Association – Executive Committee Meeting and Small Countries' Conference.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of Senator Reginald Robert Jeune , agreed that the Executive Committee of the Jersey Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association should invite the Association to hold the Conference of Representatives of Branches in Small Countries and the meeting of the Association's Executive Committee in Jersey in 1986.
Welfare Payments: Connétable s' discretion. P.121/85.
THE STATES, having accepted an amendment of Senator Ralph Vibert that after the words "exceptional circumstances" the words "and the notified rates should be regarded as the minimum rates" be deleted, adopted a Proposition of Senator Richard Joseph Shenton and agreed that the Connétable s or their representatives should continue to have discretion to vary the rates of welfare benefit as notified to the States each year, but that such discretion should only be exercised in very exceptional circumstances.
Règlements (1985) sur l'État Civil. P.146/85.
THE STATES, by virtue of Article 71A of the "Loi (1842) sur l'État Civil", as amended, made Regulations entitled the "Règlements (1985) sur l'État Civil".
St. Catherine's Oyster Farm: Act of Authorisation. P.147/85.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee, approved the granting to St. Catherine's Oyster Farm, in pursuance of the "Loi (1882) sur les parcs à huîtres", of an Act of Authorisation in the terms of the draft contained in P.147/85 in respect of the appropriation of an area of the foreshore and the open sea in St. Catherine's Bay for the establishment and operation of an oyster fishery.
European Communities (Spanish and Portuguese Accession) (Jersey) Regulations, 1985. P.149/85.
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 1 of the European Communities (Jersey) Law, 1973, as amended, made Regulations entitled the European Communities (Spanish and Portuguese Accession) (Jersey) Regulations, 1985.
Milk (Sale to Special Classes) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations, 1985. P.151/85.
THE STATES, by virtue and in exercise of the powers conferred upon them by the Order in Council of the fourteenth day of April, 1884, made Regulations entitled the Milk (Sale to Special Classes) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations, 1985.
Queen's Valley: plans. P.152/85.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of Senator Jane Patricia Sandeman, agreed that –
- the "deposited plan" for the Queen's Valley Reservoir should be published and made available for inspection at the States' Greffe and the Parish Hall s at least twenty clear working days before P.115/85 is debated;
- a map of the Queen's Valley catchment area should be published and made available for inspection in a similar manner.
Perrot Hall , Victoria Street, St. Helier : purchase and redevelopment. P.153/85.
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –
- approved the acquisition from Sheiling Developments Limited of the property known as Perrot Hall , and outbuildings, Victoria Street, St. Helier , for a consideration of £54,694, with each party being responsible for the payment of its own legal fees;
- authorised the Attorney General and the Greffier of the States to pass the necessary contract in the matter;
- authorised the Treasurer of the States to pay the amount connected with the above transaction from the Capital vote of credit granted to the Housing Committee under the heading "Land Purchase" (C.1104);
- approved Drawings Nos. 1473/5A, 1473/6A, 1473/7A and 1473/8A showing the construction of 13 one- bedroomed flats on the site of Perrot Hall and adjacent land in the ownership in the public of the Island already forming part of the Convent Court site in Val Plaisant, St. Helier ;
- authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Drawings on behalf of the States;
- (i) authorised the Committee to accept a fixed price contract with Sheiling Developments Limited for the construction of the said 13 one-bedroomed flats, for use as States' rental accommodation, in the sum of £359,400;
- authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the necessary contract on behalf of the States in January 1986;
- approved the payment to Sheiling Developments Limited of pre-contract professional fees in the sum of £24,747;
- approved the payment to the Architect, Quantity Surveyor and Structural Engineer responsible for the project of post-contract professional fees in the sum of £7,789;
- authorised the Treasurer of the States to pay the amounts specified in sub-paragraph (f) above at the appropriate time.
Compliments of the Season.
Senator Ralph Vibert on behalf of the Senators, Connétable Charles Alan Le Maistre of Grouville on behalf of the Connétable s, and Deputy Philip George Mourant of St. Helier on behalf of the Deputies, wished the Bailiff and Lady Ereaut, His Excellency The Lieutenant Governor and Lady Pillar and the Officers of the States the compliments of the Season, to which the Bailiff responded.
Retirement of Sir Frank Ereaut, Bailiff .
Senator Ralph Vibert , the Connétable of Grouville and Deputy Philip George Mourant of St. Helier , on behalf of all the Members and Officers of the States, paid tribute to the services rendered to the States and the Island by Sir Frank Ereaut during his period of office as Bailiff from 1975 to 1985 and wished him and Lady Ereaut a long and happy retirement.
The Bailiff suitably responded. THE STATES rose at 6.10 p.m.
E.J.M. POTTER, Greffier of the States.