States Minutes 6th June 1989

STATES MINUTES 6 t h J u n e, 1989

 THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 6th June, 1989 at 10.15 a.m. under

  the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff ,

V e rnon Amy Tomes, Esquire.

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All Members were present with the exception of -

S enator Bernard Thomas Binnington -

o ut of the Island.

S enator Terence John Le Main - absent. I ris Medora Le Feuvre, Connétable of

S t. Lawrence - out of the Island.

M argaret Sylvia Rose Beadle, Deputy of S t. Brelade - ill.

 H enri Léon Dubras, Deputy of St.

M artin - out of the Island.

 P ercy John Le Masurier, Deputy of St.

O uen - absent.

 D erek Ryder Maltwood, Deputy of St.

M ary - out of the Island.

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P r a y e rs  

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Subordinate legislation tabled.

The following enactments were laid before the States, namely -

 1 .  Public Finances (General)

( A m endment No. 15) (Jersey) Rules, 1 9 8 9. R & O 7924.

 2 .  Road Traffic (Public Parking

P l a ces) (Amendment No. 9) (Jersey) O  rd er, 1989. R & O 7925.

Occupation and Liberation Committee: vacancy in Presidency. In accordance with Article 28(3)

of the States of Jersey Law, 1966, the Deputy Bailiff gave notice that there was a vacancy in the office of President of the Occupation and Liberation Committee.

Occupation and Liberation

Committee: appointment of President and Members.

THE STATES, on the proposition of

Deputy Cynthia Miriam Horne of St. Helier , appointed Deputy Graeme Ernest Rabet of St. Helier as President of the Occupation and Liberation Committee.

THE STATES, on the proposition of Deputy Rabet, appointed the following as

Members -

L eonard Picot, Connétable of Trinity M argaret Sylvia Rose Beadle, Deputy of S t. Brelade

C arlyle John Le Herissier Hinault,

D eputy of St. John

C ynthia Miriam Horne, Deputy of St.

H elier

H enry George Coutanche, Deputy of St. L awrence

S hirley Margaret Baudains, Deputy of

S t. Helier.

Matters lodged.

The following subjects were lodged au Greffe'' -

1 . Port of St. Helier - South Pier: b a ll oon store. P.75/89.

P r e sented by the Harbours and A  ir port Committee.

 2 .  La Collette: extension of

e l ec trical power distribution.

P . 7 6/89.

P r e sented by the Harbours and A  ir port Committee.

3 . Airport - power supply

e n h ancement: phase III. P.77/89. P r e sented by the Harbours and

A  ir port Committee.

T he States decided to take the a bovementioned items into c onsideration on 20th June, 1989.

 4 .  Public Health Committee: capital p r o jects for 1990. P.78/89.

P r e sented by the Public Health

C o m mittee.

 5 .  Victoria College/Jersey  College f o r Girls:  development.

P . 7 9/89.

P r e sented by the Education

C o m mittee. The States decided to t a ke this subject into

c o n sideration on 27th June, 1989.

 6 .  Government House: scale of

a c c ommodation. P.80/89.

P r e sented by the Public Works C o m mittee.

 7 .  Official Analyst: laboratory

ex t ension. P.81/89.

P r e sented by the Public Works C o m mittee.

 8 .  Clos du Fort, St. Helier : s ta b ilisation of rock face. P . 8 2/89.

P r e sented by the Housing C o m mittee.

 9 .  Capital projects: planning vote. P . 8 3/89.

P r e sented by the Finance and

E c o nomics Committee.

 1 0. Crabbé Farm: refurbishment. P . 8 4/89.

P r e sented by the Defence

C o m mittee.

 1 1. Crabbé firing range: reinstatement

o f f iring point. P.85/89.

P r e sented by the Defence

C o m mittee.

 1 2. Police headquarters:

r e o rganisation of office

a c c ommodation. P.86/89. P r e sented by the Defence C o m mittee.

 1 3. Housing Committee: capital p r o posals for 1990. P.87/89. P r e sented by the Housing

C o m mittee.

 1 4. Central Market: roof repairs. P . 8 8/89.

P r e sented by the Public Works C o m mittee.

 1 5. 1 Green Street/50 La Colomberie, S t . Helier: acquisition. P.89/89.

P r e sented by the Public Works

C o m mittee.

T he States decided to take items 6 to 1 5 inclusive into consideration on

2 0th June, 1989.

 1 6. Ecology Trust Fund. P.90/89.

P r e sented by Senator D.A. Carter.

Rezoning of land for Category A housing. P.57/89.

THE STATES acceded to the request

of the President of the Island Development Committee that consideration of the Proposition regarding the rezoning of land for Category A housing (lodged on 9th May, 1989) be deferred from 13th May, 1989 to a later date.

States housing and States loans. Questions and answers.

Deputy Corrie Stein of Grouville

asked Deputy Hendricus Adolphus Vandervliet of St. Lawrence, President of the Housing Committee, the following questions -

1.  How many houses or units of

a c c o m modation have been built i n e a c h of the Parishes during

t h e l as t 10 years in the

f o ll o w ing categories, namely -

( a ) States loan;

( b ) States rental?

 2 .  (i) How many town sites are

a v a il a ble for the Housing

C o m m ittee to commence

d e v e lo pment within the next t h re e years as follows -

( a ) S t ates rental; ( b ) S  tates loan;

( c ) s u itable for purchase by m o r tg a g e on a flying

fr e e h o ld ?

( ii )  H ow many of the sites

in d i c a te d on the Island

P la n a re either

u n av a i l ab le or extremely d if fi c u l t to acquire?

 3 .  (a) How many people are on the S t a te s loan waiting list?

( b ) Have they all been vetted to c o n f ir m that they are serious a p p l ic ants for a loan?

( c ) What is the present income l im  it f or someone to be

e l ig i b le for the grant of a

b a s ic States loan?

 4 .  (a) How many houses in Jersey are u n o c c upied for over one year?

( b ) What is the Committee trying t o d o about this?''

The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows -

1.  (a)  My Committee does not

h av e r ec o rds of all

p ri v a te l y constructed

S ta t e s lo a n properties

an d h e n c e I cannot give a co m  p l e te answer to this

q u es t io n . The following

st a ti s ti c s are

av a i la b l e -

S t a te s P  ri v a te

S t . H e lier 2 8 9

S t . S a viour  9 2 1 13

S t . C l ement 4 5 G  ro u v ille 2 5 2 4

S t . J o hn 4 4   S t . L a wrence 4 4 S t . P e ter 1 4  

S t . B r elade  6 7 2 5

S t . O u en 7 5    1 8 6 4 7 3

T O TAL 659.

H o w e ver, the fact that my C o m m ittee has granted

a p p r o ximately 2,000 States l o a n s during this time

i n d ic a tes that many more p r o p e rties have been

c o n s tr ucted than the above f ig u r e s suggest;

( b ) States rental

S t . H e lier  696 S t . S a viour 122 G  ro u v ille 9 4 S t . B r elade  46 S t . J o hn 4     9 6 2

 2 .  (i) (a)  12, including Norman's T im  b e r Y ard, with a

p o te n t ia l yield of 193

u n it s. W e are, however,

h o p ef u l t hat more town

si te s w i ll be made

av a i la b l e during this

ti m e - s c al e in the light

o f re c e n t comments made

b y t h e P o licy and

R e s o u rc e s Committee;

( b ) t o my knowledge there is n o ne suitable for loan

d ev e l o p m ent in terms of

h o u se s , t hough some of

th e 1 2 s it es referred to

in m y re p ly to the last

q u es t io n could be

d ev e l o p e d with flats for

sa l e o n 9 9 year leases

w i th th e assistance of

S ta t e s lo a ns if my

C o m m i tt ee chooses to take th e m   o u t of its rental

p ro g r a m m e;

    ( c ) I h ave already stated

th a t t h e re are town sites

av a i la b l e which could be

d ev e l o p e d with flats for

sa l e o n 9 9 year leases

w i th th e assistance of

S ta t e s lo a ns. Such flats

co u l d eq u ally be sold on

f ly i n g f r eehold' if the

la w p e r m itted this.

H o w  ev e r , the mere

ex i s te n c e of a flying

fr e e h o ld ' does not in

it se l f c r e ate additional

u n it s f o r housing - sites

st il l n e e d to be made

av a i la b l e . It must be

ad d e d , h o wever, that the

ex i s te n c e of a flying

fr e e h o ld ' would stimulate

th e d ev e l opment of flats

fo r s a l e b y the private

se c t o r, o n which the

H o u s in g Committee would b e a b le to grant States

lo a n s .

( ii )  A pproximately half of the C a te g o r y A' sites in the

Is l an d P l an are either

u n av a i l ab le or difficult

to a cq u i r e, for varying

re a s o n s , at the present

ti m e . M  y Committee will co n t i n u e to pursue the

ac q u i s it io n of all zoned

si te s .

 3 .  (a) Currently there are 1,350

p e r so n s from whom my Committee h a s r e ceived application forms

w  is h in g to be considered for

S t a te s loan properties. This

n u m  b er includes persons

p r e se n tly serving in Her

M  a je s ty's Forces, working

a b r o a d or of single marital

s ta t u s , and who are not

t h e re f ore eligible for

a l lo c a tion of a family size

S t a te s loan property at the

p r e se n t time. The number of

a p p l ic ants eligible for an

o f fe r t oday is approximately

6 0 0 ;  

( b ) all applicants have been c l ea r e d in terms of their

q u a l if ications both under the H o u si ng Regulations and as f ir s t- t ime buyers, and all are p r e su m ed to be serious about t h e ir a pplications;

( c ) the Building Loan Regulations

d o n o t provide for an income

l im  it i n respect of the grant

o f a lo an. An individual is

e l ig i b le for a loan provided

h e h a s residential

q u a l if ications to purchase,

a n d h a s never owned freehold

p r o p e rty in the Island.

H  o w e ver, my Department

r e q u ir es full details of

s a v in g s, income, and other

a s s et s , and ensures that a

b o r ro w er pays maximum deposit. B o r r o wers on good incomes are

c a ll e d upon to pay the maximum r a te of interest under the

s c h e m e, i.e. 10 per cent,

w  h er e they can afford to do

s o . I n deed, in a report and

p r o p o sition currently with the

F i n a n ce and Economics

C o m m ittee, my Committee is

s u g g e sting that the 10 per

c e n t m aximum rate of interest

g i v e s way to commercial rate

w  h er e a borrower's income

j u st i fi es this.

 4 .  (a) It would be extremely

i m p racticable, especially

g i v e n the restraint on

m  a n p ower, for my Committee to c o m  p ile up-to-date statistics

o n u n occupied properties. It

i s, h o w ever, very rare that a

p r o p e rty remains unoccupied

f o r a y ear or more. The demand f o r p r operty, in terms of both

r e n ta l and purchase, is so

g r e a t that there is every

f in a n c ial incentive for a

p r o p e rty owner to make use of

h i s p r operty rather than leave

i t e m p ty. Those which are

u n o c c upied for a prolonged

p e r io d are normally involved

i n i n h eritance problems, with

t h e i n evitable delays these

i n c u r, or particularly with v e r y o ld properties, are the s u b je c t of redevelopment or m  o d e rnisation proposals;

( b ) in the light of the above

a n s w e r, Members should not be   su r p rised to learn that my

C o m m ittee is not contemplating a c ti o n on this matter. Such

a c ti o n could only be

c o m  p ulsory purchase, which

d e p e n ding on the property may n o t a l ways be appropriate and

w  h ic h could well be seen as a

d r a c o nian approach to what my C o m m ittee believes to be an

i n si g n ificant problem at the

p r e se n t time.''

Units of accommodation and sites. Questions and answers.

Deputy Corrie Stein of Grouville asked the Connétable of St. John, President of the Island Development Committee, the following questions -

1.  Will the President tell the

S t a te s how many units of

a c c o m modation are planned for t h e n e w reclamation site (West

o f A  lb ert) in the following

c a te g o ries, namely -

( a ) States loan;

( b ) States rental;

( c ) private development;

( d ) units which could be purchased w  it h a mortgage if the

l e g is la tion on flying

f re e h o lds were enacted?

 2 .  When will a decision be made

i n r elation to the proposed marina a n d village development at Havre- d e s -Pas?

 3 .  Will the President inform the

H  o use of the comments made by the A  g riculture and Fisheries

C o m mittee on the various sites

l is t ed in the Committee's p r o posals (P.57 of 1989), for r e zo ning for Category A

r e si dential development?

 4 .  How many houses or units

o f a ccommodation have been built

i n e ach of the Parishes during the l a st 10 years under the heading of p r iv ate development?''

The President of the Island Development Committee replied as follows -

1.  As the Deputy will know, the

C o m m ittee has established a

W  a te r front Advisory Group

w  h ic h is currently preparing a

b r ie f for consultants to

p r e p a re a plan - not only for

t h e A l bert Pier Reclamation

S i te b ut for the waterfront as

a w  h o le. The desirability of

i n c lu d ing housing of various

t y p e s is certainly one of the

m  a tt e rs being addressed by the

g r o u p . The brief is being

p r e p a red for the Island

D  ev e l opment Committee and the S t a te s will be asked to

a p p r o ve it before it is passed

t o t h e consultants.

C l e arly, until the brief is

c o m pleted and approved it is

i m p ossible to answer the Deputy 's q u e stion. Indeed it is highly

u n l ikely that such specific

n u m bers can be given until the

c o n sultants have produced their

p l an .

 2 .  The States are unlikely to be

a s k ed to consider making a

d e c ision on the marina village

d e v elopment proposed for Havre des P as until the consultants have

p r o duced their plan. However, the

c o n cept of a proposal of this type

w  il l be addressed in the brief

b e in g prepared by the Waterfront

A  d visory Group. I anticipate that

t h e brief will be presented to the

S t a tes for decision in the early

p a r t of the autumn session.

 3 .  The detailed comments of the

A  g riculture and Fisheries

C o m mittee on the sites proposed to b e z oned for Category A housing in m y Committee's proposition

( P .5 7/89) are shown on the

a t ta ched schedule.

I s h ould like to remind Members of t h e House, however, that the

a g r icultural value of any piece of

l a nd is only one (albeit very

i m p ortant) of many technical

c o n siderations in a study of this

t y p e. Other important factors

i n cl ude site accessibility, the

c a p acity of public utility

s e rv ices, the availability of

e d u cation, shopping and other

c o m munity services, the

e n v ironmental impact of any

d e v elopment, and, where we are

l o o king to meet a short-term need, t h e willingness of owners to sell.

M  e mbers will be aware that there i s n o longer any such thing as the p er fect housing site', and it is

n o t possible to satisfy all

i n te rests or meet every criterion

i n s electing housing sites. It

w  il l be noted that the

A  g riculture and Fisheries

C o m mittee is opposed to the

d e v elopment of nearly half of the 1 7 sites proposed for Category A h o u sing. The sites not opposed on a g r icultural grounds produce at

b e s t about 400 dwellings - a

s ig n ificant shortfall on the

e s ti mated requirement of 605

d w  elling units by 1991.

 4 .  The Planning Department does not m  ai ntain its records on a Parish

b a s is as Parish boundaries have

l it tl e relevance to Island

p l an ning. The planning and

d e v elopment statistics for the

l a st ten years on an Island-wide

b a s is are as follows -

H o u s es and Flats and Conversion s

b u n g - maison- (houses and Y  ea r  lows  ettes  flats)  Total

1 9 79 175  1 36 4 5  356 1 9 80  83 5 6 5 5  194

1 9 81  88 7 8 3 8  204

1 9 82 144 4 1 4 3 228 1 9 83 281 3 9 2 9  349 1 9 84 119 5 9 7 0  248 1 9 85 111  1 23 6 1  295 1 9 86 187 8 8 3 2  307 1 9 87 101  2 21 3 2  354 1 9 88 165  1 91 2 7  3 83 1 , 4 5 4 1,032  4 32 2,918

T he 1988 figures are subject to final c onfirmation of Housing Committee c ompletions for the year.

S C H E  D ULE.

Recommended additional Category A housing sites.

 A ddress     Z o n e A r ea Agricultu

  re  

  a c r e s &  

  F is h e r ie s  

  ( v e rg é e s ) C o m  m  it te  

 e

  re s p o n s e  

 F ields 203,252, G Z 3 .8 not

o p p o se d  

 a nd part Field 204, A P Z (8.6)

 L a Rue de Jambart,

 S t. Clement

F ields 255, 255A, A P Z 4.9 not o p p o se d

 2 56 and adjacent ( 1 1 .0 )  

 l and to south, La

 G rande Route de la

 C ote, St. Clement

F ields 263 and 263A, S L A APZ 2.9 oppos e

 L a Croix, La Rue (6 . 5 )

 a Don, Grouville

 F ield 597, part of S L A   APZ 2.8 oppos   e  

 F ield 638C and part ( 6 .3 )

g arden of Bronlyn, S t. Clement's Coast R oad, Grouville

 P art Field 690A, La S L A APZ 2.7 oppos   e  

 R oute du Champ Colin, ( 6 .1 )  

M aufant, St. Martin

 F ields 846, 846B and G  Z  7.1 not o   p p o se d  

 8 47, La Vallée de St. ( 1 6 .0 ) (F

  8 4 6 ,  

  F 8 4 6 B )  

 P ierre, St. Lawrence o p p o s e (

  F 8 4 7 )  

 F ields 865, 866 and G Z  8.7 not o   p p o se d  

 8 73, La Vallée de St. ( 1 9 .5 )

 P ierre, St. Lawrence

F ield 750, La Grande S L A APZ 0.3 not o p p o se d

 R oute de St. Laurens, ( 0 .7 )  

 L a Ville Emphrie,

 S t. Lawrence.

F ield 1243A, La G Z 4 .5 oppose G rande Route de (1 0 . 1 )

S t. Jean, St. Helier

 F ield 1533, Tower S L A APZ 1.7 oppos   e  

 R oad, St. Helier (3 . 8 )

 F ield 1311 and land S L A APZ 2.5 not o   p p o se d  

 a djacent, north of (5 . 6 )  

 H ighfield Estate, La

 R ue de la Hauteur,

 S t. Helier

 F ield 1367 (including S L A APZ 3 .8   n o t o p p o s ed

 e xisting farm buildings) ( 8 .6 )

 a nd part Field 1371, La

 R oute du Petit Clos,

 S t. Helier

 F ields 413, 415, 415A A P Z 5.8 oppos   e  

 a nd 470, La Grande (1 3 . 1 )

 R oute de St. Martin,

 F ive Oaks, St. Saviour

 F ields 769 and 770 and G  Z  1.7 not o   p p o se d  

 p art garden of Le ( 3 .8 )    

 B ernage, La Route de

 L ongueville, St. Saviour

 F ields 741 and land G Z  2.2 not o   p p o se d  

 a djacent to west, La (5 . 0 )  

 R oute de Longueville,

 S t. Saviour

 F ield 810A and part G Z  2.2 oppos   e  

 F ield 836, La Route de (5 . 0 )

 B agot, St. Saviour

 F ield 146 and part A  P Z 1.9 not o   p p o se d  

 g arden of Okenagen, ( 4 .3 )

 L a Rue du Hocq,

 S t. Clement

F ields 203, 252 and part Field 204, La R ue de Jambart,   St. Clement .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

A lthough some of this land is worked, i t is generally wet and marshy and due t o its very nature part of the area is

u nworkable. As its loss to the

a gricultural industry would be

m inimal, the Committee would not

o ppose this development.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields 255, 255A, 256 and adjacent

l and to south,  La Grande Route de la C ote, St. Clement.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

A s these fields are generally very wet a nd marshy, the Committee would not

o ppose development as the land would n ot be a serious loss to agriculture.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields 263 and 263A, La Croix, La Rue a Don, Grouville .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T hese two fields are both very good e arly productive land and form a

s ubstantial part of a young grower's h olding. The loss of these fields

w ould affect the viability of the farm h olding.

T e c hnical and Development Officer  A dditional comments 21st April, 1989

T hese two fields are both very good

e arly potato land as well as most

s uitable for outdoor tomatoes, and due t o the light soil, can be worked even

a fter heavy rainfall. It forms 4 per

c ent of the young tenant farmer's

h olding and its loss would affect the

f inancial viability of the holding, as

i t can be worked to produce two crops a year.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields  597,  part  of  Field  638C

a nd  part  garden  of  Bronlyn,  St. C lement's  Coast  Road,   Grouville .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE WILL OPPOSE

C omments 21st April, 1989

T his field forms approximately 4 per c ent of the present tenant's holding. T he field produces valuable crops,

w ith the western side being very light s andy soil, and the eastern part being m arshy; this part can only be worked d uring dry weather. Its loss to the

t enant would be detrimental to the

h olding as they can harvest two crops e ach year.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

P art Field 690A, La Route du Champ C olin, Maufant, St. Martin .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T his field is a large field capable of

p roducing a variety of agricultural

c rops and, due to its being adjacent

t o the large cattle farm, its use as a

f ield for grazing is most important to t hat holding. The cattle can be herded a long the small Parish land without

a ny disturbance to traffic. If this

f ield were lost it would restrict the

f arm quite considerably.

T e c hnical and Development Officer  A dditional comments 21st April, 1989

T his field is a large field capable of p roducing a variety of agricultural

c rops and due to its situation, the

f armer's cattle can be herded along m inor Parish roads. If this field were d eveloped its loss to the holding

w ould be considerable as it is

a pproximately 30 per cent of the

o wner's farm holding.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields 846, 846B and 847, La

V allée de St. Pierre, St. Lawrence.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES

C OMMITTEE WILL NOT OPPOSE FIELDS 846 A ND 846B

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE FIELD 847

C omments 20th March, 1989

A lthough these fields and slopes could

p roduce early crops, the owners have

n o intention of working them and they have become more and more overgrown in r ecent years. The owners are not

g rowers and it is suggested by the

A griculture and Fisheries Committee

t hat Field 846A should also be

c onsidered for development. However,

t he Committee would not agree to the

d evelopment of Field 847, as this

f ield is worked by a young

a griculturalist trying to build up a

v iable farm unit and uses this for

e arly potato production. The loss of

t his field would seriously affect the

v iability of the farm.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields 865 and 866, La Vallée d e St. Pierre, St. Lawrence.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES C OMMITTEE WILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

A s Field 865 is low-lying and marshy, i t is very difficult to work as arable

l and. However, Field 866 is good early p otato land but the Agriculture and

F isheries Committee is prepared to

s acrifice this field in order that the

o ther site could be developed. It is

r ecommended that the small southern p ortion of 865 and the pond in that

a rea should be excluded from such a

d evelopment.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 873, La Vallée de St. P ierre, St. Lawrence.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES C OMMITTEE WILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T his field has been allowed to lie

f allow for approximately 20 years, w ith weeds, including docks, being a p erennial problem. Although it could b e early potato land, the owner has

l et it go to such an extent that it

w ould take years to bring it back to a rable use. The Committee would be m ore than happy to see this site

t idied up.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 750, La Grande Route de St. L aurens, La Ville Emphrie, St.

L awrence.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T his field is too small to be of any a gricultural significance. Its

d evelopment would not be opposed.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 1243A, La Grande Route de St. J ean, St. Helier.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 21st April, 1989

T his large 12 vergées  field is

a pproximately 1/7 of the total area of t he holding, and is contiguous with

t he farm buildings. Its loss to the

f arm unit would be considerable.

T e c hnical and Development Officer  F ield 1533, Tower Road, St. Helier .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 21st April, 1989

T his field is one of the earliest

p otato fields in the Island, and

c ertainly amongst the earliest in the a rea. Although it is only 5 per cent

o f the total area of the tenant's

h olding, the income is rather greater a nd its loss to the grower concerned w ould be quite considerable as he has n o other early land with the same

p otential.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 1311 and land adjacent, north of H ighfield Estate, La Rue de la

H auteur, St. Helier .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T his site is partly an old glasshouse

n ursery, with most of the remainder

b eing a derelict overgrown poly tunnel

s ite which is not capable of producing

a ny crops at the present time. I

u nderstand the present owners are not

l ikely to either clear the site or

g row crops on the site in the

i mmediate future. The Committee would n ot oppose this site.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 1367 (including existing farm b uildings) and part Field 1371, La R oute du Petit Clos, St. Helier .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

I n order to expedite the matter

r elating to the Mourant Farm unit the C ommittee accept the need to release

t he field and would also recommend

t hat the present buildings and yard

a reas should be allowed for Category B h ousing.

F ields 413, 415, 415A and 470, La

G rande Route de St. Martin , Five Oaks, S t. Saviour.

AGRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

T hese fields form a considerable part

o f a small holding, and the loss of

t his land would seriously affect the v iability of the farm.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

A dditional comments 21st April, 1989 F ields 413/415

T his large field is approximately 10 p er cent of the tenant farmer's

h olding and very good productive

m oderately early land. Its loss would s eriously affect the viability of the

f arm.

F ields 470/415A

T his field is approximately 5 per cent

o f the present tenant's holding and

a lthough good heavy land, is easy to w ork producing a variety of crops.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ields  769  and  770  and  part

g arden  of  Le  Bernage,  La Route d e  Longueville,   St. Saviour .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

A lthough this field is sheltered, the

s outhern end can sometimes be marshy a nd wet. As this field is leased to a

g rower in St. Martin, its loss to the

f arm unit would be negligible. In the

c ircumstances the Committee would not

o ppose its development.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 741 and land adjacent to west, L a Route de Longueville, St. Saviour.

AGRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

B oth of these fields are low-lying,

m arshy meadows with a glasshouse and

o utdoor nursery to the east. The

m eadows are of minimal agricultural

v alue as arable land and although the

n ursery is a flourishing business, a

n ew nursery with poly tunnels can be

e stablished elsewhere on the Island

w ithout seriously affecting the

p resent owner's livelihood. The

A griculture and Fisheries Committee

w ould not oppose these fields for

d evelopment of Category A housing.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield 810A and part Field 836, La R oute de Bagot, St. Saviour .

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL OPPOSE

C omments 21st April, 1989

T he loss of Field 810A in particular w ould have serious repercussions in t he viability of the adjacent small

h olding, this field being good

p roductive potato land capable of

b eing harvested fairly early in the

s eason. It is slightly marshy on the w estern boundary.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

F ield  146  and  part  garden  of

O kenagen,  La  Rue  du  Hocq,  St. C lement.

A GRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE W ILL NOT OPPOSE

C omments 20th March, 1989

A lthough this field could be early p otato land it has not been used as s uch for many years as its shape

p recludes its being worked by large

a gricultural machinery, and it has

t herefore been kept for hay crops for s everal years. As it is not part of a

f arm holding its loss to the industry w ould be negligible. The Committee w ould not oppose development of this l and.

T e c hnical and Development Officer

. ''  

Legislation in relation to flying freeholds. Questions and answers.

Deputy Corrie Stein of Grouville

asked Deputy Edgar John Becquet of Trinity , President of the Legislation Committee, the following question -

  Will the President inform the States  w hen, after years of trying to alter

 t he legal position in relation to

 f lying freeholds, he expects the

 n ecessary legislation to be

 a vailable?''

The President of the Legislation Committee replied as follows -

  My Committee was asked by the

 H ousing Committee whether it would be  p repared to promote the necessary

 l egislation to overcome the problems

 a ssociated with the sale of flats in

 p erpetuity (referred to in the

 q uestion as flying freeholds').

S ince that time, a great deal of work h as been undertaken by the Attorney G eneral, members of his staff and

o thers and by my Committee, in the p reparation of the legislation

r equired to deal with what is

r ecognised as being an extremely

c omplicated legal matter.

A first draft was produced and was

r eferred to the Jersey Law Society. A n umber of very constructive comments w ere made as a result of which a small g roup of lawyers chaired by the

A ttorney General was formed. It was d ecided to adapt the French Loi du 10 j uillet 1965 on this subject which is m uch closer to the Jersey system of

c onveyancing than its English

e quivalent. A number of drafting

m eetings have been held in recent

m onths and indeed the group is meeting a gain this afternoon. My Committee is g lad to take this opportunity of

e xpressing its gratitude to the

A ttorney General and the lawyers

c oncerned.

I am pleased to be able to inform the H ouse that the draft of the new Law is a pproaching completion. It is

e nvisaged that the legislation should b e ready for consideration by the

S tates not later than the end of

1 989.''

Sites for housing. Statement.

The President of the Policy and

Resources Committee made a statement in the following terms -

  The Policy and Resources Committee

 s hares with the Housing and Island

 D evelopment Committees a determination  t o tackle the problem of finding sites

o n which to construct Category A

 h ousing sufficient to meet the current

 a nd foreseeable need to house

 a dequately the native young people of

 t his Island. At the same time, the

 C ommittee shares the concern expressed

 b y many at the proposed further

 i ncursions into the countryside

 i nvolving the loss of some good

 a gricultural land.

I n the light of this, the Policy and

R esources Committee believes that

u rgent action is required to implement t he policy enunciated in the Island