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STATES MINUTES 2 8 t h S e ptember 1993
T HE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 28th September 1993 at 9.30 a.m. under t h e Presidency of the Bailiff ,
S i r P eter Crill, C.B.E.
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His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor, Air Marshal Sir John Sutton, K.C.B.,
w a s p r e sent.
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All Members were present with the exception of -
S enator Bernard Thomas Binnington - out of t he Island.
S enator Corrie Stein - out of the Island.
T erence Augustine Le Sueur, Deputy of St. H elier - out of the Island.
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P r a y e rs
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The Very Reverend Canon J.N. Seaford, B.A., Dip. Theol., Dean of Jersey - welcome.
The Bailiff , on behalf of the Members of the States, welcomed the newly appointed Dean, The Very Reverend Canon John N. Seaford, B.A., Dip. Theol.
The Bailiff also extended thanks to The Reverend Barry Giles, the Dean Substitute.
Visitors - welcome
The Bailiff welcomed to the States Mr. D. Dumaresque B.A., M.A., M.H.A., a Member of the Newfoundland and Labrador (Eagle River District) House of Assembly, who was visiting the Island together with his wife.
The Bailiff also welcomed to the States members of the Jersey Federation of the Women's Institute who were members of the Committee of Public Affairs and Environment within the Institute.
Committee of Inquiry into circumstances leading to the release from contract of former Chief Executive Officer of Sport, Leisure and Recreation Department.
The Bailiff made a statement in the following terms -
The States will recall that, on 10th
A ugust 1993, they agreed to appoint a
C ommittee of Inquiry under Article 30 of
t he States of Jersey Law 1966 to inquire
i nto the circumstances which led to Miss
M ary Frances Alexander, Chief Executive
O fficer of the Sport, Leisure and
R ecreation Department, being released from h er contract of employment, and the reasons f or agreeing to the settlement reached and
t o report thereon to the States.
T he Committee has given very full
c onsideration to the conduct of the
I nquiry, and, following advice received,
h as decided as far as possible to conduct
t he proceedings in accordance with six
p rinciples enunciated by the Royal
C ommission on Tribunals of Inquiry under
L ord Justice Salmon which reported in 1966. T his information was communicated in a
p ublic statement on 31st August 1993. In
t hese circumstances the Committee has
a dvised the Sport, Leisure and Recreation
C ommittee, the Education Committee and the E stablishment Committee that they should
o btain legal advice regarding the evidence
t hat they present to the Inquiry. As is
n ormal practice, the Committees will be
a dvised by the Law Officers' Department and m ay be represented by an officer of that
D epartment before the Committee of Inquiry. T he Committee of Inquiry is similarly
e ntitled to advice from the Law Officers,
b ut such an arrangement might give rise to
a conflict of interests. Therefore, in
o rder to avoid any such conflict arising,
t he Committee has decided that it should
a ppoint independent legal counsel. As a
C ommittee of the States, the Committee of
I nquiry is bound by Article 20 of the
P ublic Finances (Administration) (Jersey) L aw 1967, as amended, and cannot employ c ounsel until the States have voted the
n ecessary funds.
T he Committee has also agreed, in
a ccordance with the six principles referred t o earlier, to meet the reasonable costs of w itnesses who might be prejudicially
a ffected by the proceedings to the extent
t hat these costs are incurred on matters
f alling within the parameters of the
I nquiry, as determined by the Committee's l egal adviser. Such witnesses are likely to b e few in number, and, in the main, would b e represented by officers of the Law
O fficers Department who will not be
c harging for their services. However, those k ey witnesses (such as Miss Alexander
h erself) who will not be so represented,
w ill incur legal costs, and the Committee
c onsiders that these costs should be borne b y the public, within the limits defined
e arlier, so as to ensure the essential
f airness of the proceedings to all
c oncerned.
I n order to concentrate the hearings into
a s short a space of time as possible, the
I nquiry will require transcripts to be
p repared at the end of each sitting,
n ecessitating the appointment of highly
t rained stenographers for a limited period. T hese services are not available locally
a nd the Committee is seeking to second a t eam of two stenographers with Computer A ided Transcription skills for one week to c arry out the task.
A s I have said on 31st August 1993,
t he Committee issued a full statement of
t he manner in which it proposed to conduct t he Inquiry. It had already began to
c ollect written evidence from the parties
c oncerned and this process continues. Some w ritten evidence has already been provided b y States Departments and, before she went
o n annual leave, Crown Advocate S.C.
N icolle was able to put together some of
t he evidence of the Committees that she is a dvising. Because of leave and other
p ressing personal and commercial
c ommitments, Advocate P. de C. Mourant, a cting on behalf of Miss Alexander,
r equested that proceedings be delayed so
t hat he could prepare the evidence to be
p resented by Miss Alexander. Until all the r elevant written evidence has been received a nd considered by the Committee it cannot u sefully proceed to hear oral evidence.
T he Committee of Inquiry has now held
f our meetings and has a clear idea of its
w ay forward. However, as was mentioned
e arlier, the Committee is bound by the
P ublic Finances (Administration) (Jersey)
L aw 1967 and cannot incur expenses without b eing granted a vote of credit by the
S tates. In order to obtain such a vote of
c redit it is required to produce an
e stimate of the costs that it is likely to
i ncur, and the process of presenting these
e stimates is under way. To assist the
C ommittee in preparing its estimates, I
h ave arranged for a local advocate to
e xamine the papers provided to date, with a v iew to advising on the potential scope of
t he Inquiry and the costs of legal
r epresentation. It is intended that this
a dvocate will be appointed as the
C ommittee's legal adviser, once the States
h ave voted the necessary funds.
B ecause of the delays in receiving all
t he written submissions, the absence from
t he Island of some members of the
C ommittee, the commitments of Advocate
M ourant, the absence on leave of Advocate
N icolle and the financial considerations,
t he original date upon which the Committee
h ad hoped to start the Inquiry - 15th
S eptember 1993 - had already been changed, a s the statement of 31st August disclosed.
U ntil the States have voted the necessary
f unds under the Public Finances
( Administration) (Jersey) Law 1966, as
a mended, the Committee cannot set a new
t imetable for its hearings, and it will be
p resenting a request for an additional Vote
o f Credit at the Supply Day on 26th October
1 993. The Committee wishes to make it clear t hat its decision about when to start the
h earings has not been influenced by the
d ates of the forthcoming Public Elections.
A ccordingly, while the Committee would have p referred, and was ready, to proceed with
t he Inquiry earlier, circumstances beyond
i ts control have prevented it from doing
s o.''
Subordinate legislation tabled
The following enactments were laid before the States, namely -
1 . Health Insurance (Pharmaceutical
B e n efit) (General Provisions)
( A m endment No. 2) (Jersey) Order 1993. R & O 8577.
2 . Cremation (Fees) (Jersey) Order 1 993. R & O 8578.
3 . Ancillary Dental Workers
( R e gistration) (Fees) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 3. R & O 8579.
4 . Nursing Agencies (General
P r o visions) (Amendment No. 9) (Jersey) O rd er 1993. R & O 8580.
5 . Old Persons's Homes
( R e gistration) (Fees) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 3. R & O 8581.
6 . Establishments for Massage or
S p e cial Treatment (Licence Fees) ( J er sey) Order 1993. R & O 8582.
7 . Food and Drugs (Ice-Cream Stalls
e t c. ) (Amendment No. 14) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 3. R & O 8583.
8 . Import and Export (Control)
( A m endment) (Jersey) Order 1993. R & O 8 5 8 4.
9 . Tourism (General Provisions)
( A m endment No. 2) (Jersey) Order 1993. R & O 8585.
1 0. Diseases of Animals (Importation
o f L ive Fish) (Amendment) (Jersey)
O rd er 1993. R & O 8586.
1 1. Miscellaneous Diseases of
A n imals (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) O rder 1993. R & O 8587.
1 2. Road Racing (Motor Vehicle R a l ly) (Jersey) Order 1993.
R & O 8588.
1 3. Road Traffic ( Grouville )
( A m endment No. 9) (Jersey) Order 1993. R & O 8589.
1 4. Prison (Amendment No. 12)
( J er sey) Rules 1993. R & O 8590.
Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. R.C.28/93
The Defence Committee, by Act dated 9th September 1993, presented to the States a report on the operation of the the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board for the period 1st May to 31st December 1992.
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Jersey Dental Scheme. R.C.29/93
The Social Security Committee, by Act dated 11th August 1993, presented to the States a report on the operation of the Jersey Dental Scheme for the period 1st November 1991 to 31st December 1992.
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Welfare benefits: revised rates from 1st October 1993. R.C.30.93
The Finance and Economics Committee, by Act dated 20th September 1993, presented to the States a report setting out the revised rates of welfare benefit from 1st October 1993.
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
States of Jersey Police Force: report for 1992
The Defence Committee, by Act dated 9th September 1993, presented to the States a report on the States of Jersey Police Force for the
year 1992.
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Liberation 50th Anniversary celebrations - sculpture. P.141/93
The Occupation and Liberation Committee, by Act dated 21st September 1993, presented a report to the States on the sculpture for the Liberation 50th Anniversary celebrations (P.123/93).
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Colomberie House, St. Helier - purchase. P.142/93
The Island Development Committee, by Act dated 16th September 1993, presented to the States a revised report on the purchase of Colomberie House, st. Helier (P.118/93).
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Agricultural and horticultural industry - future policy. Comments. P.143/93
The Finance and Economics and Policy and Resources Committees, by Acts dated
6th and 21st September 1993, respectively, presented to the States their comments on the agricultural and horticultural industry - future policy. (P.125/93).
Matters noted - land transactions
THE STATES noted Acts of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 27th August, 6th and 20th September 1993, showing that in pursuance of Standing Orders relating to certain
transactions in land, the Committee had
approved -
( a) as recommended by the Public
H ea lth Committee, the renewal of the
l e as e from Mrs. Doris May Perchard, née S y m ons, of the three-bedroomed property D o rita, Manor Park Road, St. Helier,
f o r a period of one year from 1st
A u gust 1993, at an annual rent of
£7 , 614;
( b) as recommended by the Public
S e rvices Committee, the lease from Mr. A n ley John Dorey Richardson of a
s to r age/packing shed at Les Tihelles,
S t . Ouen, for a further period of three
y e a rs with effect from 1st April 1993,
a t r ents of £3,100, £3,200 and £3,300
f o r each successive year of the a g r eement, to be paid yearly in a d v ance;
( c) as recommended by the Tourism
C o m mittee, the lease to Advocate David
F i s her Le Quesne, executor of the late
M r s. Bridget Carré, née Kelly, of
C o l leen's Café, Grève de Lecq, St.
O u en, for a period of one year from
2 5 t h December 1992 until 24th December 1 9 9 3, at an annual rent of £3,000 to be
p a id six-monthly in advance;
( d) as recommended by the Sport, Leisure a n d Recreation Committee, the purchase f ro m Mr. Graham Douglas Thorne of
a p p roximately 2.35 vergées of land in
F i e ld 512, St. Brelade, for the sum of
£1 1,750, with the Committee being
r e sp onsible for all reasonable legal
c o s ts involved;
( e) as recommended by the Sport, Leisure a n d Recreation Committee, the purchase f ro m Mrs. Lillian May Harlow, née
F o s sey, of approximately 0.7 vergées of l a nd in Field 541, St. Brelade, for the
s u m of £3,500, plus compensation in the s u m of £500, with the Committee being r e sp onsible for all reasonable legal
c o s ts involved;
( f) as recommended by the Harbours and
A ir port Committee, the passing of a
c o n trat de bornement between the public
o f t he Island as owners of No. 15 Gorey
P i e r, St. Martin, and Mr. Deryk Anthony H ai thwaite and Mrs. Diana Margaret
H ai thwaite, née Eastwick, owners of
N o . 14 Gorey Pier, St. Martin , in order
t o -
1 . declare party ownership of the g ab l e c himneys;
2 . establish rights of access on to
p u b l ic property to repair exposed p ar t s o f the east gable;
3 . agree that the window on the rear
o f N o . 14 should remain as
es t a b li shed;
( g) as recommended by the Public Services C o m mittee, the purchase from Mr. Pierre
A n thoine Guiton and Mrs.Eugenie
C l e mentine Modestine Guiton, née
B e s nard, of No. 9 Francis Street/43
C o l omberie, St. Helier, required for
r o a d improvement purposes for the sum
o f £ 232,250, with the Committee being
r e sp onsible for the payment of legal
f e es , and the resale to Mr. Pierre
A n thoine Guiton and Mrs. Eugenie
C l e mentine Modestine Guiton, née
B e s nard, of the area of the properties
n o t required for the intended road
i m p rovement scheme in the area (and
m ea suring approximately 600 square feet i n a rea) for an agreed consideration of
£1 5 ,000, once demolition of the
p roperties had been completed;
( h) as recommended by the Island
D ev elopment Committee, the assignment
o f t he lease of 2½ Anley Street, St.
H el ier, from Angora Agencies Limited to S h a rleen Investments Limited, for the
p e r iod 29th September 1992 to 23rd June 1 9 9 5, the current annual rental being
£1 0 ,562;
( i) as recommended by the Public Services
C o m mittee, the purchase from Mr. Hedley J o h n du Val of 4,044 square feet of
l a nd situated in Field 371, St. John,
f o r a consideration of £1 a square
f o o t, plus an additional sum of £1,500
i n r espect of the removal of the square
f ro m the corner of that field (which
m ad e the field more difficult to work
a n d reduced its value) together with
r e as onable legal fees and the cost of
a c c ommodation works.
( j) as recommended by the Public Services C o m mittee, the purchase from Miss
A n thea Vanessa Weaver, of 2,269 square f e et of land in Field 872, Trinity ,
r e q uired for the construction of a
p u m ping station as part of the Trinity
P h a se II Foul Sewer Extension, for a
c o n sideration of £2,269, plus the
p a y ment of all legal costs involved;
( k) as recommended by the Public Health C o m mittee, the lease from Mrs. Clara A ls tadt, née Mayer, of the one-
b e d roomed flat, 5 Theresa Court, Old S t . John's Road, St. Helier for a
p e r iod of one year from 1st September
1 9 9 3, at an annual rent of £6,916;
( l) as recommended by the Public Health
C o m mittee, the lease from the Trustees
o f t he Jersey Methodist Church of the
t h re e-bedroomed property, Sion Chapel H o use, Sion, St. John, for a period of
o n e year from 1st September 1993, with
a n o ption to renew for a further
p e r iod, at an annual rent of £8,320;
( m) as recommended by the Public Health C o m mittee, the assignment of the
u n e xpired portion of the sub-lease on
t h e property 78 New Street, St. Helier, b e tw een Groet Investments and Mr.
J u v enal Pestana de Franca to Indian
C o t tage Restaurant Limited;
( n) as recommended by the Public Health C o m mittee, the assignment of the
u n e xpired portion of the lease for No.
1 6 Burrard Street, St. Helier from
C a t hay Enterprises Limited to Park
A ntiques Limited, the lease to run to
2 5 t h March 1998, at an annual rental of
£7 , 482, subject to review on 25th March
1 9 9 5, in line with the Jersey Cost of
L i v ing index;
( o) as recommended by the Public Health C o m mittee, the lease to Park Antiques L i m ited of the property 14 Burrard
S t re et, St. Helier, from 1st June 1993
t o 2 5th March 1998, at an annual rent
o f £ 5,948;
( p) as recommended by the Harbours and A irport Committee, the lease to Star
T r a vel Limited of 514 square feet of
o f fi ce accommodation on the first floor
o f t he Freight Terminal at Jersey
A ir port (Lettings B130 and B131) for a p e r iod of three years commencing 1st
S e p tember 1993 at an annual rent of
£4 , 626, subject to annual review;
( q) as recommended by the Housing
C o m mittee, the sale of an area of land m ea suring 1,205 square feet at Field
1 3 1 1, St. Helier , to Mr. Pietro Ranise
a n d Mrs. Jane Bethia Ranise, née
P a r ker, for the sum of £2,410, with Mr. a n d Mrs. Ranise being responsible for a l l legal costs involved. The
t ra n saction would be subject to the f o ll owing conditions - there would be a r e st riction of any building taking
p l ac e on the land, the transfer was not
t o t ake place until after the proposed
h o u sing development at Field 1311 had b e e n completed and an assurance was to b e m ade that the width of the access
r o a d to the housing estate was
a c c eptable;
( r) as recommended by the Public
H ea lth Committee, the renewal of the
l e as es from Macpor Development Company L i m ited of the one-bedromed properties,
F l a ts 1 and 6, 29 Midvale Road, St.
H el ier, for a period of one year from
1 s t October 1993, at annual rents of
£6 , 013.46 and £4,659.75, respectively,
p l u s an annual sum for water rates to
b e p aid quarterly in advance, and with
a n o ption to extend the leases for a
f u rt her year;
( s) as recommended by the Island
D ev elopment Committee, the granting to M r . Dennis Roy Mollet and Mrs. Joyce
M a ry Mollet, née Syvret, of service and a c c ess rights for two new dwellings in
t h e rear garden of their property
G re enhaven, La Petite Route des
M ie lles, St. Brelade, for a total
p ayment of £2,500, representing £1,250 f o r each dwelling, with Mr. and Mrs.
M o llet being responsible for all legal
f e es , without prejudice;
( t) as recommended by the Public
S e r vices Committee, the purchase from t h e Crown and the tenants of Le Marais à l a Cocque of 2,400 square feet of
l a nd at Fauvic Pumping Station, for a
c o n sideration of £2,400, plus the
p a y ment of all legal costs involved in
t h e transaction.
Matters noted - financial transactions
THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 6th September 1993, showing that in pursuance of Rule 5 of the
Public Finances (General) (Jersey) Rules 1967,
as amended, the Committee had noted that -
( a) the Public Health Committee had a c c epted the lowest of five tenders,
n a m ely that submitted by C.A. Mauger L i m ited, in the sum of £1,329,626 for t h e refurbishment and extension of
W e staway Court, St. Helier ;
( b) the Housing Committee had accepted the l o w est of 11 tenders, namely that
s u b mitted by A.C. Mauger and Son
( S u nwin) Limited in the sum of
£5 , 097,976 in a contract period of 86
w ee ks to provide 63 dwellings,
c o m prising Phases I and II of the
S t a tes Loan development at Field 1243A, S t . Helier.
Matters lodged
The following subjects were lodged au Greffe'' -
1 . Draft Building Loans
( M iscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment N o . 23) (Jersey) Regulations 199 .
P . 1 44/93.
P r e sented by the Housing
C o m mittee.
2 . Draft Public Employees
( R e tirement) (Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) L a w 199 . P.145/93.
P r e sented by the Establishment
C o m mittee.
3 . Draft Public Employees
( C o ntributory Retirement Scheme) (New M e mbers) (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) R e g ulations 199 . P.146/93.
P r e sented by the Establishment
C o m mittee.
4 . Convention on Social Security
b e tw een the United Kingdom and Cyprus: A m endments. P.147/93.
P r e sented by the Social Security
C o m mittee.
5 . Draft Prison (Amendment No. 3) ( J er sey) Law 199 . P.148/93.
P r e sented by the Prison Board.
6 . Draft Public Holidays and Bank
H o lidays (Jersey) Act 199 . P.149/93. P r e sented by the Legislation
C o m mittee.
7 . Draft Criminal Justice (Young
O ff enders) (Jersey) Law 199 (P.138/93): a m e ndment. P.150/93.
P r e sented by the Legislation
C o m mittee.
8 . Open government: freedom of
i n fo rmation. P.151/93.
P r e sented by Deputy S. Syvret of S t . Helier.
L odged on 31st August 1993
1 . Draft Housing (General
P r o visions) (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) R e g ulations 199 . P.133/93.
P r e sented by the Housing
C o m mittee.
2 . Draft Protection of Children ( J er sey) Law 199 . P.134.93. P r e sented by the Legislation C o m mittee.
3 . Field 846B and part 847, St.
L a w rence: rezoning. P.135/93. P r e sented by the Island
D ev elopment Committee.
L odged on 7th September 1993
1 . Public Services Committee:
S u p port for Policies. P.136/93.
P r e sented by the Public Services C o m mittee.
2 . Draft Health Insurance (Medical
B e n efit) (Amendment No. 42) (Jersey) R e g ulations 199 . P.137/93.
P r e sented by the Social Security
C o m mittee.
L odged on 14th September 1993
1 . Draft Criminal Justice (Young
O ff enders) (Jersey) Law 199 . P.138/93. P r e sented by the Legislation
C o m mittee.
2 . Draft Food and Drugs (Amendment N o . 2) (Jersey) Law 199 . P.139/93. P r e sented by the Public Health
C o m mittee.
3 . Draft Licensing (Licence Fees)
( J er sey) Regulations 199 . P.140/93. P r e sented by the Tourism
C o m mittee.
Arrangement of Public Business for the present Sitting
THE STATES confirmed that the following subjects lodged au Greffe'' should be considered at the present Sitting -
P ublic Services Committee: Support for P olicies. P.136/93.
L odged: 7th September 1993.
P ublic Services Committee.
D raft Housing (General Provisions)
( Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Regulations 1 99 . P.133/93.
L odged: 31st August 1993.
H ousing Committee.
D raft Health Insurance
( Medical Benefit) (Amendment No. 42) ( Jersey) Regulations 199 . P.137/93.
L odged: 7th September 1993.
S ocial Security Committee.
D raft Licensing (Licence
F ees) (Jersey) Regulations 199 . P.140/93. L odged: 14th September 1993.
T ourism Committee.
Arrangement of Public Business for the next Sitting on 12th October 1993
THE STATES confirmed that the following subjects lodged au Greffe'' should be considered at the
next Sitting on 12th October 1993 -
S urgical and medical treatment in the U nited Kingdom: fund. P.50/93.
L odged: 13th April 1993.
D eputy S.M. Baudains of St. Helier .
D raft Building Loans
( Amendment No. 12) (Jersey) Law 199 . P .129/93.
L odged: 24th August 1993.
H ousing Committee.
D raft Protection of Children (Jersey) L aw 199 . P.134/93.
L odged: 31st August 1993.
L egislation Committee.
D raft Criminal Justice (Young
O ffenders) (Jersey) Law 199 . P.138/93. L odged: 14th September 1993.
L egislation Committee.
D raft Criminal Justice (Young
O ffenders) (Jersey) Law 199 (P.138/93): a mendment. P.150/93.
L odged: 28th September 1993.
L egislation Committee.
D raft Prison (Amendment No. 3) ( Jersey) Law 199 . P.148/93.
L odged: 28th September 1993. P rison Board.
D raft Food and Drugs (Amendment N o. 2) (Jersey) Law 199 . P.139/93. L odged: 14th September 1993.
P ublic Health Committee.
D raft Building Loans (Miscellaneous
P rovisions) (Amendment No. 23) (Jersey) R egulations 199 . P.144/93.
H ousing Committee.
D raft Public Employees (Retirement) ( Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) Law
1 99 . P.145/93.
E stablishment Committee.
D raft Public Employees (Contributory
R etirement Scheme) (New Members) (Amendment N o. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 199 . P.146/93.
E stablishment Committee.
C onvention on Social Security between t he United Kingdom and Cyprus:
A mendments. P.147/93.
S ocial Security Committee.
D raft Public Holidays and Bank
H olidays (Jersey) Act 199 . P.149/93. L egislation Committee.
Lump-sum payments made to public
employees. Question and Answer (Tape No. 202).
Deputy Alan Payn Bree of Grouville asked the President of the Establishment Committee the following question -
Will the President kindly inform the
S tates of the amounts of lump-sum payments
( excluding such lump-sum payments as are
m ade on condition of the acceptance of a
r educed pension from the Public Employees
P ension Fund) made to Public Employees who a ccepted early retirement during the period
1 st January 1990 to date, with an
i ndication of the votes from which those
p ayments were made?''
The President of the Establishment Committee replied as follows -
Public Employees who are members of PECRS r etire early for two reasons. They leave
d ue to ill-health or they leave under the
p rovisions of the Voluntary Early
R etirement (VER) arrangements approved by
t he States. I can confirm that in no case
h ave lump sum payments been made from the
P ension Fund other than in accordance with
t he provisions of the Scheme.
I n the years 1990/91/92, 62 members retired f rom PECRS due to ill-health such as
c arcinoma, heart disease, osteo arthritis
a nd mental illness. Over the same period 22 m embers of the Scheme died in service.
T hose retiring due to long term ill-health,
m any of whom would have received
e nhancement to their pensions due to the
e arly curtailment of their working lives,
r eceived full salary for up to six months
a nd up to six months at half salary.
C overing long-term and other shorter term
a bsences due to ill-health with either
o vertime or temporary staff adds to the
p ublic sector paybill, and the States
P ersonnel Department is presently reviewing p olicies and practices in order to maximise
a ttendance. This is not an attempt to clamp d own on employees who are genuinely ill, w ho will continue to be treated fairly and
r easonably, but to reduce the number and
d uration of absences which occur. Members m ay be surprised to learn that in 1992
a lone, States Committees spent £262,000 t hrough employment agencies alone on
t emporary cover for permanent staff.
V oluntary Early Retirement provisions
i nclude early payment of benefit to members
o f the PECRS. Employees must be at least 50 y ears of age and ineligible for immediate
p ension under the Scheme. They may have v olunteered to retire -
( i) because their post is no longer needed;
o r
( ii) t o make possible the continued
em p l o yment of other members of st a ff w hose positions are to be
ab o l i sh ed; or
( iii) in the interests of improved ef f ic i e ncy.
My Committee introduced the arrangements to d eal with situations such as amalgamation
o f Departments, improvements in the
o rganisation of Departments, the
i ntroduction of new technology and working
p ractices which meant that some employees
h ave become surplus to requirements and
s ince 1991 24 employees have taken
v oluntary early retirement. In addition to
p ayments made under the VER arrangements 13
o f these employees received lump sum
p ayments totalling £263,436. Of this sum
£ 79,181 was paid from the Establishment
C ommittees ex-gratia Vote No: 5130. The
r emainder was paid from the budgets of
a dministering Committees. These sums should b e balanced against annual savings in the
P ublic Sector paybill in excess of £270,000
t hat have been achieved through non-
r eplacement of employees who have taken
v oluntary early retirement. The number of
c ases and amounts should be viewed in the
c ontext of a scheme which, at the end of
1 992, had 5052 active members, 1447
p ensioners, widows, children and deferred
p ensioners and funds in excess of 250
m illion pounds.
T hese policies reflect the desire of the
S tates to be a progressive employer.
R esponse to change should be a constant f eature of any large organisation and VER i s but one string to our bow in
r estructuring and improving efficiency in
t he public sector.
V ER has produced manpower and
r evenue expenditure savings through the
n on-replacement of employees,
r edistribution of functions to other
e mployees, replacement of full time
e mployees with part timers and the
t ransfer of services from the public to
p rivate sectors. The VER policy is a
n ecessary management tool and will continue t o play an important part, together with
t he redundancy policy, in reducing the
o verall size and cost of the public sector.
W ith public sector pay accounting for over
5 0 per cent of States' annual revenue
e xpenditure, all Committees need to
r eappraise regularly the range and level of
s ervices which they provide and determine
w here manpower reductions and improvements i n efficiency can be expected to produce a
m ore cost effective service to the public.
C ommittees must take a far more corporate
v iew in the future. Pooling of resources
w ill lead to savings and some Committees
m ust be prepared to adapt their own needs
f or the overall good of the States.''
Scaffolding at the Hue Street site. Question and answer (Tape No. 202).
The Connétable of St. Helier asked the President of the Island Development Committee the following question -
Will the President inform the House of t he total cost to the Island of the
s caffolding erected at the site in Hue
S treet, St. Helier, which has been taken
o ver by Save Jersey's Heritage?''
The President of the Island Development Committee replied as follows -
Following an approach from the Connétable
o f St. Helier , the Committee erected
s caffolding in June 1989 to safeguard the
p ublic following the purchase by the Island
o f the last property, 9 Hue Street. The
c ost of erecting the scaffolding and
p rotective sheeting was £4,378. The cost of
s caffolding hire was met by the Committee
f rom its capital vote for servicing of land
f rom July 1989 to February 1992, when the
H ue Street properties were leased to Save
J ersey's Heritage. This amounted to a
f urther £17,526. Since that time the cost
f rom February 1992 to July 1992 has been
r echarged to Save Jersey's Heritage, and no f urther payments have been or will be made.
S ave Jersey's Heritage have completed
t he refurbishment of one property, the
l ease of which has been acquired by a
S tates' Loan purchaser with the aid of the H ousing Committee, and it is understood n egotiations are taking place concerning t he remaining properties.''
States' rent arrears. Questions and answers (Tape No. 202).
The Connétable of St. Helier asked the President of the Housing Committee the following questions -
1. W ill the President say how much
re n t i s in arrears from States'
re n t e d property?
2 . Without naming the tenants, what is the l a rg est amount owed by any individual
t e na nt?
3 . What action is taken by the Committee t o r etrieve outstanding rent?
4 . What is the total number of cases where r e n t arrears are in excess of one
m o nth?''
The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows -
1. A s at the rent week ending 18th
S e p te m ber, 1993, the total amount
o f a rr e ars from States' rented
p ro p e r ty was £358,784. This figure is 3 . 6 p er cent of the annual rent
ro l l o f £9.9M. Whilst it is a
fi g u re which my Committee takes v er y se riously, it does compare
fa v o u r ably with other local
au t h o r ities in the United Kingdom an d i s of the same order as the
ar r e a rs figure in Guernsey.
2 . The highest amount owed by an
i n d ividual tenant is £5,209. However,
t h er e are highly individual and
e x c eptional circumstances appertaining t o t his particular individual, who has
d e c lared himself en desastre.
G en erally, 51 per cent of the total
a r re ars are owed by just 101 tenants,
e a c h of whom owe in excess of £1,000. T h e majority of these are families
( in c luding many single parent families) w h o are on low incomes and have
p a r ticular problems in coping with
t h ei r financial affairs. Many, if not
a l l of them, are inadequate families
w h o are well known to the other Social a n d Parish Services in the Island.
3 . The Committee takes the issue of rent a r re ars very seriously indeed and has a f u ll -time rent arrears officer, whose
j o b it is to monitor and chase up rent
a r re ars. This officer endeavours at an e a rl y stage to come to an agreement
w it h the tenant for repayment of the
a r re ars within a reasonable timescale. I f th e tenant is receiving welfare,
a r ra ngements can be made, in some
c a s es, to have the rent paid to the
D ep artment direct by the Parish.
I f tenants in arrears are unco-operative,
l egal proceedings in the Petty Debts Court
n ormally follow. Another course open to my C ommittee is eviction. However, if this
c ourse is likely to render the family
h omeless, then the Committee would almost c ertainly be required to rehouse the
f amily, especially where children are
i nvolved. In such circumstances it hardly
r epresents an effective remedy.
A staff organisation change already in
p rogress within the Housing Department is i ntended to increase the effort to reduce
t enant arrears. Those officers who have the r esponsibility for dealing with States'
t enants on a daily basis and who visit the
e states constantly, will assume
r esponsibility for dealing with the issue
o f rent arrears. This will involve not
s imply pursuing payment of arrears from
t enants who have no adequate explanation f or being in arrears, but also counselling
a nd helping those tenants who are in
a rrears for more understandable reasons,
s uch as poor management of their weekly b udget, severe financial difficulties
a rising from other sources, etc.
4 . There are currently 545 tenants who
t e ch nically have rent arrears in excess
o f o ne month's rent. However, this
f ig u re includes some tenants who pay by m o nthly standing order, whose payment m ay well be in the pipeline'. Delays
o f t his nature will shortly be overcome
b y the replacement of standing orders
b y direct debits. A more meaningful
f ig u re to take at this stage is those
w h o are seven weeks in arrears and this i s 4 16 tenants owing £327,000.''
Continental Hotel site and the tendering procedure generally. Questions and answers (Tape No. 202).
The Connétable of St. Helier asked the President of the Housing Committee the following questions -
1. R eferring to the former
C o n ti n ental Hotel site, will the
P re s i d ent explain what grounds
ex i s t f or the Committee to believe th a t l o cal contractors are not
co m p e titive?
2 . If the cost of building locally is p e r ceived as too high, does the C o m mittee accept some of the
r e sp onsibility for creating this
s it u ation?
3 . Does the Committee check whether
t e nd ers from The Jersey Electricity
C o m pany, The Jersey New Waterworks
C o m pany and the Jersey Gas Company are c o m petitive?
4 . If so, how is this done?
5 . Does the President agree that if costs
a r e to be reduced, then expectations
m u st be lowered and should apply to all C o m mittees who commission work?
6 . Referring particularly to the former
C o n tinental Hotel site development and p a y ment to United Kingdom tenderers, t h e actual cost of producing a tender
f o r a contract of this size is in the
o r d er of £3,500-£4,000 maximum -
( i) how was the value of the payment
o f £ 1 0 ,000 established?
( ii ) was a quantity surveyor or similar p ro f e s sional consulted?
( ii i) if not, who was qualified to
m a k e t h e decision that £10,000 w a s a re a sonable figure?
( iv ) to ensure that tenders were
ac t u a ll y produced by the United K i n g d om companies, were their p ri c e d bills of quantities called fo r ?
( v ) if it could be proved that one of
th e U n ited Kingdom tenders was not g en u i n e, would the fee be
re c o v e red?
( v i) does the President think that his ac t io n in introducing United
K i n g d om tenders made any
d if fe r e nce in the thought process
o f th e local tenderers?
( v ii ) in relation to inviting
te n d e r s f rom United Kingdom co n t r a c to rs, does it not cause th e P re s i dent some concern
th a t b o t h large and small
lo c a l c o n tractors are going
o u t o f b u siness?''
The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows -
1. T he Committee has evidence to
su g g e s t that for small and medium si z e d b uilding contracts with
v al u e s up to about £4M., local
co n t r a ctors are competitive.
H o w e v er, for larger, more complex p ro j e c ts, it is my Committee's
v ie w t hat there are very few local
co n t r a ctors with the necessary
ex p e r i ence and expertise to create a t ru l y competitive tendering
si tu a t io n. A good example of this
w a s t h e tender for the Clos du
F o rt P hase II project, where there
w a s £ 8 00,000 difference between
th e p ri ces submitted by the lowest an d s e cond lowest contractor.
2 . My Committee does not accept any
r e sp onsibility for the situation I have
d e s cribed in answer to the last
q u e stion. I don't think at this stage
i t w ould be prudent of me to allocate
r e sp onsibility at all. Members are
a w a re that the Finance and Economics
C o m mittee has set up a Working Party
u n d er the Chairmanship of Senator Tony C h i nn, to look at the high cost of
b u ilding in Jersey and I think it would
b e r ight to wait for the Working Party
t o r eport before one allocates
r e sp onsibility.
3 . The public utility companies submit
q u o tations to supply mains services to
n e w housing developments, but they are n o t in direct competition with other
c o m panies as they are the only
c o m panies permitted to supply their
p a r ticular mains services. In many
c a s es the quotations will show a
d i sc ount on the actual cost of the
i n st allation on the basis that the
s e rv ice provided will generate
s u f ficient return to cover any initial
l o ss by the company. However, when the u t il ity companies submit quotations for
w o rk other than the installation of
m ai ns services, e.g. the provision of
h e a ting systems, they will be in direct
c o m petition with other suitably
q u a lified contractors and will
g e n erally only be awarded the contract
i f th ey submit the lowest tender.
4 . I hope that I have dealt adequately
w it h this question in my answer to the l a st question.
5 . As I said in my answer to question 2, I
t h in k it would be wise to await the
o u t come of the Working Party on
B u i lding Costs before we jump to
c o n clusions about the causes of high
b u i lding costs. If the cause of high
b u i lding costs is shown to be high
sp ecifications and standards, then we
a l l have a choice to make. Either we
r e d uce our specifications and standards
o r w e maintain them and continue to pay
a c c ordingly. Personally, I would be
r e lu ctant to reduce standards,
e s p ecially where these are designed to
l im it future maintenance costs.
6 . Before answering the various sub-
s e c tions of this question, I think the
H o use should have some of the
b a c kground to my Committee's decision t o m eet the reasonable tendering costs
i n cu rred by two United Kingdom
c o n tractors for the Continental Hotel
s it e development.
O n 5th February 1993, my Committee
d e c ided that it was minded to invite
o n e or two reputable United Kingdom
c o n tractors to tender for one or two of
i ts l arger schemes which were due to go
o u t to tender in the near future. The
p a r ticular schemes the Committee had in m in d were the Continental Hotel site
a n d Field 1243A, St. Helier . The
C o m mittee's Act of that date records
t h re e advantages which the Committee
s a w in this proposal -
( i) It would put to the test the
g en e r a l assumption that United
K i n g d om contractors could build h o u se s to the standard required at a c o n s iderably cheaper price than lo c a l c ontractors;
( ii ) It could result in the Committee
b ei n g able to complete a major
sc h e m e at a reduced cost. This
co u l d result in States' Loan
h o u se s being available at lower
p ri c e s; or, in the case of a
S ta t e s' rental scheme, in a
ca p i ta l saving which could then be u se d fo r an additional scheme
p ro v i d ing yet more opportunity for lo c a l j ob creation;
( ii i) It could have the effect of
en c o uraging local contractors to b e m o re competitive in the prices th e y q uoted.
A f urther benefit which the Committee
t h o ught the exercise might produce was t h at the information submitted by U.K.
c o n tractors with their tenders could be
p a s sed on to the Working Party on
B u i lding Costs which, at the time, the
F i n ance and Economics Committee were a b o ut to appoint.
M y Committee had been particularly
c o n cerned about the Continental Hotel s it e , given that the size and
c o m plexity of the scheme (78 flats with s ig n ificant sub-structure works
e s ti mated to cost in the region of
£7 . 6M.) was quite probably going to
m ea n that few local contractors would b e w illing and able to carry out the
w o rk at a competitive cost. On 19th
F e b ruary, my Committee considered a l is t of applications from local
c o n tractors to tender for the
d e v elopment and was extremely
d i sa ppointed with the response.
E f f ectively, it meant that only two,
p o s sibly three, local contractors would b e r ealistically tendering for the
w o rk. My Committee therefore decided t h at it would like to invite two United K in gdom contractors to tender for the s c h eme but that in the first instance
i t sh ould discuss this proposal with
t h e Policy and Resources Committee.
O n 23rd February, I met with the Policy a n d Resources Committee to discuss this m at ter. That Committee supported our
p r o posal.
O n 2nd April, my Committee decided
t o i nvite two particular United Kingdom
c o m panies (Dean and Dyball Construction L t d . and W. Hayward and Sons (Soton.)
L t d . - both from the Southampton area.
T h e y had been recommended to us by the P u b lic Services Department, which had
h ad previous experience with them. At
o u r meeting we addressed the question
o f t he amount by which a United Kingdom t e nd er had to be lower than the lowest
l o ca l tender in order to be accepted.
T h e Act of the Policy and Resources
C o m mittee meeting of 23rd February 1993 ( th a t is the meeting I have just
r e fe rred to) records the view of that
C o m mittee that this differential should
b e 5 per cent. Further, I should remind
m em bers that the policy of this House,
a s c ontained in the 1992 Strategic
P o l icy Report, is that the percentage
d i ff erential for larger' construction
c o n tracts should be five per cent where
U n ited Kingdom contractors are invited
t o t ender. Given these two things, my
C o m mittee decided to apply a
d i ff erential of five per cent in the
c a s es of the two contractors invited to
t e nd er for the Continental Hotel site
d e v elopment. An Act of my Committee was s e n t to the Finance and Economics
C o m mittee, who would be required to
g r a nt a licence if either of the two
U n ited Kingdom contractors concerned
w er e to win the tender under the terms
s p e cified.
O n 5th April the Finance and Economics C o m mittee decided that the percentage
d i ff erential between United Kingdom and l o ca l contractors for this development
s h o uld be 10 per cent.
O n 16th April my Committee considered
t h e matter further and was advised by
t h e Principal Quantity Surveyor from
t h e Public Services Department that the
t w o United Kingdom companies concerned h a d written to state that they would
n o t be prepared to tender on the basis
o f a 10 per cent differential, but
w o uld tender if the differential were
r e d uced to five per cent.
O n 19th April I met with the Finance
a n d Economics Committee and explained t h at unless that Committee were
p r e pared to agree a five per cent
d i ff erential, the two United Kingdom
c o n tractors would withdraw and we would b e l eft with a worryingly small list of
l o ca l contractors for such an important
a n d expensive development. The outcome
o f o ur discussion is recorded in the
F i n ance Committee's Act, as follows -
T h e C ommittee, being divided
eq u a l ly upon whether a 10 per cent
o r a f iv e per cent differential
sh o u l d be applied in respect of
th e C o ntinental Hotel site
p ro j e c t, decided to ask the Policy
an d R e sources Committee for its
v ie w s on this matter at that
C o m m ittee's next meeting.'
O n 20th April the matter was considered b y the Policy and Resources Committee. B o t h the President of the Finance and
E c onomics Committee and myself were in a t te ndance when this matter was
d i sc ussed. Having listened to both
s id e s of the argument, the Policy and
R e s ources Committee recalled the policy
o f t he States contained in the 1992
S t ra tegic Policy Report (to which I
r e fe rred earlier) and decided to
r e co mmend that a five per cent
d i ff erential should be applied in
d e te rmining the award of the contract
f o r the Continental Hotel site
d e v elopment.' The Committee's decision w as subject to my Committee taking
s te p s to ensure that if a United
K in gdom company won the contract a
s u b stantial proportion of local labour'
w o uld be used. My Committee would
n a tu rally have accepted this condition.
O n 27th April the Finance and Economics C o m mittee met again on the matter and,
r e g ardless of the fact that it was
a w a re that the two United Kingdom
c o n tractors in question would withdraw
f ro m the tender and that the Policy and
R e s ources Committee (whose advice it
h a d formally sought) had supported the
H o using Committee's proposal of a
p e r centage differential of five per
c e n t, decided that the differential
s h o uld be 10 per cent after all.
R e l uctantly, my Committee had to accept t h is decision, despite the fact that it
f le w in the face of States policy on
t h e matter and the recommendation of
t h e Policy and Resources Committee. If w e had persevered with our original
d e c ision to apply a differential of
f iv e per cent and a United Kingdom
c o n tractor had won the contract on that
b a s is, we would have run the risk of
t h e Finance and Economics Committee
r e fu sing to issue a Licence to that
c o n tractor under the Regulation of
U n dertakings and Development Law.
W hen we made further contact with the t w o United Kingdom contractors, they c o n firmed that they would not now
t e nd er for the project. My Committee
r e m ained very anxious to add to the
v e r y, very small list of local
c o n tractors willing and able to tender
f o r a project of this magnitude. It was a t t his point that we reluctantly
a g r eed to offer to meet the reasonable
t e nd ering costs, to a maximum of
£1 0 ,000 each, of the two United Kingdom c o n tractors in question in order to
e n c ourage them to tender.
N o w I should like to answer each of
t h e sub-questions contained in question 6 , a s follows -
( i) a maximum figure of £10,000 was ar r iv e d at in consultation with
th e C o mmittee's Quantity Surveyor fo r t h e project, Tillyards. That
sa m e Q uantity Surveyor also
u n d er t ook to check in detail the
t e nd ering costs of the two
co n t r a ctors involved in order to
en s u r e that they were entirely
re a s o n able. I am not aware of how th e C o nnétable of St. Helier has
ar r iv e d at figures of £3,500 to
£4 ,0 0 0 for a project of this
n at u r e , but his view is not shared
b y t h e Quantity Surveyor advising m y C o mmittee, nor by the Principal Q u a n ti ty Surveyor employed by the P u b lic Services Committee;
( ii ) yes, as stated above;
( ii i) given my answer to question 6 (i i) , t h is question is not
n o w ap p l icable;
( iv ) yes, and these have been forwarded to S e n ator Chinn's Working Party
o n B u i lding Costs;
( v ) the question does not arise -
o u r Q u antity Surveyor has checked
th e te n ders of both contractors
an d i s satisfied that both were
en t i re l y genuine. The companies in q u es t io n have now been paid;
( v i) I have no doubt that the
in v o l v ement of the two United
K i n g d om contractors resulted in
fa r m o re competitive tenders than
w o u l d otherwise have been the case if t e n d ers had been restricted to
th e sm all number of local
co n t r a ctors who also tendered. I
re m in d the House that the final
fi gure achieved (by, I am
d el i g h ted to say, a local
co n t r a ctor) was of the order of
£0 .8 M . less than the estimated
p ri c e f or the contract. This
sa v i n g will now be used to build
o th e r p roperties in my Committee's d ev e l o pment programme for which fu n d s do not exist, providing more w o r k f or local contractors and
th e i r e mployees;
( v ii ) I am obviously concerned that so m e l o c al contractors have
re c e n t ly gone out of business.
H o w ev e r , the Connétable should b e a w a r e that in the 33 months
m y C o m mittee has been in
o ff ic e , w e have placed
b u il d in g contracts with a
v al u e o f £83M., all to local
co n t r a c to rs. There can be no
d o u b t th a t without this,
em p l o y m ent in the building
i n d u st r y would be almost non-
ex i s te n t a nd the number of
fi rm s b e i ng put out of
b u si n e s s would have been
ca t a s tr o p hic.
If J e r s ey's economy is to continue to fl o u rish, it is universally
ag r e e d that the evil of inflation
m u s t b e defeated. To achieve this,
o u r c o st base must be at least
m a i n ta ined and, where possible, re d u c e d. If we fail in this,
in f la t io n will continue at a
h ig h e r level than in other places, lo c a l b usinesses will become less co m p e titive, more firms will go to th e w a ll and unemployment will so a r .
A l l S ta tes Committees have their p ar t t o play in this important
ta s k a n d the Housing Committee is p ro u d to have taken a lead. My
C o m m ittee has shown that by
in t roducing a real element of
co m p e tition, costs can be reduced, th e r e b y reducing inflation which, in tu r n , will provide more job
se c u r it y.
F ro m m y replies I hope the C o n n é table is satisfied that at al l t im es during the tendering p ro c e s s my Committee acted en t i re l y properly and in the best in t e re s ts of the Island and its
p eo p l e .''
Public appointments. Question and answer (Tape No. 202).
Deputy Maurice Clement Buesnel of St. Helier asked the President of the Policy and Resources Committee the following question -
On 23rd April 1991 I lodged au Greffe'' a petition regarding public appointments, w hich was initially referred to the
L egislation Committee and then by that
C ommittee to the Policy and Resources
C ommittee.
W ill the President please inform the States w hen his Committee's report will be
p resented to the States in order that I can d ebate my proposition?''
The President of the Policy and Resources Committee replied as follows -
The Legislation Committee suggested that t he matters raised in Deputy Buesnel's
p roposition were of a constitutional nature a nd should therefore be referred to the
P olicy and Resources Committee.
T he subject of the public appointments
p etition and its relationship with other
c onstitutional matters has now been fully
c onsidered, and the Policy and Resources
C ommittee has agreed a draft reply. The
C ommittee has, however, requested the views
o f the Law Officers thereon, but it hopes
t o be in a position to give its final
a pproval to this draft in mid-October, so
t hat Deputy Buesnel can debate his
p roposition in the House as soon as
p ossible thereafter.''
Tax collection scheme. Question and answer (Tape No. 202).
Deputy Maurice Clement Buesnel of St. Helier asked the President of the Finance and Economics Committee the following question -
On 28th July 1992 I lodged au Greffe'' a report and proposition regarding the
p reparation of Income Tax legislation to
i mplement an Income Tax Collection Scheme, w hich was referred to the Finance and
E conomics Committee.
W ill the President please advise when
h is Committee's report will be presented to t he States in order that I can ask for my
p roposition to be debated?''
The President of the Finance and Economics Committee replied as follows -
The Deputy 's proposition was referred, in l ate 1992. to the Working Party of Officers c haired by the Chief Adviser whose remit
w as to examine options for increasing
S tates' revenues. The Working Group's
r eport was received by my Committee at its m eeting on 16th August last.
A t this time of year my Committee and
i ts officers are very much involved with
t he preparation of the annual budget and
b ecause of this it is unlikely that my
C ommittee's report on the Deputy 's
p roposition will be ready before the end of J anuary next year.
W hile I am aware that this reply will
d isappoint the Deputy I have to say that
t he reason for the delay is that his
p roposal for PAYE is a complex matter that i s being carefully examined and due to
c hanging circumstances is not being
r ejected at an early stage of examination
a s on previous occasions when the Deputy r aised the matter.''
Traffic problems at Red Houses, Les Quennevais and Beaumont. Question and answer (Tape
No. 202).
The Connétable of St. Brelade asked the President of the Public Services Committee the following question -
In view of the genuine concern of
p arishioners regarding the traffic problem
a t Red Houses and Les Quennevais, which
u ltimately has an effect at Beaumont, would t he President inform the States what steps
a re being taken by his Committee to ensure
that this problem is addressed before the
L esquende and other proposed developments
g et under way.''
The President of the Public Works Committee replied as follows -
Following strong representation from the
C onnétable and her Honorary Police my
C ommittee approved and has carried out
w orks at the Red Houses junction to provide f acilities for pedestrian movements around
t he junction. It was always made clear that
t hese additional facilities would be at the
e xpense of traffic movements until such
t ime as further small areas of land are
p urchased to provide for improved traffic
f lows. These negotiations are currently
b eing undertaken for the Committee by the P roperty Services Department.
M y Committee has no powers to prevent
n ew developments but has over a number of
y ears recommended, in the strongest terms,
t o the Island Development Committee that no f urther major housing developments should
b e permitted west of Beaumont until the
p roblems of traffic in that area have been
a ddressed. Plans for the improvement of
t his junction were first drawn up in 1974
b ut with no States approval for its
i mplementation, and as a result of the
g rowth in traffic that had taken place, the
t hen Public Works Committee decided in 1988 t hat all its limited available resources
s hould be devoted to the completion of the
r ing road around St. Helier .
W ith the availability of the new traffic
m odel the Department's engineers are now a ble to quantify the overall effects on
t raffic of alternative proposals and, when t here are firm proposals, these can be
t ested and the results made available to
e nable more informed decisions to be
m ade.''
Pollution on the east coast of the Island. Statement
The Connétable of St. Clement made a Statement in the following terms -
I received a letter, dated 9th July 1993, f rom the Chief Executive Officer of the P ublic Services Department in which he a dvised me that as part of the monitoring
p rogramme of bathing and shellfish waters, a ll brooks and watercourses leading to the
s ea on the South coast of the Island had
b een checked for bacterial quality. In
c onjunction with this work, Public Services E ngineers had been checking the sewage
d isposal facilities of individual
p roperties and it was discovered that raw
s ewage and sewage solids were being discharged into the brook adjacent to my
p roperty. As no written permission had been g iven, this discharge was illegal and
c onstituted an offence under Article 2(2)
o f the Sewerage (Miscellaneous Provisions) ( Jersey) Law 1979. I was asked to take
i mmediate steps to remove this illegal
d ischarge from the watercourse and dispose
o f the sewage in a manner acceptable to the C ommittee and to the Island Development C ommittee.
W ithin a few days of the receipt of this
l etter employees of the Public Services
D epartment arrived at my property. I gave
t hem permission to carry out their
i nvestigations, with the exception of my
h ouse which is on main drains. This work
c ontinued over a period of about two weeks.
I then heard nothing further until two
e mployees of the Public Services Department c alled at my house on 6th September and
i ssued me with a notice under Article 11 of
t he Drainage (Jersey) Law 1962 to authorise i ts officers to enter and survey lands.
I was upset that this notice was served as
I had heard nothing from the department
s ince the original survey was carried out
i n July. I was even more upset when I was
m entioned by name on both BBC Radio Jersey a nd in the Jersey Evening Post as a
l andowner who had not allowed Public
S ervices access to my property, also that a
C hannel Television reporter and film crew
w ere lying in wait for me at home. I also
t ook exception to remarks allegedly made by
t he President of the Public Services
C ommittee in an article in the Jersey
E vening Post under the heading Pollution:
L andowners have failed to co-operate'
p ublished on 8th September. In that article
t he President is reported to have said ..
t hat those properties on which the
c ommittee had to serve notices would have b een those which had previously failed to g ive department members access to their p roperty. We have suspected these
l andowners for a long time of contributing t o the pollution said Deputy Le Gallais.'
I repeat that I had allowed employees of
t he Public Services Department to enter my p roperty in July and various investigations w ere carried out, although I then was not
i nformed that any problems existed on my p roperty.''
Manual Workers' Joint Council: Employers' Side Membership
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Establishment Committee decided, in accordance with an Act of the States dated 9th November 1961 concerning the membership of the Manual Workers' Joint Council, to approve the nomination of Deputy D.L. Crespel to serve as a member of the Employers' Side, in place of Senator J.S. Rothwell.
Florence Boot Trust: transfer of administration
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Public Services Committee approved the transfer from
the Public Services Committee to the Island Development Committee of the administration of six vergées 26 perch of land at Grève d'Azette,
St. Clement , shown as B' on drawing No. 1/C/21.
La Collette Factory Units: leasing
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Island Development Committee, suspended Standing Order No. 18 to allow the proposition of that
Committee regarding the leasing of La Collette Factory Units to be considered at the present Sitting; and -
( a) rescinded their Act, dated 22nd June 1 9 9 3, and authorised the leasing on
b e h alf of the public to Chinq Holdings L im ited of -
( i) 29,133 square feet of land at La
C o ll e tt e, shown on Drawing No. 01 2 1 6 A , at a ground rental of 80
p en c e per square foot for the
fo o t p ri nt of the building (which
to t a ls 1 6,469 square feet) for a
p er i o d of 42 years for the purpose
o f c o n structing factory units, the
g ro u n d rental to be subject to
re v i e w every three years in
ac c o r d ance with open market value;
( ii ) 3,720 square feet of land at La
C o ll e tt e at a rental of 20 pence
p er sq u are foot for a period of 42 y ea r s f or the purpose of vehicle
p ar k i n g directly associated with th e u se of the factory units,
su b j e c t to review every three
y ea r s t o open market value;
( b) authorised the Attorney General and
G re ffier of the States to pass on
b e h alf of the public any contract which i t is found necessary to pass in
c o n nexion with the leasing of the said l a nd ;
( c) authorised the Treasurer of the States t o r eceive the payments as they become d u e .
Public Services Committee: support for policies. P.136/93
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Public Services Committee, confirmed their support for the present policies of the Public Services Committee regarding -
( 1) Solid waste treatment
( 2) Recycling
( 3) Parks and gardens
( 4) Traffic
( 5) Architectural and engineering services ( 6) Finance and manpower
( 7) Support for tourism
( 8) Water resources
( 9) Consumer protection
( 10) L iquid waste.
Members present voted as follows -
P o u r'' (41)
Senators
S henton, Jeune , Horsfall, Baal, Rothwell, L e Main, Le Maistre, Chinn.
Connétable s
S t. John, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, St. Ouen, S t. Brelade, St. Martin , St. Peter,
G rouville, St. Helier , St. Saviour ,
T rinity.
Deputies
L e Gallais(S), Rumboll(H), Beadle(B),
W avell(S), Norman(C), St. John, St. Peter , B uesnel(H), St. Ouen, Coutanche(L),
H uelin(B), Jordan(B), St. Mary ,
B ailhache(H), Rabet(H), Clarke-Halifax(S), L e Fondré(L), St. Martin, Le Geyt(S),
W alker(H), Crespel(H), Pullin(S).
C o n tre'' (9) Senators
C arter, Quérée.
Connétable s
S t. Clement.
Deputies
B lampied(H), H. Baudains(C), S.
B audains(H), Grouville , Syvret(H), Trinity .
La Grande Maison Cottage, St. Catherine: approval of drawings. P.127/93
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Housing Committee -
( a) approved drawings Nos. 427/2A, 03 and 0 5 , showing the renovation of La Grande M a ison Cottage, St. Catherine, St.
M a rtin, and stable to create two two-
b e d roomed dwellings;
( b) authorised the Greffier of the States t o s ign the said drawings on behalf of t h e States.
Regulation of Undertakings and Development (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Regulations 1993. P.128/93
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 2 of the Regulation of Undertakings and Development (Jersey) Law 1973, as amended, made Regulations entitled the Regulation of Undertakings and Development (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Regulations 1993.
Housing (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Regulations 1993. P.133/93
THE STATES, in pursuance of Articles 4A and 15 of the Housing (Jersey) Law 1949, as amended, made Regulations entitled the Housing (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Regulations 1993.
Health Insurance (Medical Benefit) (Amendment No. 42) (Jersey) Regulations 1993. P.137/93
THE STATES, in pursuance of Articles 18 and 46 of the Health Insurance (Jersey) Law 1967, as amended, made Regulations entitled the Health Insurance (Medical Benefit) (Amendment No. 42) (Jersey) Regulations 1993.
Licensing (Licence Fees) (Jersey) Regulations 1993. P.140/93
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 11 of the Licensing (Jersey) Law 1974, as amended, made Regulations entitled the Licensing (Licence Fees) (Jersey) Regulations 1993.
Liberation 50th Anniversary celebrations (P.106/93): second amendment. P.123/93 Liberation 50th Anniversary celebrations - sculpture (P.123/93): report. P.141/93
THE STATES continued consideration of the second amendment to the proposition regarding the Liberation 50th Anniversary celebrations, and accepting an amendment of the Occupation and Liberation Committee, agreed that at the end of paragraph (b) of the proposition there should be added the words accepted the offer of the
sculpture commissioned by the Jersey Public Sculpture Trust; and''.
Inquiries under States of Jersey Law 1966. P.132/93
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator John Stephen Rothwell, requested the Legislation Committee to prepare an amendment of the States
of Jersey Law 1966 to enable formal inquiries to be conducted by one or more persons, appointed by the States, but not necessarily Members of the States, with all the powers and protection provided by Articles 41 to 46 and 49 of the Law.
THE STATES adjourned at 5.40 p.m. until
the next day, Wednesday, 29th September 1993 at 9.30 a.m.
C . M . N E W C O M BE D e p u ty Greffier of the States.