States Minutes 7th June 1994

STATES MINUTES 7 t h J u n e 1 9 94

T HE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 7 th June 1994 at 9.30 a.m. under

 the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff ,

Philip Martin Bailhache , Esquire, Q.C.

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All Members were present with the exception of -

S enator Richard Joseph Shenton - out of the I sland

R obin Ernest Richard Rumboll, Deputy of St. H elier - out of the Island

M ichael Adam Wavell, Deputy of St. Saviour

- out of the Island

H arry Hall ewell Baudains, Deputy of St.

C lement - out of the Island

G raham Huelin, Deputy of St. Brelade - out

o f the Island

E velyn Mabel Pullin, Deputy of St. Saviour

- out of the Island

A lastair John Layzell, Deputy of St.

B relade - out of the Island

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P r a y e rs

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Subordinate legislation tabled

The following enactments were laid before the States, namely -

 1 .  Royal Court (Amendment No. 3) R u l es 1994. R & O 8683.

 2 .  Young Offender Institution (Jersey) R u l es 1994. R & O 8684.

Agriculture and Fisheries

Committee - appointment of member

THE STATES appointed Senator Vernon Amy Tomes as a member of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.

Matters presented

The following matters were presented to the States -

 1 .  Human Rights Conventions:

R e p orts for Jersey - R.C.14/94.

P r e sented by the Policy and

R e s ources Committee. THE STATES ordered t h at the said report be printed and

d i st ributed.

 2 .  Department of Postal

A  d ministration: report and accounts for

1 9 9 3.

P r e sented by the Committee for Postal

A  d ministration. THE STATES ordered that t h e said report and accounts be printed

a n d distributed.

3 . Seat belts in school buses -

p e ti tion (P.43/94): report - P.78/94.

P r e sented by the Defence

C o m mittee. THE STATES ordered that the s a id report be printed and distributed.

Matters noted - land transactions

THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee, dated 27th May 1994, showing that in pursuance of Standing Orders relating to certain transactions in land, the Committee had approved -

 ( a) as recommended by the Tourism

C o m mittee, the lease to Advocate David F i s her Le Quesne, in his capacity as

e x e cutor of the deceased tenant's will,

o f C olleen's Café, Grève de Lecq, St.

O  u en, for a period of one year at a

r e n t of £3,100 from 25th December 1993;

 ( b) as recommended by the Public Health

C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Monica Billot Cotillard, née

L e Quesne, of the two-bedroom property L ' H ermitage Farm Flat, Les Varines, St.

S a v iour, for the period 23rd April 1994 t o 2 2nd April 1995, with an option to

e x te nd to 22nd April 1996, at an annual r e n t of £7,020, subject to review

s h o uld the option to extend be

e x e rcised;

 ( c) as recommended by the Public Health

C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Beryl Joan Cadiou, née

B o u lter, of the two-bedroom bungalow Le N  id , Langley Park, St. Saviour, from

1 s t June to 30th November 1994, with an

o p t ion to extend to 31st May 1995, at

a n a nnual rent of £7,732;

( d) as recommended by the Public Health C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Clara Altstadt, née Mayer, of t h e one-bedroom cottage Flat 3, Theresa C o u rt, Old St. John's Road, St. Helier ,

f ro m 1st July 1994 to 30th June 1995,

w  it h an option to extend to 30th June

1 9 9 6, at an annual rent of £7,232;

 ( e) as recommended by the Harbours and A  ir port Committee, the lease to St.

P e t er's Football Club of Field No. 761, S t . Peter, measuring 2.20.0 vergées,

f o r a period of three years from 1st

M a y 1994, at an annual rent of £200;

 ( f) as recommended by the Harbours and

A  ir port Committee, the extension of the

l e as e to Mr. Augusto Alberto De Aguiar

M  a tos of the Sailor's Rest Café

( L e tting No. N9) on the New North Quay, S t . Helier Harbour, for a further

p e r iod of one year from 1st April 1994,

a t a n annual rent of £9,000;

 ( g) as recommended by the Harbours and A  ir port Committee, the lease to the

C o m pany of Town Pilots of the Old

W  a tchtower (Letting No. V3), Victoria P i e r, St. Helier Harbour, for a period

o f n ine years from 1st April 1994, at

a n a nnual rent of £1,995.70,

r e p resenting a rate of £5.32 a square

f o o t, subject to annual review;

( h) as recommended by the Establishment C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease of t h e semi-detached, furnished, two-

b e d room property La Fontaine', Spring G  ro ve, La Rue de la Blanche Pierre, St.

L a w rence, from Mrs. Elizabeth Ruth M c Houl, née Creighton, for a period of

o n e year from 1st February 1994 at a

c o n tinuing annual rent of £8,580;

 ( i) as recommended by the Public Health

C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Lily May Stapley, née

G  le ndewar, of the two-bedroom apartment k n o wn as Flat 2, The Anchorage, La

R o u te du Fort, St. Helier , for a period

o f o ne year from 1st July 1994 to 30th

J u n e 1995, at an annual rent of £6,940

p a y able monthly in advance; and

 ( j) as recommended by the Public Health

C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Evelyn Marguerite Hefford,

n é e Hervé, of the three-bedroom house

k n o wn as 17 Court Drive, La Route de la H  au le, St. Lawrence, for a period of

t w o years from 1st August 1994 to 31st

J u ly 1996, at an annual rent of

£1 1 ,536, payable quarterly in advance,

a n d subject to an increase on 1st

A  u gust 1995. All other terms of the

l e as e would remain as contained in the

e x is ting lease, with the addition of a

c l au se giving the Committee the option

o f e xercising a three month notice

p e r iod;

 ( k) as recommended by the Island

D  ev elopment Committee, the acquisition

f ro m Mr. Philip John Rondel and Maureen A n ne Le Boutillier, formerly wife of

M  r . Philip John Rondel Senior, of Field

N  o . 536, Les Creux, St. Brelade

( m e asuring 2.26.21 vergées), for a sum

o f £ 13,500 (representing a rate of

£5 , 000 a vergée) plus reasonable fees,

s u b ject to the public receiving vacant

p o s session on or before 31st May 1994;

 ( l) as recommended by the Island

D  ev elopment Committee, to lease to Mr. P h i lip John Rondel, Field No. 471B,

C o r biere, St. Brelade (measuring

a p p roximately three vergées), at an

a n n ual rent of £180 (representing a

r a te of £60 a vergée), to include the

r ig h t to irrigate the field from the

n e a rby pond;

 ( m) as recommended by the Island

D  ev elopment Committee, to lease to Mr. P h i lip John Rondel, Fields Nos. 93 and 9 4 , Les Quennevais, St. Brelade

( L e squende' land) (measuring

a p p roximately seven vergées), for an

a n n ual rent of £420 (representing a

r a te of £60 a vergée), subject to

r e v iew at the end of the third year;

 ( n) as recommended by the Island

D  ev elopment Committee, to Mr. Philip

J o h n Rondel occupying Field No. 573 and t h e area of gorse south of Field

N  o . 573, Les Creux, St. Brelade , on an

i n fo rmal, rent-free basis in order to

k e e p the fields clean' prior to the

g o l f course development commencing,

s u b ject to written notice to vacate the

l a nd at the end of the current crop

s e a son at the time of the said notice;

 ( o) as recommended by the Public Health

C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Anne Dorothy Taylor , née

B r o okbank, of the two-bedroom, semi-

d e ta ched property La Cachette, No. 6 La H  o ugue Grange Farm, Route de Catillon, G  ro uville, for the period 7th December

1 9 9 3 to 31st January 1995, at an annual r e n t of £9,328.57, payable quarterly in

a d v ance, with the option to renew for a

f u rt her 12 month period on agreed

t e rm s;

( p) as recommended by the Public Services C o m mittee, the renewal of the lease

f ro m Mrs. Enid Amy Gautier, née Gray,

o f F ield No. 1272, St. Helier

( m e asuring 8 vergées) for a period of

n i n e years with effect from 25th

D  ec ember 1993 at an annual rent of

£1 , 200, subject to triennial reviews.

Matters lodged

The following subjects were lodged au Greffe'' -

 1 .  Draft Road Traffic (No. 44)

( J er sey) Regulations 199  - P.76/94. P r e sented by the Defence

C o m mittee.

 2 .  Draft Solicitors (Amendment) ( J er sey) Law 199 - P.77/94.

P r e sented by the Legislation C o m mittee.

 3 .  Appel nominal: revised

p r o cedure - P.79/94.

P r e sented by Deputy J.L. Dorey

o f S t. Helier.

 4 .  Strategic Policy Review and

A ct ion Plan 1994: amendment - P.80/94. P r e sented by Deputy A.J. Layzell

o f S t. Brelade.

Lodged on 31st May 1994

 1 .  Strategic Policy Review and

A ct ion Plan 1994 - P.74/94.

P r e sented by the Policy and Resources C o m mittee.

 2 .  Public Employee Contributory

R e t irement Scheme: proposals for the d i sp osal of an actuarial surplus.

P . 7 5/94.

P r e sented by the Establishment

C o m mittee.

Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 21st and 22nd June 1994

THE STATES confirmed that the following subjects lodged au Greffe'' should be considered at the

next meeting on 21st June 1994 -

S trategic Policy Review and Action Plan 1 994 - P.74/94.

L odged: 31st May 1994.

P olicy and Resources Committee.

S trategic Policy Review and Action P lan 1994: amendment - P.80/94. L odged: 7th June 1994.

D eputy A.J. Layzell of St. Brelade

P ublic Employees Contributory

R etirement Scheme: proposals for the

d isposal of an actuarial surplus - P.75/94. L odged: 31st May 1994.

E stablishment Committee.

D raft Road Traffic (No. 44) (Jersey) R egulations 199  - P.76/94.

L odged: 7th June 1994

D efence Committee.

D raft Solicitors (Amendment) (Jersey) L aw 199  - P.77/94.

L odged: 7th June 1994.

L egislation Committee

D raft Limited Partnerships (Jersey) L aw 199  - P.66/94.

L odged: 24th May 1994.

F inance and

E conomics Committee.

THE STATES noted that the President of the Island Development Committee had withdrawn the proposition regarding the transfer of administration of Bagatelle Nurseries, Claremont Road, St. Saviour (P.73/94 - lodged au

Greffe'' on 24th May 1994).

THE STATES noted that the President of the Harbours and Airport Committee had withdrawn the proposition regarding the lease of Les Viviers

de Ste. Catherine (P.23/94) - lodged au

Greffe'' on 1st March 1994).

Jersey's report on the international convention on the elimination of all forms of racial discrimination - question and answer (Tape No. 240)

Senator Stuart Syvret asked Senator Reginald Robert Jeune , President of the Policy and Resources Committee, the following question -

  Article 9 of the International

 C onvention on the Elimination of all Forms

o f Racial Discrimination' requires

 s ignatories to submit reports on the

  legislative, judicial, administrative or

o ther measures which they have adopted and

 w hich give effect to the provisions of the

 C onvention'. Will the President inform the

 H ouse if Jersey has submitted a report and

 i f so will he reveal the contents of that

 r eport to the House?''

The President of the Policy and Resources Committee replied as follows -

  As the Senator will know from the Minutes

o f the Policy and Resources Committee,

 t he answer to his question is yes. A copy

o f the report has today been presented to

M embers for information. The report has

b een sent to Her Majesty's Government

t hrough the official channel so that this

c an be included in the next biennial report

f or the United Kingdom as required of Her M ajesty's Government as a signatory to the I nternational Convention on the Elimination

o f all Forms of Racial Discrimination.

J ersey is not a signatory in its own right

a nd this is the first time that the insular

a uthorities have been asked by Her

M ajesty's Government to prepare a report.''

Costs of the Jersey Training Agency, the Employment Enterprise Board and the Job Club - question and answer (Tape No. 240)

Senator Stuart Syvret asked Deputy Terence Augustine Le Sueur of St. Helier , President of the Social Security Committee, the following question -

  Will the President inform the House what

 a re the full costs to the Island of the

 J ersey Training Agency and the Employment  E nterprise Board and how these compare to

 t he costs of the Job Club in terms of cost

 p er client dealt with?''

The President of the Social Security Committee replied as follows -

  I find this is a very difficult question

 t o answer, not because of the lack of

 i nformation, but because there is a danger  i n making comparisons between dissimilar  s ervices.

T he broad factual details are as follows -

T h e Jersey Training Agency is funded

a n d operates, not under my Committee, b u t jointly through the Policy and

R e s ources and Education Committees. In 1 9 9 3 I am advised that the

a d m inistrative costs were £51,954 and

t h e grants paid amounted to £341,580.

T h e 1994 budget includes £78,000

f o r administration and £471,500 for

g r a nts.

T h e Employment Enterprise Board does c o m e under the Social Security

C o m mittee but has no budget as such. D ir ect expenditure of the Employment E n t erprise Board amounted to £10,000

o v e r the last year to June, which

r e p resents the contract salary paid to

t h e EEB co-ordinator. The members of

t h e Board give their time voluntarily

a n d freely, and my Committee gratefully a c k nowledges their assistance. Any

o t h er (minor) administration costs have b e e n absorbed by the Social Security

D  ep artment within its budget.

T h e Job Club is an independent

o r g anisation which receives a grant t h ro ugh the Finance and Economics C o m mittee. Over the past year I

u n d erstand that it has received

£3 1 ,500.

J u s t to complete the picture, the

Y  o uth Training Initiative Scheme,

f u n ded through the Education Committee, i s e stimated to cost £555,400 in the

1 9 9 4 budget and currently has around

1 0 0 young people in placements.

T h e se are the direct costs, and

c l ea rly there are also additional,

i n d irect costs such as the Job Search

P r o gramme carried out through the EEB

a t a projected cost of £32,542, and the

p u b lic sector and Parish Temporary

E m ployment Schemes which will have cost a p p roximately £935,000 and £225,000

r e sp ectively up to June 1994. However,

a g a inst these costs there will have

b e e n savings in areas such as those of

w  el fare and social security benefits,

n o t to mention the social benefits

t h es e activities have given to the

u n e mployed and the likely future

i m p rovement in status of many of those

p r e viously unemployed. Furthermore, as

I h a ve indicated, members of the Jersey

T r a ining Agency and the Employment

E n t erprise Board make a very valuable

c o ntribution, on an unpaid basis.

I t is impossible to provide

m  ea ningful figures on the cost per

c l ie nt. Each organisation provides a

d i ff erent service, and it is not a

s im  ple case of comparing like with

l ik e . There are members of the Job Club w  h o have benefited from the activities

o f t he Employment Enterprise Board, the J e rs ey Training Agency and/or the Job C e n tre. Similarly there are people who h a v e visited the Job Centre who have

b e n efited from the efforts of the Job

C l u b. The Job Club does not provide

g r a nts, temporary employment or

t ra i ning placements, all of which cost

m  o ney, but does also recognise the

v a lu e of the work done. Furthermore,

w  h ilst the numbers of Job Club members m  ay be ascertained, the Jersey Training A  g ency carries out a variety of

f u n ctions, only a few of which relate

t o t he unemployed. A large proportion

o f t he Jersey Training Agency's

e x p enditure last year, I am told, went

t o o ver 600 individuals who benefited

f ro m day release and United Kingdom

b l o ck/travel grants totalling £217,842.

I f o ne were to try to make any

c o m parisons at all, it might be between t h e cost per client visit to the Job

C e n tre. The Job Centre deals with an

a v e rage of 2,700 visitors a week at an

a n n ual cost of £220,500. The Job Club, I u n derstand, has an average of 40

v i si tors a week and an annual cost of

£3 1 ,500. If you calculate cost a visit,

t h en the average Job Centre's cost

w o uld be less than £1.60, whilst the

J o b Centre could be over £15. Even

t h er e it is hard to make a comparison

b e c ause the same persons may visit both

o r g anisations, but perhaps visit the

J o b Centre more frequently. Nor can it g i v e any indication of the amount of

w  o rk that is undertaken at each visit

o r t he quality of that work.

I t h ink that all this shows is

t h at comparisons are dangerous, and in

t h is case meaningless, but I hope that

I h a ve provided the Senator and Members w  it h sufficient information, and leave

t h em to draw their own conclusions.

D  if ferent strategies are needed to help

t h e unemployed find work, some will

n e c essarily be more expensive than

o t h ers depending on the degree of

s u p port required, but they should all

c o m plement one another. The work of the J o b Club, for example, is complementary t o o ther States' schemes, not in

c o m petition with them. Indeed, my

C o m mittee has recently been discussing

i m p roved arrangements with the Job Club M  a nagement Committee in respect of

r e fe rrals from the Job Centre.

F o r myself, I am content that the

m  o ney spent last year on unemployment, i n cl uding the modest amount paid to the J o b Club, was necessary and worthwhile. H  o wever, in the future, I believe that

t h e unemployed would best be served by b r in ging together all these initiatives

u n d er one body so that it can respond

m  o re flexibly to rises and falls in the

l e ve ls of unemployment and the training n e e ds of the Island. No doubt we will

d i sc uss these issues more fully when we d e b ate this year's Strategic Report.''

Teachers, lecturers and advisory staff - questions and answers (Tape No. 240)

Deputy Shirley Margaret Baudains of St. Helier asked the Connétable of St. Lawrence, President of the Education Committee, the following questions -

1.  W ill the President inform the

S ta t e s of -

( a ) the number of full-time and part-

ti m e te achers, including

h ea d t e achers, who are employed by th e E d ucation Committee and who ar e te a ching at primary and

se c o n d ary schools, including

H a u tl i eu?

( b ) the number of full-time and part- ti m e le cturers who are employed at H i g h la nds College?

( c ) the number of full-time and part- ti m e A dvisory staff employed by th e E d ucation Committee?

 2 .  Will the President inform the States h o w many in each of the three

c a te gories are -

( a ) Jersey born or otherwise l o c al l y qualified';

( b ) employed on five year or other sh o r t -t erm contracts;

( c ) are residentially qualified by m e a n s of having had their

co n t r a cts extended?

 3 .  Will the President inform the States of t h e number of the above employees who r e ce ive a subsidy towards the cost of

t h ei r accommodation?''

The President of the Education Committee replied as follows -

1.  ( a) The number of full-time and

p ar t -t i m e teachers, employed

b y t h e E d ucation Committee, in p ri m a r y a nd secondary schools is 6 9 6 .

( b ) The number of full-time and part- ti m e le cturers, as at 1st June

1 9 9 4 , is 472.

( c ) The number of advisory staff is 1 4 .

 2 .  (a)  The number of teachers who are Je r s e y born or otherwise locally

  q u a l ified are 645.

In p ri m ary and secondary schools 5 8 3 a n d as advisory staff 10.

T h e E d ucation Committee does not h av e th e information about the

q u al i fi cations of the 400 part-

ti m e le cturers at Highlands

C o ll e g e since such staff on annual

o r te r m ly contracts are recruited

fr o m l ocally qualified' people or

p eo p l e whose main employment is

o u ts id e Highlands College.

O f t h e 72 full-time lecturers 68 ar e Je r sey born or are otherwise lo c a ll y qualified.

( b ) The number of teachers in primary an d s e condary schools on five year co n t r a cts is 52.

T h e n u mber of lecturers on five- y ea r co ntracts is 4.

T h e n u mber of advisory staff on fi v e -y e ar contracts is 4.

A n u m ber of teachers and le c tu r e rs, with local

q u al i fi cations, are employed on an n u a l and termly contracts in sc h o o l s and at Highlands as

fo l lo w s -

in p ri m a r y and secondary

sc h o o l s 1 3 3

at H i g h la nds 4 0 2 in th e a d visory service 0

( c ) There are no teachers or lecturers w h o h ave gained residential

q u al i fi cations by means of their

co ntracts being extended.

 3 .  The number of employees receiving a s u b sidy from the Education Committee t o w ards the cost of accommodation is

2 7 . ''

Medical, nursing and supplementary professions staff - questions and answers (Tape No. 240)

Deputy Shirley Margaret Baudains of St. Helier asked the Connétable of St. Saviour , President of the Public Health Committee, the following questions -

1.  W ill the President inform the

S ta t e s of the number of full-time

an d p a rt-time medical, nursing and p ro f e s sions supplementary to

m e d i ci ne staff who are employed by th e P u blic Health Committee?

 2 .  Will the President inform the States h o w many in each of the above

c a te gories are -

( a ) Jersey born or otherwise l o c al l y qualified';

( b ) employed on five year or other sh o r t -t erm contracts;

( c ) are residentially qualified by m  e an s of having had their

co n t r a cts extended?

 3 .  Will the President inform the States of t h e number of the above employees who r e ce ive a subsidy towards the cost of

t h ei r accommodation?''

The President of the Public Health Committee replied as follows -

1.  T he Public Health Committee

cu r r e n tly employs -

8 8 m e dical staff, of whom 87 are fu l l- t im e and 1 part-time;

9 5 2 n u rsing staff, of whom 713 ar e fu l l-time and 239 part-time;

an d 1 6 1 staff in professions

su p p l e mentary to medicine, of whom 1 3 0 a r e full-time and 31 part-

ti m e .  

T h i s latter category includes

p h y siotherapists, pharmacists, medical l a bo ratory scientists, radiographers

a n d a number of other clinical

s p e cialists.

 2 .  (a)  The numbers of staff employed by m y C o mmittee who have full (a)-

( h ) h o using qualifications or who

h o ld p ermanent 'essential

em  p l o yee' appointments are 42

d o ct o r s, 700 nurses and 107 staff

in p ro f essions supplementary to

m e d i ci ne;

( b ) the numbers of staff employed by P u b li c Health on five-year or

o th e r s hort-term contracts are 46

d o ct o r s, 252 nurses and 54 staff

in p ro f essions supplementary to

m e d i ci ne;

t h e f igure for doctors includes a

n u m b e r of junior medical staff

w h o , a s part of their normal

tr a in i n g progression, are employed

o n s ix - month contracts and then

o ft e n m ove on to another post in th e U n ited Kingdom;

( c ) as far as I can determine, there ar e n o staff employed by Public H e a lt h who have acquired full

re s id e n tial qualification by

h av i n g a fixed-term contract

ex t e n d ed.

3 .  The number of Public Health staff who r e ce ive subsidies, in accordance with t h e Establishment Committee policy, t o w ards the cost of accommodation is 6 3 . ''

Accident and Emergency Department of the General Hospital - questions and answers (Tape No. 240)

Deputy Shirley Margaret Baudains of St. Helier asked the Connétable of St. Saviour , President of the Public Health Committee, the following questions -

1.  W ill the President inform the

S ta t e s of the procedure in the

A c c id e nt and Emergency Department

o f th e General Hospital when a

ch i l d b ecomes ill at night or

d u ri n g a Bank Holiday and is taken

to th e hospital?

 2 .  Is the President aware of the

i m p ortance of this service to families t h at cannot afford to pay the call-out f e e of approximately £59 or £47

r e sp ectively for a general practitioner a t t hose times?

 3 .  Does the President consider that t h es e services are adequate?''

The President of the Public Health Committee replied as follows -

1.  T he procedure applied by doctors

an d n u rses in the Accident and

E m e r g ency Department of the

G e n e ra l Hospital when a child

b ec o m  es ill at night or during a

b an k h oliday does not differ from th a t w  hich applies when children

ar e brought to the Department

d u ri n g daytime hours on any day

d u ri n g the year.

T h e primary function of the Accident

a n d Emergency Department as implied in t h e title, is the provision of prompt

a n d effective treatment to members of

t h e public involved in accidents or,

w  h o require emergency treatment. The

c l in ical staffing levels within the

D  ep artment are not designed to cover

m  ed ical treatment which may be

s a ti sfactorily provided by general

m  ed ical practitioners.

C h i ldren (and indeed adults) attending

t h e Department will be seen by a member

o f t he medical and/or nursing staff.

I n it ially this involves assessment by a

q u a lified nurse in order to gauge the

u r g ency of treatment required and to

p r io ritise those attending.

I n c ircumstances where it is assessed

t h at treatment should be provided by a g eneral medical practitioner, this will

b e e xplained and referral made.

H  o wever, it is not the policy of the

m  ed ical staff to refrain from treatment

o f c hildren where there is an immediate m  ed ical need.

 2 .  I am aware that some families may have d i ff iculty in meeting the financial

c o s t when it becomes necessary to call

a g e neral practitioner at night or

d u r ing a bank holiday. However, as

i m p lied in my answer to the previous

q u e stion, the resources of the Accident

a n d Emergency Department would be

c o m promised in treating patients

i n v olved in accidents and emergencies

i f m edical staff attention is

a d d itionally given to patients who

w  o uld routinely be treated by general

p r a ctitioners.  Questions relating to

t h e cost of general practitioner

s e rv ices should be directed to the

P r e sident of the Social Security

C o m mittee or in cases of need, to the

p a r ish Connétable s.

3 .  Yes.

F urthermore, I am satisfied that the

m edical and nursing staff in the Accident

a nd Emergency Department show a flexible a nd sympathetic approach to the treatment

o f children presenting with illness or

i njury and I am assured that, when it is

n ecessary, treatment is provided.''

Housing consents - questions and answers (Tape No. 240)

Senator Corrie Stein asked Deputy Leonard Norman of St. Clement, President of the Housing Committee, the following questions -

1.  W ould the President tell the

S ta t e s how many consents were

g ra n t e d by the Housing Committee d u ri n g -

( a ) the whole of 1993; and

( b ) the period from 1st January 1994 to d a te ;

u n d er each of -

( i) Regulation 1(1)(g);

( ii ) Regulation 1(1)(j); and ( ii i)  Regulation 1(1)(k);

o f t he Housing (General Provisions)

 ( Jersey) Regulations 1970, as amended?

 2 .  Would the President tell the States how m  an y of the consents granted under

R e g ulation 1(1)(j) were for contract

e m p loyees?''

The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows -

1.  D uring 1993, and for the period to

1 st M  a y 1994, the Housing

C o m m  ittee granted the following

co n s e n ts -

(a ) 1 9 9 3 ( b ) 1 9 9 4 (t o 1 / 5 /9 4

)

R e g . 1(1)(g) 6 0 2 1 R e g . 1(1)(j) 2 4 1 7 0 R e g . 1(1)(k) 1 7 1  

O  f the 81 (g) consents referred to,

a p p roximately half were granted to new a p p licants, the remainder to existing

( g ) residents for new transactions.

T h e breakdown of (j) consents is as f o ll ows -

(a ) 1 9 9 3 ( b ) 1 9 9 4

  ( t o 1 / 5 / 9 4 )

C o n s ents to persons

al r e ad y resident in the

Is l an d as essential

em  p l oyees 9 0 2 4

N e w , additional

co n s e nts 3 2 1 6

C o n s ents to replace

es s e n tial employees

le a v in g the Island 119 3 0

O  f the 18 (k) consents referred to, 8 w  er e granted to new applicants, the

r e m ainder to existing (k) residents for n e w transactions.

 2 .  I am unable to answer this question as d r a fted because employment contracts a r e a matter between employers and

e m p loyees, whereas housing consents

a p p ly only to housing transactions.

H  o wever, I am able to advise that 263

o f t he 311 (j) category consents

g r a nted during this period January 1993 t o M ay 1994 related to essential

e m p loyees on time-restricted consents. O  f the remaining 48, 35 were consents t o n on-restricted essential employees

m  o ving home and 13 were to new

u n r estricted essential employees.''

Residentially qualified children - questions and answers (Tape No. 240)

Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St. Helier asked Deputy Leonard Norman of St. Clement, President of the Housing Committee, the following questions -

1.  W ithin the next two years, we will

h av e th e first batch of

re s id e n tially-qualified children

o f non-qualified parents who,

h av i n g reached the age of 16, will

b e e n ti tled to rent or buy

ac c o m  modation. Would the President in f o rm   the States what policies

th e H o using Committee has

d ev e l o ped to deal with the

li k e li h ood of future situations

d ev e l o ping, where such children

m a y b ecome landlords of their own p ar e n t s?

 2 .  Would the President inform the States

if t he Housing Committee has standard

p o l icies in place to cover the

s it u ation where a residentially-

q u a lified occupier of restricted

a c c ommodation decides to move and are a n y non-qualified co-occupiers of such

a c c ommodation entitled to any minimum p e r iod of notice to quit?

 3 .  In view of the Housing

C o m mittee's stated commitment to house t h e population of the Island, while

g i v ing preference to the native-born

p o p ulation, would the President inform

t h e States to what extent the Housing

C o m mittee feels it has a duty towards

l o ca lly-born children under the age of

1 6 , whose parents do not have

r e si dential qualifications?''

The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows -

1.  T he circumstances described in the

q u es t io n were inevitably going to

ar i se s ometime if immigrants

co m  i n g to Jersey after 1st

Ja n u a r y 1980, decided to remain

h er e an d raise families here.

M e m  b ers will know that in 1979 the S ta t e s decided to amend the

H o u s in g Regulations with effect

fr o m 1 st January 1980, with the

ef f e c t that nobody arriving after

th a t d a te could earn the right to

le a s e o r purchase property on the

b as i s o f long residence alone.

A c hild born in Jersey of non-

re s identially qualified parents will

h a v e the right to rent property at age

s ix t een and buy property at age 20,

p r o vided he has completed an aggregate p e r iod of ten years' residence in the

I s la nd.

M  y Committee is of course concerned at t h e situation the question describes.

I t is for this reason that in 1993 it

a s k ed the States to decide, in

p r in ciple, to amend the Regulations to

a l lo w non-residentially qualified

p e r sons to acquire the right to rent

a n d buy property after 20 years

c o n tinuous ordinary residence in the

I s la nd. The States adopted my

C o m mittee's proposition. The draft

a m e ndment to the Regulations is

c u r rently with the Law Draftsman, along w  it h many other amendments, and should b e l odged sometime during this summer.

 2 .  The question is clearly referring to

t h e position of a lodger. In law, a

l o dger has no right to a minimum notice t o q uit accommodation, whether or not h e i s residentially qualified and

i rr e spective of whether a co-occupying l a nd lord vacates the property or not.

I f s uch rights were afforded to

l o d gers, they would cease to be lodgers a n d assume the status of tenants, a

s ta t us to which they are not entitled

u n d er the Housing Law.

M  y Committee has issued a Code of

P r a ctice recommending that landlords

p r o vide their lodgers with written

t e rm s and conditions of occupation, one

o f w hich being the length of notice to

v a c ate the accommodation required from e i th er party.

 3 .  Non-residentially qualified persons are n o t entitled to rent or purchase

r e si dential accommodation. If they

d e c ide to reside in the Island

r e g ardless of this, they are fully

a w a re that they are restricted to

u n c ontrolled accommodation. If they

d e c ide to have children, then they have t h e responsibility to ensure that they

a r e able to provide satisfactory

a c c ommodation for those children.''

Rouge Bouillon School: approval of drawings

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Education Committee -

 ( a) approved drawings Nos. 2925/4.00-06,

1 1 5 0/3A-8/sk 01, 1150/3A/02-04 and

1 0 . 465/4303A showing the extension and r e fu rbishment of the existing three-

s torey block at Rouge Bouillon School,

S t . Helier;

 ( b) authorised the Greffier of the States t o s ign the said drawings on behalf of t h e States.

Animals (Trapping) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 1994 - P.40/94

THE STATES subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Animals (Trapping) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 1994.

Animals (Trapping) (Jersey) Law 1961: petition P.47/93.

Withdrawn

THE STATES noted that Senator Nigel Lewis Quérée had withdrawn his proposition regarding Animals (Trapping) (Jersey) Law 1961: petition (lodged

au Greffe'' on 13th April 1993).

Traffic and transport policy - P.59/94

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Public Services Committee regarding the development of a traffic and transport policy.

THE STATES, having rejected an amendment of Senator Nigel Lewis Quérée that after paragraph

1. thereshouldbeinserted the following paragraph -
   2. to charge the Public Services

C o m mittee, in developing its traffic an d transport policy, to give effect eq u a lly to each of the following

o b je ctives -

im  p roving accessibility

im  p roving the economy im  p roving safety

im  p roving the environment im  p roving equity'',

adopted the proposition and -

 ( 1) referred to their Act, dated 9th