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STATES MINUTES 2 n d D e c ember 1997
T HE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 2nd December 1997 at 9.30 a.m. under t h e Presidency of the Bailiff ,
S ir P hilip Bailhache
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His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor,
General Sir Michael Wilkes, K.C.B., C.B.E, w a s p r e sent.
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All members were present with the exception of -
R obert Lester Le Brocq, Connétable of St. H elier - out of the Island
M ichael Adam Wavell, Deputy of St.
S aviour - out of the Island
D avid Leon Crespel, Deputy of Trinity - out
o f the Island
J acqueline Jeannette Huet, Deputy of St.
H elier - out of the Island.
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P r a y e rs
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H.M. The Queen and Prince Philip's Golden Wedding Anniversary - reply
The Bailiff informed the Assembly that His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor of Jersey had received the following message from the Private Secretary to Her Majesty The Queen -
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh have a sked me to thank you most sincerely for
y our message of good wishes on the occasion
o f their Golden Wedding, which you have
s ent on behalf of yourself, Bailiff , States
a nd people of Jersey.
H er Majesty and His Royal Highness have v ery fond memories of their visit to Jersey i n 1989, and were touched by your kind
w ords as they mark this happy
a nniversary.''
Subordinate legislation tabled
The following enactments were laid before the States, namely -
1 . Building Bye-Laws (Amendment) ( J er sey) 1997. R & O 9177.
2 . Island Planning (Fees)
( A m endment) (Jersey) Order 1997. R & O) 9178.
Matter presented
The following matter was presented to the States on 25th November 1997 -
C ar park at Le Riches Stores
L imited, Red Houses, St. Brelade : petition ( P.129/97) - report - P.187/97.
P resented by the Planning and
E nvironment Committee.
Matter noted - acceptance of tender
THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee, dated 24th November 1997, showing that, in pursuance of Rule 5 of the
Public Finances (General) (Jersey) Rules 1967,
as amended, the Committee had noted that the Health and Social Services Committee had accepted the second lowest of seven tenders, namely that submitted by Cameron Building Contractors Limited in the sum of £308,933 in a contract period of 23 weeks for the extension of
the Crematorium, Westmount Road, St. Helier . The higher cost of this tender would be offset by
the increased benefit to be obtained by the
lower contract period.
Matters lodged
The following matters were lodged au Greffe'' on 25th November 1997 -
1 . Part of Field 776, Old
B r i ckfield Lane, St. Saviour:
d e v elopment in green zone - P.188/97. P r e sented by the Planning and
E n v ironment Committee.
2 . Draft Financial Services
C o m mission (Jersey) Law 199
( P .1 63/97): amendment - P.189/97
( R e vised).
L o d ged: 11th November 1997.
P r e sented by the Finance and Economics C o m mittee.
Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 9th December 1997
THE STATES confirmed that the following matter, deferred from 18th November 1997, would be considered on 9th December 1997 -
A nne Port Rock Face, St. Martin: remedial w ork - P.153/97.
L odged: 14th October 1997.
D eputy F.J. Hill of St. Martin .
A nne Port Rock Face, St. Martin:
r emedial work (P.153/97): comments - P .170/97.
P resented: 4th November 1997.
F inance and Economics Committee.
THE STATES agreed that the following matters lodged au Greffe'' would be considered at the next meeting on 9th December 1997 -
D raft Financial Services Commission ( Jersey) Law 199 - P.163/97.
L odged: 4th November 1997.
F inance and Economics Committee.
D raft Financial Services Commission
( Jersey) Law 199 (P.163/97): amendment - P .189/97 (Revised).
F inance and Economics Committee.
S t. Helier Waterfront
a rea: acquisition of contested
i nterest - P.171/97.
L odged: 11th November 1997.
P olicy and Resources Committee.
D raft Terms of Employment (Amendment N o. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 199 - P .172/97.
L odged: 18th November 1997.
E mployment and Social
S ecurity Committee.
D raft Royal Court (Possession Orders) ( Jersey) Law 199 - P.175/97.
L odged: 18th November 1997.
L egislation Committee.
P art of Field 776, Old
B rickfield Lane, St. Saviour: development i n green zone - P.188/97.
P lanning and
E nvironment Committee.
J ersey Consumer Council: legal c harges and practices - P.165/97. L odged: 4th November 1997.
S enator R.J. Shenton.
Millennium town park: petition - P.190/97
Deputy Alan Simon Crowcroft of St. Helier presented to the States a petition on behalf of the inhabitants of the Island regarding a Millennium Town Park.
THE STATES referred the petition to the Planning and Environment, Public Services and Policy and Resources Committees, and Deputy Crowcroft lodged au Greffe'' a proposition to the effect that the prayer of the petition be granted.
Leachate at Crabbé and Beauport - questions and answers (Tape No. 419)
Deputy Philip John Rondel asked Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St. Helier , President of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee, the following questions -
1. W ould the President inform members
o f -
( a ) the cost of -
(i ) r e m oving leachate from the C r ab b é s ite since February 1 9 97?
(i i) tr e ating the leachate removed fr o m t he Crabbé site since that
d at e ?
( b ) the financial return to date from th e sa l e of compost from the
C r ab b é site?
2 . Would the President inform members -
( a ) of the volume of leachate that has b ee n r emoved from the Beauport
si te th i s year, and the costs that
it h a s i ncurred in this operation?
( b ) how much longer he expects
le a c h a te to continue to be removed fr o m t his site?''
The President of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee replied as follows -
1.(a)(i) The leachate is, of course, m i x e d w ith rain water that
fa l ls o n t he site and so the
co s t i s f o r the removal by a
co n t r a c to r of all liquid from th e ar e a . The cost from 1st
F e b ru a r y to 31st October has b ee n £43,427.97.
( ii ) No payment has so far been made to th e P u blic Services Committee for
tr e a ti n g the liquid but the charge
fo r t h e period April to September
is £ 4 , 8 14.00
A n y method that ensures soil and ground w at er pollution is minimised has to
h a v e a cost. When the Committee has the f u n ds available to treat the leachate
o n site, however, the cost will
d e c rease and the liquid may well be
i n co rporated into the composting
p r o cess.
( b) The return to date is nil. Currently
w e have approximately1,000 tonnes of c o m post maturing and buyers actively l o o king to purchase. However until the C o m mittee is satisfied that the product i s c onsistently safe, none will be
r e le ased. I am delighted to tell
m em bers that 10 days ago the site was i n sp ected by a member of the Soil
A ss ociation and I quote from that
r e p ort -
T h e S oil Association has, during th e p as t few years, licensed
se v e r a l green waste composting
si te s in the United Kingdom for
p ro d u c tion of compost suitable for u se in organic agriculture. Such
si te s a re a source of sustainable
an d r e newable soil fertility and
fi t in w ell with the organic
et h o s - that which comes from the ea r t h should go back to it.
I in s p e cted the site at Crabbé
o n b e h alf of the Soil Association in N o v ember 1997 to investigate w h e th e r the composted waste
p ro d u c ed at Crabbé would be
el i g ib l e for the Soil Association sy m b o l. This symbol would verify th a t t h e compost meets the
st r in g e nt standards laid down for
o rg a n i c certification and that
th e p ro duct could be used by
o rg a n i c producers. I found the
p ro c e s s and activity at the site
m o s t i mpressive.
S u b je c t to satisfactory analysis
an d p r oviding that the Soil
A s s o ci ation Certification
C o m m ittee approves the process at C r ab b é , it is likely that the
co m p o st will be licensed by the
S o il A ssociation for use by
o rg a n i c and other producers early in th e new year.
Ja n D e anes
S o il A ssociation'.
A ll currently available
i n fo rmation indicates that there is a
s tr o ng potential market, locally and in t h e United Kingdom, for good quality
o r g anic compost.
I w ould not wish members to be left in
a n y doubt, however, that while there
m ay be an element of income, composting c a n never be a wholly self financing
o p e ration.
C o m posting is a means of dealing w it h organic waste, in the same way t h at Bellozanne is a means of dealing
w it h a range of waste. The deliveries
t o t he Crabbé site are equivalent to
o v e r a third of the material delivered
t o B ellozanne. Dealing effectively with
t h is volume of waste is an unavoidable
p r o blem for the Island - 25,000 tonnes
o f a gricultural and household organic
w as te cannot simply be ignored. Members s h o uld be aware that if the composting
o p e ration does not continue the
e n v ironmental effect on the Island will
b e e xtremely serious and cumulative.''
Budget 1998 and amendments - P.185/97 and P.186/97
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Budget for the financial year commencing 1st January
1998, which in accordance with Article 16 of the Public Finances (Administration) (Jersey) Law
1967, as amended, had been presented to the
Assembly on 11th November 1997, by the Finance
and Economics Committee and lodged au Greffe''
and comprised -
( i) the estimate of the revenue income and
o f t he expenditure of the committees of
t h e States;
( ii) t he estimate of the transactions
o f th e capital fund;
( iii) the estimate of the transactions
o f th e trading funds; and
( iv) t he report of the Finance and
E c o n o mics Committee thereon.
THE STATES, having considered the estimates of the revenue income and the expenditure of the various Committees, decided to allow the amounts of the said estimates as detailed in the undermentioned pages of the Budget as follows -
P olicy and Resources Committee - Page 6
F inance and Economics Committee - Pages 8 a nd 9
E stablishment Committee - Page 12
P lanning and Environment Committee - Page 1 5
H ealth and Social Services Committee - Page 1 8
E ducation Committee - Page 21
T HE STATES noted that the Finance and
E conomics Committee was to undertake a
r eview of the provision of school milk, in
c onsultation with the Education, Health and
S ocial Services and Employment and Social S ecurity Committees, and would present
r ecommendations to the States early in
1 998. The Finance and Economics Committee w ould meet the cost of the provision of
s chool milk from the General Reserve until
2 8th February 1998, pending a decision by
t he States on the recommendations arising
f rom the review.
P ublic Services Committee - Page 24
A griculture and Fisheries Committee - Page 2 7
T ourism Committee - Page 30 D efence Committee - Page 34
E mployment and Social Security Committee - P age 37
H ousing Committee - Page 40
H ouse Committee - Page 42
L egislation Committee - Page 42
S port, Leisure and Recreation Committee - P age 44
P rison Board - Page 47
E tat Civil Committee - Pages 50 and 51
O verseas Aid Committee - Pages 50 and 51
G ambling Control Committee - Pages 50 and 5 1
C ottage Homes Committee - Pages 50 and 51 B roadcasting Committee - Pages 50 and 51
H arbours and Airport Committee - La
C ollette Reclamation Scheme - Pages 50 and
5 1
S pecial Committee to consider the
r elationship between Committees and the S tates - Pages 50 and 51
T RADING COMMITTEES
H arbours and Airport Committee H ar bours - Pages 52 and 53.
A ir port - Pages 55 and 56.
T elecommunications Board - Pages 58 and 59.
C ommittee for Postal Administration - Pages 6 1 and 62.
THE STATES noted a credit of revenue expenditure for each of the undermentioned Committees as shown on page 3 of the Budget as follows -
£ Policy and Resources Committee 1 7 8,000 Finance and Economics Committee 22,180,800 Establishment Committee 3 , 0 4 7 ,000
Planning and Environment Committee 2,266,000
Health and Social Services Committee 72,365,0 00
Education Committee 5 5 ,5 0 0 , 000
Public Services Committee 1 5 ,2 72,500
Agriculture and Fisheries Committee 7,156,000 Tourism Committee 7 , 3 6 2 ,0 0 0
Defence Committee 1 9 ,3 8 4 , 0 00
Employment and Social Security Committee 46,2 13,000
House Committee 4 , 0 0 0 Legislation Committee 7 7 ,0 0 0
Sport, Leisure and Recreation Committee 3,600 ,000
Prison Board 4 ,0 0 9 , 0 0 0
Etat Civil Committee 6 6 , 0 0 0
Overseas Aid Committee 2 ,7 0 0 , 000 Cottage Homes Committee 1 6 4 , 0 0 0 Broadcasting Committee 4 ,0 0 0
Special Committee to Consider the
Relationship
between Committees and the States 1 0,000
THE STATES, referring to the summary of income and revenue expenditure appearing on page 67, agreed the total revenue expenditure in the sum
of £390,901,400, being £324,414,100 from non- trading Committees and £66,487,300 from Trading Committees; the total income in the sum of £148,254,000, being £63,074,800 from non-trading Committees, £81,725,200 from Trading Committees and £3,454,000 return from the Financial
Services Commission; and, having allowed for the total investment income in the sum of £3,000,000 and the estimated transfer to trading funds of £13,077,450, agreed the amount to be transferred
to the general reserve in the sum of
£27,000,000.
THE STATES noted that, on the basis of levels of taxation proposed by the Finance and Economics Committee, the surplus on the revenue account to be transferred to the capital fund amounted to £10,980,250.
Having allowed for a balance of £30,612,800 to be brought forward at 1st January 1998, the transfer from the strategic reserve of £10,000,000, and taking into account the capital repayments and receipts of £30,200,000, the States noted that there would be available in
the capital fund the sum of £81,793,050.
THE STATES then proceeded to consider the estimates of capital expenditure recommended by the Finance and Economics Committee on pages 64 and 65 of the Budget and -
N ON-TRADING COMMITTEES
T he estimate of the capital expenditure of t he Finance and Economics Committee
a ppearing on page 64 of the Budget was
a llowed.
T he estimate of the capital expenditure of t he Establishment Committee appearing on p age 64 of the Budget was allowed.
T he estimate of the capital expenditure of t he Health and Social Services Committee a ppearing on page 64 of the Budget was
a llowed.
T he estimate of the capital expenditure of
t he Education Committee appearing on page 6 4 of the Budget was allowed.
C onsideration of the estimate of the
c apital expenditure of the Public Services C ommittee commenced.
T HE STATES adopted an amendment of Deputy P hilip John Rondel of St. John and
i ncreased from £2,750,000 to £4,100,000
t he amount of Vote No. C0452 Foul Sewer
E xtensions''.
M embers voted as follows -
P o u r'' (36) S enators
S h e nton, Rothwell, Stein, Bailhache , T o m es, Norman, Walker , Kinnard.
C onnétables
S t . Clement, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, S t . Brelade, St. Peter , Grouville , St. S a v iour, St. Martin , St. Jean, Trinity .
D eputies
W a vell(S), Coutanche(L), S.
B a u dains(H), Le Geyt(S), Pullin(S),
D u hamel(S), Breckon(S), Grouville ,
S t . Martin, St. John, Le Main(H),
B l a mpied(H), Rabet(H), Crowcroft (H), de l a H aye(B), Le Cornu(C), St. Pierre,
S t . Ouen.
C o n tre'' (11)
S enators
H o rsfall, Quérée. D eputies
H . Baudains, Le Sueur, St. Mary, J o h ns(H), Routier(H), Dorey(H), L a y zell(B), Vibert (B), Dubras(L).
THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed that the outstanding matters in the Budget and other items of public business should stand over until Wednesday, 3rd December 1997.
Deputy M.A. Wavell of St. Saviour - attendance
Deputy M. A. Wavell of St. Saviour , having returned to the Island, was present for the afternoon meeting and for part of the consideration of the Budget debate.
THE STATES rose at 5.56 p.m.
G .H .C . C O P P O C K G re f fi e r o f the States.