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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday, 20th November 2002 at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Philip Bailhache .
All members were present with the exception of -
S e nator Corrie Stein - out of the Island
S e nator Terence Augustine Le Sueur - ill
P h ilip Francis Ozouf , Connétable of St. Saviour - out of the Island S h irley Margaret Baudains, Deputy of St. Helier - out of the Island R o bin Charles Hacquoil, Deputy of St. Peter - out of the Island
Prayers
Draft Telecommunications (Transfer) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P .204/2002 Comments: P.204/2002 Com.
THE STATES commenced consideration of the draft Telecommunications (Transfer) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P.204/2002, and adopted the preamble.
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (37) Senators
Horsfall, Le Maistre, Bailhache , Syvret, Norman, Kinnard.
Connétable s
Grouville , St. Martin, St. Ouen, St. Brelade, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clem Trinity .
Deputies
H. Baudains(C), St. Mary, Trinity , Duhamel(S), Routier(H), Breckon(S), Grouville , Huet(H), St. Martin St. John, Le Main(H), Dubras(L), St. Ouen, G. Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Troy (B), Voisin(L), Scott Warr (S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H), Bridge(H).
"Contre" (0)
Regulations 1 to 18 and Schedules 1 to 3 were adopted.
THE STATES, in pursuance of Articles 32, 33, 36 - 39, 41, 43, 46 and 65 of the Telecommunications (Jersey) Law 2002, made Regulations entitled the Telecommunications (Transfer) (Jersey) Regulations 2002.
Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to the consideration of this item.
Draft Telecommunications (Jersey) Law 2002 (Appointed Day) (No. 2) Act 200- P .196/2002 THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 68 of the Telecommunications (Jersey) Law 2002, made an Act entitled the Telecommunications (Jersey) Law 2002 (Appointed Day) (No. 2) Act 2002.
Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to the consideration of this item.
Machinery of Government: departmental structure - allocation and monitoring of public sector manpower numbers - P.192/2002, Comments - P.192/2002 Com. and Com. (2).
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee, referred to their Act dated 24th July 2002 in which they approved the departmental structure for the ministerial system of government, together with the transitional arrangements for the period leading up to the introduction of the ministerial system, and -
ag reed that responsibility for the functions currently exercised by the Human Resources Committee in
relation to the allocation and monitoring of public sector manpower numbers should be transferred from the Human Resources Committee to the Finance and Economics Committee with effect from 12th December 2002.
Machinery of Government: structure of the Executive - P.191/2002 Comments P.191/2002 Com., Com. (2) and Com. (3).
Amendments P.191/2002 Amd. and Amd.Com.
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee on the Machinery of Government: structure of the Executive, and adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that -
a t the end of sub-paragraph (ii), the words"except that paragraph 2.5 of the Appendix shall be deleted and
subsequent paragraphs renumbered accordingly" should be inserted.
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (22)
Senators
Le Maistre, Bailhache , Syvret, Kinnard.
Connétable s
Grouville , St. Martin, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, Trinity . Deputies
Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin, St. Ouen, G. Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Troy (B Le Hérissier(S), Martin(H), Southern (H).
"Contre" (20)
Senators
Horsfall, Norman, Walker . Connétable s
St. Ouen, St. Clement, St. Helier. Deputies
H. Baudains(C), Trinity , Routier(H), Layzell(B), Grouville , St. John, Vibert (B), Dubras(L), Voisin(L) Scott Warr en(S), Farnham (S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H), Bridge(H).
THE STATES adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that at the end of sub-paragraph (iii), there be inserted the words -
" e x cept that in paragraph 3.1 of the Appendix after the wordscirculated for' there be inserted the word public', and after the word consultation,' there be inserted the words subjected to the States scrutiny function'.
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (45)
Senators
Horsfall, Le Maistre, Quérée, Bailhache , Syvret, Norman, Walker , Kinnard, Le Claire, Lakeman. Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Ouen, St. Brelade, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clement, St. H Trinity .
Deputies
H. Baudains(C), St. Mary, Trinity , Duhamel(S), Routier(H), Layzell(B), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin St. John, Le Main(H), Vibert (B), Dubras(L), St. Ouen, G. Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Troy (B), Scott Warr (S), Farnham (S), Le Hérissier(S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Southern (H).
"Contre" (1)
Deputy
Voisin(L).
The Deputy of Grouville declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to consideration of this amendment.
THE STATES rejected an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that -
i n paragraph 3.2 of the Appendix after the words Ministers and' the remainder of paragraph be deleted and
the following words be substituted will have responsibility for organising its agenda and place and time of meetings, which shall be done in co-operation with the Ministers.'
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (21) Senators
Le Maistre, Bailhache , Syvret, Kinnard, Le Claire. Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Brelade, St. Mary.
Deputies
Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin, St. John, Vibert (B), St. Ouen, G. Baudains(C), Troy (B Le Hérissier(S), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Southern (H).
"Contre" (25)
Senators
Horsfall, Quérée, Norman, Walker , Lakeman.
Connétable s
St. Ouen, St. Lawrence, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clement, St. Helier, Trinity . Deputies
H. Baudains(C), St. Mary, Trinity , Routier(H), Layzell(B), Le Main(H), Dubras(L), Dorey(H), Voisin(L Scott Warr en(S), Farnham (S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H),
The Deputy of Grouville declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to consideration of this amendment.
THE STATES rejected amendments of Senator Stuart Syvret that -
i n paragraph 3.3 of the Appendix, in the fourth bullet point, after the words Council meetings' there be
inserted the words although the States Greffe shall be responsible for the recording and retention of the official Minutes of Council decisions, to which all members of the States shall have access';
and that
a t the end of paragraph 3.4 of the Appendix there be inserted the words The States Greffe shall have
responsibility for the recording and retention of corporate management board minutes, to which all members of the States shall have access'.
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (14)
Senators
Le Maistre, Syvret, Kinnard, Le Claire. Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Mary.
Deputies
Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), St. Martin, St. John, G. Baudains(C), Troy (B), Martin(H), Southern (H).
"Contre" (33)
Senators
Horsfall, Quérée, Bailhache , Norman, Walker , Lakeman.
Connétable s
St. Ouen, St. Saviour, St. Brelade, St. Lawrence, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clement, St. Helier, Trinity . Deputies
H. Baudains(C), St. Mary, Trinity , Routier(H), Layzell(B), Huet(H), Le Main(H), Vibert (B), Dubras(L St. Ouen, Dorey(H), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S), Farnham (S), Le Hérissier(S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H), Bridg
(H).
The Deputy of Grouville declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to consideration of this amendment.
THE STATES rejected an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that -
i n paragraph 3.4 of the Appendix after the wordsdepartments of the executive.' the remainder of paragraph
be deleted and substituted with the following words In this capacity the Chief Executive will co-operate with heads of departments to ensure the efficient management and implementation of Council of Ministers functions, responsibilities and decisions'.
Members present voted as follows -
"Pour" (13) Senators
Le Maistre, Bailhache , Syvret, Kinnard, Le Claire. Deputies
Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. John, St. Ouen, G. Baudains(C), Martin(H), Southern (H). "Contre" (34)
Senators
Horsfall, Quérée, Norman, Walker , Lakeman. Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Ouen, St. Saviour, St. Brelade, St. Lawrence, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clem St. Helier, Trinity .
Deputies
H. Baudains(C), St. Mary, Trinity , Routier(H), Layzell(B), St. Martin, Le Main(H), Vibert (B), Dubras(L Dorey(H), Troy (B), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S), Farnham (S), Le Hérissier(S), Ozouf (H), Fox(H), Bridg (H).
The Deputy of Grouville declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to consideration of this amendment.
THE STATES then adjourned consideration of the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee and of the outstanding amendments of Senator Stuart Syvret.
Connétable of St. Saviour - attendance
The Connétable of St. Saviour, having returned to the Island, arrived in the Chamber during consideration of the amendments of Senator Stuart Syvret to the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning Machinery of Government: structure of the Executive, and was present for the remainder of the meeting.
Draft Royal Bank of Canada (Jersey) Law 2000 (Appointed Day) (No. 2) Act 200- P .201/2002
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 1 of the Royal Bank of Canada (Jersey) Law 2000, made an Act entitled the Royal Bank of Canada (Jersey) Law 2000 (Appointed Day) (No. 2) Act 2002.
Five Oaks Roundabout, St. Saviour: transfer of administration of land - P.207/2002. Comments - P.207/2002 Com. and Com.(2).
THE STATES adopting a proposition of the Housing Committee -
( a ) approved the transfer of administration from the Housing Committee to the Public Services Committee
of 325 square feet of land forming part of the site formerly known as Highbury House and Stranton, Five Oaks, St. Saviour, as shown as a thick black line on drawing No. 631/01/21 for the purpose o realigning the kerb to allow for the installation of a pedestrian refuge; and
( b ) authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said drawing on behalf of the States.
States Abattoir, La Collette, St. Helier: transfer of administration- P.208/2002. Comments - P.208/2002 Com. and Com.(2).
THE STATES adopting a proposition of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee -
( a ) approved the transfer of administration from the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee to the Harbours
and Airport Committee of an area of land totalling 16,083 square feet at the States Abattoir, La Collette, St. Helier (as shown bold-edged on Drawing No. P 565 04), 13,004 square feet of which was to be use for boat parking, the remaining 3,079 square feet to be leased to the Jersey Electricity Company Limited;
( b ) agreed that, notwithstanding the transfer of administration, the annual rental income received by the
Harbours and Airport Committee from the lease of the said land to the Jersey Electricity Company Limited should be transferred by that Committee to the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.
Draft Island Planning (Exempt Operations) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P.209/2002. (r-eissue)
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 5(2)(iv) of the Island Planning (Jersey) Law 1964, as amended, made Regulations entitled Island Planning (Exempt Operations) (Jersey) Regulations 2002.
Adjournment
THE STATES then adjourned, having adopted a proposition of Senator Jean Amy Le Maistre that the States should meet the following day, Thursday 21st November 2002 to resume consideration of the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning the Machinery of Government: structure of the Executive (P.191/2002 lodged "au Greffe" on 22nd October 2002) and associated amendments.
THE STATES rose at 5.40 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States.