States Minutes 6th October 2005

THE STATES assembled on Thursday 6th October 2005, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Philip Bailhache .

All members were present with the exception of –

S e nator Richard Joseph Shenton – ill

K e nneth Priaulx   Vibert , Connétable of St.  Ouen–  out of the Island K e nneth Alan Le  Brun, Connétable of St.  Mary–  out of the Island T h omas John du Feu, Connétable of St.  Peter – out of the Island

D a vid Leon Crespel, Deputy of Trinity – ill

P e ter Nicholas Troy , Deputy of St.  Brelade – ill

C e lia Joyce Scott   Warr en, Deputy of St.  Saviour–  ill

Prayers read by the Greffier of the States.

Matters lodged

The following matters were lodged "au Greffe" –

Draft Emergency Powers and Planning (Amendment No.  2) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.220/2005. Presented by Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire, and referred to the Policy and Resources

Committee.

Private hospital development: Scrutiny Review. P.221/2005. Presented by Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire and referred to the Policy and Resources,

the Economic Development and the Health and Social Services Committees.

Draft Standing Orders of the States of Jersey – P.162/2005 Amendments and Comments

THE STATES resumed consideration of the draft Standing Orders of the States of Jersey and noted that Standing Order 97 had been withdrawn by the Privileges and Procedures Committee.

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 98 to 104.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Standing Order 105 and adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that in paragraph  (2)(h), there be deleted the words"comment upon or".

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 105, as amended. THE STATES adopted Standing Order 106.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Standing Order 107 and rejected an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that after paragraph  (1), there be inserted the following paragraphs and that the remaining paragraphs be renumbered accordingly –

" ( 2)  When a member of the States makes a declaration of an interest in the subject matter of a proposition, but is not required by paragraph (1) to withdraw, another member of the States may propose without notice that the interest declared is of sufficient relevance to the subject matter of the proposition that the

member be required to withdraw from the Chamber for the duration of the debate and any vote on the proposition.

( 3 ) The member of the States who made the declaration may speak again before the proposer replies at the

conclusion of the debate upon the proposal.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 4 CONTRE: 34 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St.  John Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy T.J. Le  Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy R.G. Le  Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES, following consideration, adopted Standing Order 107.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 27 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator S. Syvret Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator L. Norman Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator F.H. Walker Connétable of Grouville

Senator W. Kinnard Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin Deputy of St.  John

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 108 and 109.

THE STATES noted that Standing Orders 110 and 111 had been withdrawn by the Privileges and Procedures Committee.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Standing Order 112 and adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that –

( a ) in the table in paragraph  (1), for items 2 and 3 in the first column, there be substituted the following

items –

"2 . se lection of Ministers

3 . a p pointment of chairman of the PPC"; ( b ) there be deleted paragraph  (3).

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 18 CONTRE: 12 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le  Sueur Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence

Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St.  Peter

Connétable of Grouville Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 112, as amended.

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 113 and 114.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 115, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that – ( a ) In paragraph (1) after the words"nomination of" insert the words "an elected member as";

( b ) after paragraph  (2) insert the following paragraph –

"( 3 ) In this standing order "elected member" –

(a ) in c l u d es a person who has been elected as a Senator, Deputy or Connétable , but who has not

yet taken his or her oath of office; and

(b ) d o es n ot include a Senator, Deputy or Connétable whose term of office expires upon a person

mentioned in sub-paragraph  (a) taking his or her oath of office."

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 116, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that in paragraph (5) for the word"20", there be substituted the word "40".

THE STATES commenced consideration of Standing Order 117, and adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that Standing Order 117 be renumbered as Standing Order 118 and vice versa.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 117, as amended.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 118, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that for paragraphs (5) and (6), there be substituted the following paragraphs –

" (5 )      If more than one person is nominated, the presiding officer shall then, according to the order in which the candidates were nominated, invite each candidate to speak for up to 10  minutes.

( 6 ) After a candidate has spoken, the presiding officer shall allow up to 20  minutes for elected

members to question the candidate.

( 7 ) W hile a candidate is speaking or being questioned, other candidates must withdraw from the

Chamber to a place where they cannot hear the proceedings in it.

(8 ) W hen the speeches and questions are concluded, a secret ballot shall be held.

( 9 ) T he candidate who receives more than half of the votes cast is selected for appointment and

assignment to the Ministerial office proposed.",

and that the remaining paragraphs in Standing Order 118 be renumbered and the cross-reference in them accordingly.

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 119 to 125.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 26 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 2 Senator L. Norman Deputy of St.  John Senator P.F. Routier

Senator F.H. Walker Senator M.E.   Vibert Senator W. Kinnard

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Lawrence

Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L)

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy L.J. Farnham (S)

Deputy R.G. Le  Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)

Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)

Deputy of St.  Peter

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 126 to 133.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 134, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that for paragraph  (3), there be substituted the following paragraph –

" ( 3)  An elected member cannot be a member of more than 2 scrutiny panels and can only be chairman of one.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 27 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator S. Syvret Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 135 to 137. THE STATES adopted Standing Order 138. Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 20 CONTRE: 10 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Senator W. Kinnard Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St.  Martin Deputy of St.  John Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St.  Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 139 to 150.

THE STATES granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment that at the beginning of Part 8 of the draft Standing Orders of the States of Jersey, there be inserted the following new Standing Order –

" 1 50A I n terpretation of Part 8 and Schedule  2

In   th i s  P a r t a nd Schedule  2"member of the States" does not include the Lieutenant-Governor.".

THE STATES commenced consideration of Standing Order 151 and granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that in the heading, there be deleted the words "Elected members'", and for the words "an elected member" in each place where they appeared, there be substituted the words "a member of the States", and for the words "the elected member", there be substituted the words "the member of the States".

THE STATES adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that in Standing Order 151, after paragraph  (1), there be inserted the following paragraph and the remaining paragraph be renumbered accordingly –

" ( 2)  The requirement to register applies to all interests, whether received, arising, held or owned within or outside Jersey.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 30 CONTRE: 4 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy R.G. Le  Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Connétable of Grouville Deputy of St.  John

Deputy of St.  Ouen Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 151, as amended.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 27 CONTRE: 4 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret Connétable of Grouville Senator L. Norman Deputy of St.  John

Senator F.H. Walker Deputy of St.  Ouen Senator W. Kinnard Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H) Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire

Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St.  Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 152, having granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment that –

( a ) after paragraph  (1), there be inserted the following paragraph –

" (2 ) A member of the States who is not an elected member must, not less than 30 days after the day the day on which this standing order comes into force and, after that, not less than 30  days after the day on which he or she is appointed to the office by virtue of which he or she is a member of the States, complete a return of his or her interests that must be registered and submit it to the Greffier.";

( b ) for the words "An elected member" in paragraphs (2) to (5), there be substituted the words "A member

of the States";

and the paragraphs in Standing Order 152 be renumbered accordingly.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 153, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that paragraph (3) be deleted, having granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment that in paragraph (1) for the words"elected members", there be substituted the words "members of the States".

THE STATES adopted Standing Orders 154 to 160 together with Schedules 1 and 3.

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 161, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that – ( a ) for paragraph  (3), there be substituted the following paragraph –

" ( 3) The Minister for Treasury and Resources must, at least 15 working days before any binding arrangement is made for the disposal, acquisition, letting or rental of land on behalf of the public of Jersey which does not, by virtue of paragraph  (2), require the prior agreement of the States, present to the States a document setting out the recommendation which he or she has accepted.";

( b ) after paragraph  (3), there be inserted the following paragraph –

" ( 4 )     Nothing in this standing order requires the States to agree, or the Minister for Treasury and

Resources to accept or present to the States any information regarding, the grant, renewal, extension or variation

of a tenancy that is terminable upon giving one month's notice or less."

and that the remaining paragraph in Standing Order 161 be renumbered accordingly. THE STATES adopted Standing Orders162 to 168.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Schedule  2 and granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment that –

( a ) in the heading, and in each place where they appeared, for the words "elected members", there be

substituted the words "members of the States";

( b ) for the words "an elected member" in each place where they appeared (with the exception of paragraph  1

(4) and, if adopted, paragraph  1(5)), there be substituted the words"a member of the States";

( c ) for the words "the elected member" in each place where they appeared, there be substituted the words

"the member of the States"; and,

( d ) for the words "elected members" in each place where they appeared, there be substituted the words

"members of the States".

THE STATES commenced consideration of Schedule  2, paragraph  1 and adopted an amendment of Senato Stuart Syvret that in sub-paragraph  (1) after the word"person", there be inserted the words "company, trust, professional association, union, political party or other organisation'.

THE STATES granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw an amendment that after sub-paragraph  (4), there be added the following sub-paragraph –

" ( 5)  A member of the States who is not an elected member is not required to register remuneration which he or she receives in respect of the office by virtue of which he or she is a member of the States.".

THE STATES adopted paragraph  1 of Schedule  2, as amended. THE STATES adopted paragraph  2 of Schedule  2.

THE  STATES  commenced  consideration  of  paragraph  3  of  Schedule  2,  as  amended  by  the  Privileges  and Procedures Committee that in paragraph  3(1), there be inserted the word"any" before the word "company" where it first appeared, and adopted an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that after sub-paragraph  (2), there be added the following sub-paragraph –

" ( 3)  For the purposes of this paragraph, a person owns shares if he or she owns them in his or her own name or if the shares are held, on his or her behalf, or for his or her benefit, by any other person.".

THE STATES adopted paragraph  3 of Schedule  2, as amended.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 29 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Connétable of St. Saviour Senator S. Syvret Connétable of Grouville Senator L. Norman Connétable of St. John Senator F.H. Walker Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Senator T.A. Le  Sueur Deputy of St.  John

Senator P.V.F. Le  Claire Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of St.  Mary Deputy of St.  Ouen Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph  4 of Schedule  2 and rejected an amendment of Senato Stuart Syvret that the following paragraph be substituted –

" 4  Financial and other support

(1 ) A n elected member must register the name and address of any person, company, trust, professional

association, union, political party or other organisation who gives him or her money or any other benefit for the purpose of enabling the member to remain as, or carry out his or her duties as an elected member.

(2 ) P aragraph  (1) does not apply to any money or benefit given to an elected member pursuant to any

enactment or to any remuneration that the elected member is not required to register.

(3 ) W hen registering the name and address of the person or organisation giving the money or benefit,

the member of the States must state the amount of any money given and the monetary value of any benefit given.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 12 CONTRE: 24 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of Grouville

Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES rejected a further amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that at the end of sub-paragraph (3) of paragraph 4 of Schedule 2, there be added the words "and state its monetary value".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 17 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard

Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES adopted paragraph 4 of Schedule 2.

THE STATES rejected an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that after paragraph  4 of Schedule  2, there b inserted the following new paragraph and that the remaining paragraphs be renumbered accordingly –

" 5  Trusts

(1 ) A n elected member must register the name and address of any trust of which he or she or his or

her spouse or cohabitee, is a beneficiary.

( 2 ) W hen registering the name and address of the trust, the elected member must provide a brief

description of any benefit received from the trust.

( 3 ) A n elected member is not required to declare the name and address of any trust of which the

member is a beneficiary of which the member is not aware.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 5 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator W. Kinnard

Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)

Deputy R.G. Le  Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph  5 of Schedule  2 and rejected an amendment of Senato Stuart Syvret that at the end of sub-paragraph  (2), there be added the words"and state its monetary value".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 17 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator S. Syvret

Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard

Senator M.E.   Vibert Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St.  Martin Deputy of St.  John

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Senator T.A. Le  Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville

Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St.  Mary Deputy of St.  Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES adopted paragraph  5 of Schedule  2.

THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph 6 of Schedule 2 and rejected an amendment of Senato Stuart Syvret that it be renumbered as sub-paragraph (1) and that there be added the following sub-paragraph –

" ( 2)  The elected member must also state the amount of the costs paid by the person or organisation.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 6 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E.   Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES noted that, consequential to the rejection of the above amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret to paragraph 6 of Schedule 2, his amendment to Standing Order 151 that, at thebeginning of paragraph (3), there be inserted the words "Save as specified in Schedule 2,", was deemed to have been withdrawn.

THE STATES adopted paragraph 6 of Schedule 2.

THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph  7 of Schedule  2 and granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvre to withdraw his amendment that for sub-paragraph  (1), there be substituted the following sub-paragraphs and the remaining paragraphs be renumbered accordingly –

" ( 1) An elected member must register a description of any land sufficient to identify it, which is wholly owned, or jointly owned with another person –

(a ) b y or on behalf of the elected member or his or her spouse or cohabitee; or

(b ) b y or on behalf of the elected member and his or her spouse or cohabitee jointly.

( 2 ) No declaration is required in respect of land so owned which is the principal place of residence of the

elected member or of his or her spouse or cohabitee.".

THE STATES granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw his amendment that after sub-paragraph  (2), there be added the following sub-paragraph –

" ( 3) An elected member must register a brief description of any land sufficient to identify it, in which he or she, or his or her spouse or cohabitee, has any legal, prospective, usufructuary, equitable or beneficial interest which is not otherwise to be required to be registered under this paragraph, apart from any such interest in land which is the principal place of residence of the elected member or of his or her spouse or cohabitee.".

THE STATES adopted paragraph 7 of Schedule 2, as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee tha in paragraph 7(2), there be inserted the words"spouse or" before the word "cohabitee".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 18 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St.  John

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St.  Martin Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

THE STATES granted leave to Senator Stuart Syvret to withdraw his amendment that after paragraph  7 of Schedule 2, there be inserted the following new paragraph and that the remaining paragraph be renumbered accordingly –

"8 O rganisations

A n   e le c te d   m  ember must register the name and address of any organization of which he or she is a

member, affiliate, subscriber, supporter or donor.".

THE  STATES  commenced  consideration  of  paragraph  8  of  Schedule  2,  as  amended  by  the  Privileges  and Procedures Committee that in paragraph 8(1), for the words"his spouse", there be substituted the words "his or her spouse", and adopted an amendment of Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St.  Helier that in paragraph  8, there be deleted sub-paragraph  (2) and the numbering of sub-paragraph  (1).

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 25 CONTRE: 8 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St.  Martin Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy R.G. Le  Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

THE STATES adopted paragraph  8 of Schedule  2, as amended.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 26 CONTRE: 7 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator J.A. Le  Maistre Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E.   Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St.  John

Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy G.W.J. de  Faye (H)

Connétable of St. John

Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St.  Martin

Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St.  Mary

Deputy of St.  Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St.  Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

THE STATES adopted Standing Order 1 as amended by the Privileges and Procedures Committee that in paragraph  (1) –