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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 4th November 2009, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire. __________________
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Stuart Syvret – en défaut
Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 2.15 p.m.)
Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.50 a.m.)
Senator Alan John Henry Maclean – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.17 a.m.)
Connétable Kenneth Priaulx Vibert of St. Ouen – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.35 a.m.) Connétable Michael Keith Jackson of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.50 a.m.) Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.00 a.m.) Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.35 a.m.) Deputy Daniel John Arabin Wimberley of St. Mary – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.35 a.m.) Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.53 a.m.)
Deputy Anne Teresa Dupré of St. Clement – ill
__________________
Prayers __________________
Documents presented or laid
Committee of Inquiry into the management of the Health and Social Services Department P.145/2009. (P.145/2009): comments. Com.(2)
Presented: 4th November 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources
Budget Management Report for the 6 month period to 30th June 2009. R.121/2009. Presented: 4th November 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Deputy Bailiff – welcome
The Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, on behalf of all Members, formally welcomed Mr. William James Bailhache , Deputy Bailiff , who was Presiding for the first time.
Senator Stuart Syvret – attendance
THE STATES rejected a proposition by Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade , made in accordance with Standing Order 53(3), that the reason for the absence of Senator Stuart Syvret was such that he should be excused attendance.
Members present voted as follows –
563 Price code: B
POUR: 0 CONTRE: 43 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator A. Breckon
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Draft Shops (Regulation of Opening and Deliveries) (Jersey) Law 200- P.111/2009
THE STATES resumed consideration of the Draft Shops (Regulation of Opening and Deliveries) (Jersey) Law 200- and, adopting paragraph (a) of an amendment of Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Clement , agreed that in paragraph (1) of Article 4 there should be omitted the words ", Christmas Day".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 30 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator J.L. Perchard
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of an amendment of Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Clement to the Draft Shops (Regulation of Opening and Deliveries) (Jersey) Law 200-, agreed that after paragraph (2) in Article 4, there should be inserted the following paragraph and the remaining paragraphs renumbered accordingly –
"(3) Regulations made under paragraph (1) may not include provision empowering the
Minister, by Order, to designate Good Friday or Liberation Day as a special occasion for the purposes of this Law.".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 8 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator T.J. Le Main Senator P.F. Routier Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator B.E. Shenton Connétable of Grouville Senator F.E. Cohen Connétable of St. Peter Senator J.L. Perchard Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Senator A. Breckon Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Senator A.J.D. Maclean Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Senator B.I. Le Marquand Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES adopted Article 4, as amended.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
THE STATES adopted Articles 5 to 12 and the Schedule.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 42 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Shops (Regulation of Opening and Deliveries) (Jersey) Law 200-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Committee of Inquiry into the management of the Health and Social Services Department P.145/2009
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Health, Social Security and Housing Scrutiny Panel concerning the establishment of a Committee of Inquiry into the management of the Health and Social Services Department.
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier that the meeting should be adjourned.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 23 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator F.E. Cohen Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence
STATES MINUTES
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
4th November 2009
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
THE STATES, following further consideration of the proposition entitled Committee of Inquiry into the management of the Health and Social Services Department' (P.145/2009), adopted a proposition of the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, that the meeting should be adjourned.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 36 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator B.E. Shenton Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 5th November 2009 to continue consideration of the Committee of Inquiry into the management of the Health and Social Services Department (P.145/2009) and the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.40 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States