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States Minutes 21st October 2010

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THE STATES assembled on Thursday 21st October 2010, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire. __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Senator Frederick Ellyer Cohen – en défaut

Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.36 a.m.)

Deputy  Carolyn  Fiona   Labey  of   Grouville  excused  attendance  (arrived  in  the  Chamber  at 12.15 p.m.) Deputy Shona Pitman of St. Helier – ill

Deputy Michael Roderick Higgins of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.10 a.m.)

Deputy Deborah Jane De Sousa of St. Helier – ill

__________________

Prayers read by the Deputy Bailiff __________________

Notification of lodged propositions

Draft Magistrate's Court (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Law  P.155/2010. 201-.

Lodged: 21st October 2010.

Chief Minister.

Jersey Finance Ltd.: matched funding P.126/2010

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier to express their support for the principle of matched funding for Jersey Finance Ltd. on a £ for £ basis, excluding any allowance for pro bono' work, between the States of Jersey and the private sector; and to request the Minister for Economic Development to apply that principle to the 2012 grant to the company.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 8   CONTRE: 37  ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)


 Senator T.A. Le Sueur

  Senator P.F. Routier

  Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

  Senator T.J. Le Main

  Senator B.E. Shenton

  Senator J.L. Perchard

  Senator S.C. Ferguson

  Senator A.J.H. Maclean

  Senator B.I. Le Marquand

  Senator F. du H. Le Gresley   Connétable of St. Ouen

  Connétable of St. Helier

  Connétable of Trinity

  Connétable of Grouville

433   Price code: B

  Connétable of St. Brelade

  Connétable of St. Saviour

  Connétable of St. Clement

  Connétable of St. Peter

  Connétable of St. Lawrence   Connétable of St. Mary

  Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

  Deputy of St. Martin

  Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)   Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

  Deputy of St. Peter

  Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

  Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)   Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)   Deputy of Trinity

  Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

  Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

  Deputy of St. John

  Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

  Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

  Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

  Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

  Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

States Members' remuneration: reconsideration of 2011 increase and repeal of Article 44 of the States of Jersey Law 2005 P.127/2010

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton concerning the  remuneration  of  States  Members  and,  adopting  an  amendment  the   Deputy  of   St. Mary  to paragraph (a), agreed that the words "in light of current and projected economic circumstances" should be deleted.

THE STATES rejected an amendment of Deputy Judith Ann Martin of St. Helier that in paragraph (b) of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton, for the words "taking account of factors such as the positions of official responsibility held by elected members" there should be substituted the words "including the reintroduction of a means-tested system of remuneration which takes account of the total income of each individual States member,".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 13   CONTRE: 26  ABSTAIN: 1

Senator A. Breckon   Senator P.F. Routier   Connétable of Grouville Senator F. du H. Le Gresley   Senator T.J. Le Main

Connétable of St. Helier   Senator B.E. Shenton

Connétable of St. Clement   Senator S.C. Ferguson

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)   Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville   Connétable of Trinity

Deputy of Trinity   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy M. Tadier (B)   Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)   Connétable of St. Lawrence

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)


Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton, as amended, concerning the remuneration of States Members and, adopting a proposition of Senator Francis du Heaume Le Gresley, agreed in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 84, that the matter should be put to the vote.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 25 CONTRE: 16 ABSTAIN: 2

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator T.J. Le Main Senator J.L. Perchard Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator A. Breckon

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)


Senator B.E. Shenton Deputy of St. John

THE STATES adopted paragraph (a) of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton, as amended, and –

  1. (requested the Privileges and Procedures Committee to) request the States Members' Remuneration  Review  Body  to review  its  recommendation  for  an  £800  increase  in remuneration for elected members from 1st January 2011 as set out in R.93/2010.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 28   CONTRE: 12  ABSTAIN: 5

Senator P.F. Routier   Senator T.A. Le Sueur   Connétable of Trinity Senator P.F.C. Ozouf   Senator B.I. Le Marquand   Connétable of Grouville Senator T.J. Le Main   Connétable of St. Ouen   Connétable of St. Brelade Senator B.E. Shenton   Connétable of St. Saviour   Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Senator J.L. Perchard   Connétable of St. Clement   Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Senator A. Breckon   Connétable of St. Mary

Senator S.C. Ferguson   Deputy of St. Martin

Senator A.J.H. Maclean   Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley   Deputy of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Connétable of St. Martin   Deputy of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Peter   Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Connétable of St. Lawrence

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES rejected paragraph (b) of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton, as amended, requesting the Privileges and Procedures Committee to

  1. agree that Article 44 of the States of Jersey Law 2005, which currently prevented the payment  of  different  amounts  of  remuneration  or  allowances  to  different  elected members, should be repealed and to agree that, following its repeal, the States Members' Remuneration  Review  Body  should  be  requested  to bring  forward  a  scheme  of differential remuneration for elected members for 2012 and beyond, taking account of factors such as the positions of official responsibility held by elected members ensuring that there was nevertheless no overall increase (other than any normal annual inflationary increase) in the total budget for States members' remuneration;

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 13 CONTRE: 31 ABSTAIN: 2

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator A.J.H. Maclean Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)


Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)


Connétable of Grouville Deputy of St. John

Following the rejection of paragraph (b), the Presiding Officer informed the Assembly that paragraph (c) of the proposition was deemed to have been withdrawn.

Changes in Presidency

The Deputy Bailiff retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Judith Ann Martin of St. Helier to paragraph (b) of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton concerning the remuneration of States Members and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States until the lunch adjournment. The States re-assembled after the lunch adjournment under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff .

Arrangement of public business for future meetings

THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –

2nd November 2010

Sites of Special Interest: removal from list. Lodged: 7th July 2010.

Senator J.L. Perchard.

Sites of Special Interest: removal from list (P.96/2010) – comments. Presented: 13th September 2010.

Minister for Planning and Environment.


P.96/2010.

P.96/2010. Com.

Draft Community Provisions (Bovine Embryos) (Jersey) Regulations 201-.  P.115/2010. Lodged: 17th August 2010.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

Draft Health Insurance Fund (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Jersey) Law 201-.  P.125/2010. Lodged: 13th September 2010.

Minister for Social Security.

Reg's Skips Limited – Planning Applications (R.118/2010): compensation and further  P.130/2010. action.

Lodged: 28th September 2010.

Senator B.E. Shenton.

Reg's Skips Limited – Planning Applications (R.118/2010): compensation and further  P.130/2010. action (P.130/2010) – amendment.  Amd. Lodged: 4th October 2010.

Deputy of St. John .

Reg's Skips Limited – Planning Applications (R.118/2010): compensation and further  P.130/2010. action (P.130/2010) – third amendment.  Amd.(3) Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

Reg's Skips Limited – Planning Applications (R.118/2010): compensation and further  P.130/2010. action (P.130/2010) – fourth amendment.  Amd.(4) Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley.

Minister for Planning and Environment: powers.  P.132/2010. Lodged: 5th October 2010.

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour .

Esplanade Quarter: deferment of works and endorsement of Development Agreement.  P.136/2010. Lodged: 7th October 2010.

Deputy of St. John .

Children (Jersey) Law 2002: appointment of children's guardians and advocates in certain  P.137/2010. court proceedings.

Lodged: 7th October 2010.

Deputy of St. Martin .

Postal services: direction and guidance to the Jersey Competition Regulatory Authority.  P.138/2010. Lodged: 7th October 2010.

Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .

Rent control: removal of exemptions.  P.139/2010. Lodged: 8th October 2010.

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley.

Jersey Post: petition.  P.140/2010. Lodged: 11th October 2010.

Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier .

Draft Employment (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law 2010 (Appointed Day) Act 201-.  P.142/2010. Lodged: 12th October 2010.

Minister for Social Security.

Fiscal Policy Panel: re-appointment of members.  P.146/2010. Lodged: 13th October 2010.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Jersey Police Complaints Authority: re-appointment of member.  P.147/2010. Lodged: 18th October 2010.

Minister for Home Affairs.

16th November 2010

Planning and Building Law: repeal of Minister's power to grant permission that is  P.78/2010. inconsistent with the Island Plan.

Lodged: 10th June 2010.

Senator B.E. Shenton.

North of Town Masterplan (Revised).  P.103/2010. Lodged: 19th July 2010.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

North of Town Masterplan (Revised) (P.103/2010): addendum.  P.103/2010. Presented: 3rd August 2010.  Add. Minister for Planning and Environment.

North of Town Masterplan (Revised) (P.103/2010): second amendment.  P.103/2010. Lodged: 9th August 2010.  Amd.(2) Deputy A.K.F. Green of St. Helier .

Sustainable Transport Policy.  P.104/2010. Lodged: 19th July 2010.

Minister for Transport and Technical Services

Social Security Scheme: amendments.  P.117/2010. Lodged: 20th August 2010.

Senator A. Breckon.

User Pays charges: use of the trade marks "Jersey Royal" or "Jersey Royals" (words) and  P.119/2010. the Jersey Royal Logo.

Lodged: 20th August 2010.

Minister for Economic Development.

Samarès Nursery site, St. Clement : removal from draft Island Plan – petition.  P.131/2010. Lodged: 1st October 2010.

Connétable of St. Clement .

Draft Policing of Parks (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 201-.  P.135/2010. Lodged: 6th October 2010.

Minister for Transport and Technical Services.

Income Support: mortgage payments.  P.149/2010 Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .

Jersey Financial Services Commission: imposition of fines.  P.150/2010. Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Senator A. Breckon.

Rezoned Sites: assessment of housing needs.  P.152/2010. Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Deputy of St. John .

Social Security Fund: a new method of funding.  P.154/2010. Lodged: 20th October 2010.

Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .

30th November 2010

Media Relations: Code of Conduct.  P.100/2010. Lodged: 15th July 2010.

Privileges and Procedures Committee.

Media Relations: Code of Conduct (P.100/2010) – amendment.  P.100/2010. Lodged: 2nd September 2010.  Amd. Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour .

Draft Freedom of Information (Jersey) Law 201-.  P.101/2010. Lodged: 19th July 2010.

Privileges and Procedures Committee.

Draft Freedom of Information (Jersey) Law 201- (P.101/2010): comments.  P.101/2010. Presented: 6th October 2010.  Com. Council of Ministers.

Draft Intellectual Property (Unregistered Rights) (Jersey) Law 201-.  P.141/2010. Lodged: 12th October 2010.

Minister for Economic Development.

Draft Employment (Amendment No. 6) (Jersey) Law 201-.  P.143/2010. Lodged: 12th October 2010.

Minister for Social Security.

Draft Harbours (Protection of Cables in Territorial Waters) (Jersey) Regulations 201-.  P.144/2010. Lodged: 13th October 2010.

Minister for Economic Development.

Freedom of Information: implementation plan.  P.145/2010. Lodged: 13th October 2010.

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour .

Draft Housing (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 27) (Jersey) Regulations 201-.  P.151/2010. Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Minister for Housing.

Draft Rates (Amendment of Law) (Jersey) Regulations 201-.  P.153/2010 Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Comité des Connétable s.

7th December 2010

Jersey Financial Services Commission: Companies' Register.  P.87/2010. Lodged: 22nd June 2010.

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier .

Jersey Financial Services Commission: Companies' Register (P.87/2010) – comments.  P.87/2010. Presented: 28th September 2010.  Com. Minister for Economic Development.

Draft Income Tax (Amendment No. 36) (Jersey) Law 201-.  P.121/2010. Lodged: 27th August 2010.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Draft Magistrate's Court (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Law  P.155/2010. 201-.

Lodged: 21st October 2010.

Chief Minister.

18th January 2011

Draft Loi (No. 7) (201-) concernant la charge de Juge d'Instruction.  P.148/2010. Lodged: 19th October 2010.

Chief Minister.

THE STATES rose at 4.24 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States