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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 8th December 2010, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire. __________________
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Deputy Collin Hedley Egré of St. Peter – ill
Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade – ill
Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.36 a.m.)
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Prayers __________________
Documents presented or laid
States of Jersey Complaints Board: findings – complaint against a decision of the R.144/2010. Minister for Planning and Environment regarding No. 49 St. Mark's Road/Byron Lane,
St. Helier .
Presented: 8th December 2010.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Notification of lodged propositions
Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 P.157/2010. (P.157/2010): seventh amendment (P.157/2010 Amd.(7)) – amendment. Amd.(7)Amd. Lodged: 8th December 2010.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Withdrawal of lodged propositions
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposer of the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that it had been withdrawn –
Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 P.157/2010. (P.157/2010): sixth amendment (paragraph (b)). Amd.(6) Lodged: 22nd November 2010. (paragraph (b)) Senator F. du H. Le Gresley.
581 Price code: B
THE STATES resumed consideration of an amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier to paragraph (b) of the Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 (P.157/2010), that after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words "except that, in Summary Table B States Income 2011' on page 74 the estimate of total income for 2011 shall be decreased by £15 million by maintaining the rate of Goods and Services Tax at 3% until May 31st 2011"; and continued consideration of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier that in paragraph (1) of that amendment, for the words "May 31st 2012" there should be substituted the words "December 31st 2011".
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Senator James Leslie Perchard, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 84, that the debate on the matter be put to the vote.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator T.J. Le Main Senator A. Breckon
Senator B.E. Shenton Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Brelade
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of St. Martin
Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Connétable of Grouville Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy of Grouville
Connétable of St. Clement Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Connétable of St. Peter Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES resumed consideration of an amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier to paragraph (b) of the Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 (P.157/2010), and adopting an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , agreed that in paragraph (1) of the amendment, for the words "May 31st 2012" there should be substituted the words "December 31st 2011".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 29 CONTRE: 22 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
THE STATES rejected an amendment of Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson that in paragraph (1) of the amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier to paragraph (b) of the Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 (P.157/2010), after the words "until May 31st 2012" there should be inserted the words "and the estimate of the revenue raised shall be amended by cancelling any planned increases in Income Tax exemptions".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 8 CONTRE: 38 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.L. Perchard Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Clement Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator A. Breckon
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H)
THE STATES rejected an amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier , as amended by the Connétable of St. Helier , that in paragraph (b) of the Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 (P.157/2010), after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –
"except that, in Summary Table B States Income 2011' on page 74 the estimate of total income for 2011 shall be decreased by £15 million by maintaining the rate of Goods and Services Tax at 3% until December 31st 2011;".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
STATES MINUTES
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
8th December 2010
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy Bailiff 's ruling under Standing Order 167(4)
The Deputy Bailiff made a ruling in relation to the circulation of papers within the Chamber by Members who had already spoken within a debate. The Deputy Bailiff , in accordance with Standing Order 167(4), ruled that the circulation of such papers constituted a second speech and was therefore contrary to Standing Order 103(1). However, he determined that if any Member who had yet to speak within a debate wished to have a document circulated as part of their speech, then that would be acceptable.
Arrangement of future business
THE STATES agreed to meet, if necessary, on Friday 10th December 2010 in order to complete public business.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 6 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator B.E. Shenton
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Mary
Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 9th December 2010, to continue consideration of the Expenditure Proposals for 2012 and 2013 and Draft Budget Statement 2011 (P.157/2010) and the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.40 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States