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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 4th December 2013, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire.
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Sir Philip Martin Bailhache – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 10.30 a.m.) Connétable John Martin Refault of St. Peter – en défaut
Deputy Shona Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.56 a.m.)
Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.29 a.m.)
Deputy James Patrick Gorton Baker of St. Helier – absent on States' business
Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Peter – ill
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Prayers
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Documents presented or laid
Long-Term Care Scheme (S.R.11/2013): response of the Minister for Social Security. S.R.11/2013. Presented: 4th December 2013. Res. Minister for Social Security.
Draft Budget Statement 2014 P.122/2013
THE STATES resumed consideration of the Draft Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013), and rejected paragraph (e) of an amendment of Deputy John Hilary Young of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 4)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –
"(e) the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £1,000,000 by
zero-rating or exempting from Goods and Services Tax from 1st July 2014 any expenditure on the installation and maintenance of energy conservation measures (including plant, equipment and materials) from local suppliers and contractors;".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. John Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of St. Helier
439 Price code: B
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (f) of an amendment of Deputy John Hilary Young of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 4)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –
"(f) the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £200,000 by
zero-rating from Goods and Services Tax from 1st July 2014 on the purchasing, importation and leasing of Ultra Low Emission vehicles (vehicles falling within the definition of the UK Office for Low Emission Vehicles, currently an emission level below 75g/Km of CO2);".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 19 CONTRE: 28 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Brelade
Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
THE STATES commenced an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –
"except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased –
- by £989,000 by increasing duty on all categories of alcohol by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by the percentages proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;
- by £866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not by 11% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;
- by £100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by 2% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;".
THE STATES rejected paragraph (i) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£989,000 by increasing duty on all categories of alcohol by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not" there should be substituted the words "£1,254,000 by not increasing duty on all categories of alcohol".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 15 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
Changes in Presidency
The Deputy Bailiff briefly retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States, until his return.
Draft Budget Statement 2014 P.122/2013
THE STATES resumed consideration of the Draft Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013), and rejected paragraph (ii) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not" there should be substituted the words "£1,466,000 by not increasing duty on tobacco".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 8 CONTRE: 40 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence
STATES MINUTES 4th December 2013
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (iii) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not" there should be substituted the words "£399,000 by not increasing duty on fuel".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
THE STATES, adopting an amendment of the Minister for Treasury and Resources (P.122/2013 Amendment (2) Amendment (2)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier to paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, agreed that for paragraph (i) there should be substituted the following paragraph –
"(i) by the amounts shown below by amending duties on alcohol for the items listed below in
the following manner and not as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement –
- increasing the duty on wines by 3.6% (a decrease of £101,000);
- increasing the duty on beers and ciders exceeding 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv by 3% (a decrease of £85,000);
- introducing a new lower band of duty on beers and ciders exceeding 1.2% abv but not exceeding 2.8% abv (a nil decrease), with this new band of duty being calculated at 50% of the duty rate for beers in the 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv band;".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25 CONTRE: 23 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator L.J. Farnham
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy of St. John Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
THE STATES, having resumed consideration of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)) as amended, agreed that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –
"except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased –
(i) by the amounts shown below by amending duties on alcohol for the items listed below in the following manner and not as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement –
- increasing the duty on wines by 3.6% (a decrease of £101,000);
- increasing the duty on beers and ciders exceeding 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv by 3% (a decrease of £85,000);
- introducing a new lower band of duty on beers and ciders exceeding 1.2% abv but not exceeding 2.8% abv (a nil decrease), with this new band of duty being calculated at 50% of the duty rate for beers in the 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv band;".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 5
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Senator L.J. Farnham Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (ii) of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words "except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not by 11% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 16 CONTRE: 32 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Mary
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (iii) of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , agreed that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words "except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by 2% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 31 CONTRE: 16 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator A. Breckon Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Mary Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Connétable of St. Helier Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of Trinity Senator F. du H. Le Gresley
Connétable of St. Clement Senator I.J. Gorst
Connétable of St. Lawrence Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. John
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 5th December 2013 to continue consideration of the Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013) as amended and the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.24 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States