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States Minutes 4th December 2013

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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 4th December 2013, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire.

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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Senator Sir Philip Martin Bailhache – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 10.30 a.m.) Connétable John Martin Refault of St. Peter – en défaut

Deputy Shona Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.56 a.m.)

Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.29 a.m.)

Deputy James Patrick Gorton Baker of St. Helier – absent on States' business

Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Peter ill

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Prayers

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Documents presented or laid

Long-Term Care Scheme (S.R.11/2013): response of the Minister for Social Security.  S.R.11/2013. Presented: 4th December 2013.  Res. Minister for Social Security.

Draft Budget Statement 2014 P.122/2013

THE STATES resumed consideration of the Draft Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013), and rejected paragraph (e)  of  an  amendment  of   Deputy  John  Hilary  Young  of   St. Brelade  (P.122/2013 (Amendment 4)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –

"(e)  the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £1,000,000 by

zero-rating  or  exempting  from  Goods  and  Services  Tax  from  1st  July  2014  any expenditure  on  the  installation  and  maintenance  of  energy  conservation  measures (including plant, equipment and materials) from local suppliers and contractors;".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 14   CONTRE: 33  ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. John Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)


 Senator P.F. Routier

  Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

  Senator S.C. Ferguson

  Senator A.J.H. Maclean

  Senator B.I. Le Marquand

  Senator F. du H. Le Gresley  Senator I.J. Gorst

  Senator L.J. Farnham

  Senator P.M. Bailhache

  Connétable of St. Helier

439   Price code: B

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary


Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

THE STATES rejected paragraph (f) of an amendment of Deputy John Hilary Young of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 4)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –

"(f) the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £200,000 by

zero-rating from Goods and Services Tax from 1st July 2014 on the purchasing, importation and leasing of Ultra Low Emission vehicles (vehicles falling within the definition of the UK Office for Low Emission Vehicles, currently an emission level below 75g/Km of CO2);".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 19 CONTRE: 28 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham

Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)


Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Martin

THE STATES commenced an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)) that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –

"except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased –

  1. by £989,000 by increasing duty on all categories of alcohol by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by the percentages proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;
  2. by £866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not by 11% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;
  3. by £100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by 2% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement;".

THE STATES rejected paragraph (i) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£989,000 by increasing duty on all categories of alcohol by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not" there should be substituted the words "£1,254,000 by not increasing duty on all categories of alcohol".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 15 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)


Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy J.H. Young (B)

Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

Changes in Presidency

The Deputy Bailiff briefly retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States, until his return.

Draft Budget Statement 2014 P.122/2013

THE STATES resumed consideration of the Draft Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013), and rejected paragraph (ii) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not" there should be substituted the words "£1,466,000 by not increasing duty on tobacco".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 8 CONTRE: 40 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham

Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Lawrence

STATES MINUTES  4th December 2013

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy J.H. Young (B)

Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

THE STATES rejected paragraph (iii) of an amendment of Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)(Amendment)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , that for the words "£100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not" there should be substituted the words "£399,000 by not increasing duty on fuel".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 22 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. Mary


Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

THE STATES, adopting an amendment of the Minister for Treasury and Resources (P.122/2013 Amendment (2) Amendment (2)) to the amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier to paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, agreed that for paragraph (i) there should be substituted the following paragraph –

"(i) by the amounts shown below by amending duties on alcohol for the items listed below in

the following manner and not as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement –

  1. increasing the duty on wines by 3.6% (a decrease of £101,000);
  2. increasing the duty on beers and ciders exceeding 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv by 3% (a decrease of £85,000);
  3. introducing a new lower band of duty on beers and ciders exceeding 1.2% abv but not exceeding 2.8% abv (a nil decrease), with this new band of duty being calculated at 50% of the duty rate for beers in the 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv band;".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 25 CONTRE: 23 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity


Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator L.J. Farnham

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy of St. John Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)


Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.H. Young (B)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

THE STATES, having resumed consideration of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier (P.122/2013 (Amendment 2)) as amended, agreed that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words –

"except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased –

(i)  by the amounts shown below by amending duties on alcohol for the items listed below in the following manner and not as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement –

  1. increasing the duty on wines by 3.6% (a decrease of £101,000);
  2. increasing the duty on beers and ciders exceeding 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv by 3% (a decrease of £85,000);
  3. introducing a new lower band of duty on beers and ciders exceeding 1.2% abv but not exceeding 2.8% abv (a nil decrease), with this new band of duty being calculated at 50% of the duty rate for beers in the 2.8% abv but not exceeding 4.9% abv band;".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 40 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 5

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)


Senator L.J. Farnham Deputy of St. Mary


Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

THE STATES rejected paragraph (ii) of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words "except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £866,000 by increasing duty on all tobacco products by 4.5% (being the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% plus 3%) and not by 11% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 16 CONTRE: 32 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)


Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of Grouville

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

  Deputy M. Tadier (B)

  Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)   Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

  Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)   Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

  Deputy of St. John

  Deputy J.H. Young (B)

  Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

  Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (iii) of an amendment of the Connétable of St. Helier , agreed that in paragraph (a) of the Budget Statement 2014, after the words "as set out in the Budget Statement" there should be inserted the words "except that the estimate of income from taxation during 2014 shall be decreased by £100,000 by increasing duty on fuel by the June 2013 RPI figure of 1.5% and not by 2% as proposed in the Draft Budget Statement".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31   CONTRE: 16  ABSTAIN: 1

Senator A. Breckon   Senator P.F. Routier   Connétable of St. Mary Senator S.C. Ferguson   Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator L.J. Farnham   Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Connétable of St. Helier   Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of Trinity   Senator F. du H. Le Gresley

Connétable of St. Clement   Senator I.J. Gorst

Connétable of St. Lawrence   Senator P.M. Bailhache

Connétable of St. John   Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Ouen   Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Saviour   Deputy of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville   Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)   Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)   Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)   Deputy of St. John

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)   Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)

Deputy of St. Ouen   Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Deputy J.H. Young (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)

Deputy R.J. Rondel (H)

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 5th December 2013 to continue consideration of the Budget Statement 2014 (P.122/2013) as amended and the outstanding items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 5.24 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States