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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 23rd September 2020, at 9.30 a.m. under
the Presidency of the Bailiff , Timothy John Le Cocq , Esquire.
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson – ill
Connétable John Michael Le Bailly of St. Mary – excused attendance (joined at 9.57 a.m.)
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Prayers
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Standing Order 55A – meeting held remotely
THE STATES assembled remotely, in accordance with Standing Order 55A, as the Bailiff considered that it was not possible to convene or maintain a quorate meeting in view of a substantial risk to the health of both States Members and the public.
Documents presented
Land Transactions under Standing Order 168(3): Bellozanne Sewerage Treatment Site R.99/2020. – Acquisition of an Area of Adjoining Field No. H1209, West Hill, St. Helier . Presented: 23rd September 2020.
Minister for Infrastructure.
Notification of lodged propositions
Migration and Population Data. P.120/2020. Lodged: 23rd September 2020.
Deputy J.H. Perchard of St. Saviour .
Senators and Deputies: removal of citizenship requirement P.75/2020
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade entitled Senators and Deputies: removal of citizenship requirement' (P.75/2020), as amended, and rejected paragraph (a) of the proposition that the requirement that Senators, Connétable s and Deputies must be British citizens should be replaced by a requirement that they must be British or Irish citizens, or qualifying citizens of a Commonwealth or European Union country.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 23 CONTRE: 24 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator I.J. Gorst Senator L.J. Farnham Deputy I. Gardiner (H) Senator T.A. Vallois Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré
Senator K.L. Moore Connétable of St. Clement
Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Saviour
Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)
Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of Grouville
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of the proposition, as amended, agreed that a person should have a continuous period of residence of 5 years, and be "entitled for work" under Regulation 4(2)(a) of the Control of Housing and Work (Residential and Employment Status) (Jersey) Regulations 2013, to be eligible to stand for election as a Senator, Connétable or Deputy .
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 21 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator L.J. Farnham Deputy R. Labey (H)
Senator K.L. Moore Senator T.A. Vallois
Senator S.W. Pallett Senator S.Y. Mézec
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy of Grouville Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Martin Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C)
Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S)
Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H)
Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)
Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (c) of the proposition that, for a person who was Jersey-born, there should be no requirement to have been ordinarily resident in Jersey for a set period of time prior to election day to be eligible for election to the States.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 16 CONTRE: 30 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Senator S.W. Pallett Senator T.A. Vallois
Senator S.Y. Mézec Senator K.L. Moore
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of Grouville
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Connétable of St. John
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Connétable of Trinity
Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy I. Gardiner (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy J.H. Young (B)
Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C)
Deputy K.F. Morel (L)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy J.H. Perchard (S)
Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (d) of the proposition, requested the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward the necessary legislative changes to the States of Jersey Law 2005 and the Connétable s (Jersey) Law 2008.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 23 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator K.L. Moore Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator T.A. Vallois Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy of Trinity Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)
Mobile Speed Cameras P.91/2020
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Connétable of St. John entitled Mobile Speed Cameras' (P.91/2020) and, adopting an amendment of the Connétable of St. John (P.91/2020 Amd.), agreed that –
for the words "Home Affairs" there should be substituted the word "Infrastructure";
after the words "Honorary Police to use" there should be inserted the word "unattended"; and
after paragraph (a) there should be inserted the following new paragraph and the subsequent paragraph should be re-designated accordingly –
"(b) permit the data recorded by such cameras to be admissible as evidence in any criminal
case;".
THE STATES rejected a proposition of the Connétable of St. Brelade that, in accordance with Standing Order 83(1)(a) the matter should be referred back to the Connétable of St. John in order that further information relating to the proposition could be provided to the Assembly.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 19 CONTRE: 28 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator K.L. Moore
Senator S.W. Pallett
Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy of St. Mary Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy of Trinity Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Connétable of St. John , as amended, and, adopting paragraph (a), requested the Minister for Infrastructure to bring forward legislation to enable the Honorary Police to use unattended mobile speed cameras.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 33 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore
Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of the proposition, requested the Minister for Infrastructure to bring forward legislation to permit the data recorded unattended mobile speed cameras to be admissible as evidence in any criminal case.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25 CONTRE: 22 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Mary Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy of St. Mary Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy of Trinity
Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore
Senator S.W. Pallett
Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (c) of the proposition to request the Minister for Infrastructure to bring forward legislation to introduce stricter sentences for motorists who are found guilty of travelling 30 miles per hour or more over the speed limit.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 21 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of Trinity
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore
Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L)
Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of the Connétable of St. John entitled Mobile Speed Cameras' (P.91/2020) and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Dr. Mark Egan, Greffier of the States. The Bailiff returned to the Chamber during consideration of the same proposition and the meeting continued under his Presidency.
Establishment of a digital register for all commercial and residential properties P.93/2020
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Michael Roderick Higgins of St. Helier entitled Establishment of a digital register for all commercial and residential properties' (P.93/2020).
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that Friday 25th September 2020 would be added as a continuation day for the present meeting.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 36 CONTRE: 6 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore
Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy of Grouville
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 24th September 2020 to continue consideration of the proposition of Deputy Michael Roderick Higgins of St. Helier entitled Establishment of a digital register for all commercial and residential properties' (P.93/2020) and the other outstanding items of public business listed for the meeting.
THE STATES rose at 5.41 p.m.
DR. M. EGAN Greffier of the States