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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 17th July 2024, at 9.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Timothy John Le Cocq .

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His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor, Vice-Admiral Jeremy Paul Kyd, C.B.E. was present. __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Connétable Deidre Wendy Mezbourian of St. Lawrence – ill

Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – absent on States business

Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – absent on States business Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 9:40 a.m.)

Deputy Raluca Stefana Kovacs of St. Saviour – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 9:50 a.m.)

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –

Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour

Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour

Deputy Beatriz Borges de Sousa Vaz Moreno Porée of St. Helier South Deputy Max Brennan Andrews of St. Helier North

Fully funding education or training for all 16-18 year olds P.38/2024

THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of Deputy Inna Gardiner of St. Helier North entitled Fully funding education or training for all 16-18 year olds' (P.38/2024) and rejected paragraph (a) that all 16 to 18-year-olds should be eligible for fully funded education or professional training in Jersey and that the Minister for Education and Lifelong Learning be requested to implement any necessary changes to the existing provision prior to September 2025.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 13 CONTRE: 31 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy B. Ward

Following the adoption of paragraph (a), the Deputy Bailiff informed the Assembly that paragraph (b) of the proposition was deemed to have been withdrawn.

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Inna Gardiner of St. Helier North and rejected paragraph (c) to request the Minister for Education and Lifelong Learning to undertake a review of education legislation and policy with a view to increasing participation in education or professional training for all young people up to the age of 18.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 17 CONTRE: 27 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of Trinity

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy I. Gardiner Connétable of Grouville

Deputy K.L. Moore Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy D.J. Warr Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy J. Renouf Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Draft Taxation (Common Reporting Standard and United States of America) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- P.39/2024

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Taxation (Common Reporting Standard and United States of America) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- and adopted the principles.

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant Scrutiny Panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Regulations 1 to 3.

THE STATES made Regulations entitled the Taxation (Common Reporting Standard and United States of America) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 2024 under Article 2 of the Taxation (Implementation) (Jersey) Law 2004.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 41 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

New Healthcare Facilities Programme P.43/2024

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Hospital Review Panel entitled New Healthcare Facilities Programme' (P.43/2024), and rejected paragraph (a) to request the Council of Ministers to bring forward a standalone proposition seeking the States Assembly's approval of the funding proposals for delivery of Phase 1 in respect of the New Healthcare Facilities Programme in order that the funding proposals might be debated before the Draft Government Plan 2025-2028.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 13 CONTRE: 30 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy B. Ward

THE STATES rejected paragraph (b) to request the Council of Ministers to ensure that, prior to the debate of any proposition in which the States Assembly's approval of the funding New Healthcare Facilities project was sought, the indicative costs associated with future phases of the New Healthcare Facilities Programme were presented to the Assembly.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 15 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy B. Ward

Children, Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel – appointment of member

In accordance with Standing Order 125(7) the Chair of the Children, Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel indicated that she wished to increase the size of the Panel to 4 members, including the Chair, and nominated Deputy Helen Mary Miles of St. Brelade as a member of the Panel.

There being no other nominations, the Presiding Officer declared that Deputy Helen Mary Miles of St. Brelade had been duly appointed as a member of the Children, Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel.

Arrangement of public business for future meetings

THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –

10th September 2024

Minimum Wage: Increase to Match the Living Wage. P.19/2024. Lodged: 5th April 2024, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier North .

Minimum Wage: Increase to Match the Living Wage (P.19/2024) – Children's Rights P.19/2024. Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 5th April 2024, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier North .

Draft Statistics and Census (Jersey) Amendment Law 202-. P.29/2024. Lodged: 14th May 2024, Chief Minister.

Draft Statistics and Census (Jersey) Amendment Law 202-. (P.29/2024) – Children's P.29/2024. Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 14th May 2024, Chief Minister.

Draft Statistics and Census Law 202- (P.29/2024): amendment. P.29/2024. Lodged: 11th June 2024, Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache of St. Clement . Amd.

Draft Statistics and Census Law 202- (P.29/2024): amendment. (P.29/2024 Amd.) – P.29/2024. Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Amd.Add. Presented: 11th June 2024, Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache of St. Clement .

Draft Statistics and Census (Jersey) Amendment Law 202- (P.29/2024): amendment P.29/2024. (P.29/2024 Amd.) – amendment. Amd.Amd. Lodged: 19th June 2024, Chief Minister.

Draft Statistics and Census (Jersey) Amendment Law 202- (P.29/2024): amendment P.29/2024. (P.29/2024 Amd.) – amendment (P.29/2024 Amd.Amd.) – Children's Rights Impact Amd.Amd. Assessment. Add. Presented: 19th June 2024, Chief Minister.

Draft Agriculture (Loans) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202-. P.41/2024. Lodged: 14th June 2024, Minister for Sustainable Economic Development.

Draft Agriculture (Loans) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202-. (P.41/2024) – P.41/2024. Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Lodged: 14th June 2024, Minister for Sustainable Economic Development.