States Minutes 27 November 2024

THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 27th November 2024, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of

Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States.  __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Connétable Deidre Wendy Mezbourian of St. Lawrence – ill

Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour – en défaut (défaut raised at 09:51 a.m.)

Deputy Lucy Kate Frances Stephenson of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – parental responsibilities

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –  

Connétable Richard Anthony Kingston Honeycombe of St. Ouen Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour

Deputy Catherine Dolores Curtis of St. Helier Central

Deputy Rosemary Esther Binet of Grouville and St. Martin

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 P.51/2024

THE STATES, resuming consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, rejected an amendment of the Economic and International Affairs Scrutiny Panel (P.51/2024 Amd.(20)) that –

in paragraph (g), after the words "Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that, for the purpose of maintaining the Government of Jersey grants to Jersey Business and Digital Jersey at a sufficient level, in Summary Table 5(i) –

1. the expenditure for Economic Development, Tourism, Sport & Culture' should be increased by £286,000; and
2. the expenditure for Central Reserve' should be decreased by £286,000."

in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report", there should be inserted the words –

", except that, on page 47, figures in the line "Arm's Length and Regulatory Organisations" in Table 14 should be reduced by £286,000 in each year".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 18  CONTRE: 27  ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy K.M. Wilson

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Changes in Presidency

The Greffier of the States retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of the Economic and International Affairs Scrutiny Panel to the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, and the meeting continued under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff .

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that the Assembly would meet until 8.30 p.m. on Thursday 28th November 2024, adjourning at 5.30 p.m. that day for a period of 15 minutes before continuing at 5.45 p.m.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 33  CONTRE: 10  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Connétable of St. Peter   Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Martin Deputy R.J. Ward

STATES MINUTES

Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews

27 November 2024

Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy A. Howell

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Changes in Presidency

The Deputy Bailiff retired from the Chamber after consideration of the proposition of the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee and the meeting continued under the Presidency of the Bailiff .

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 P.51/2024

THE STATES, resuming consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, rejected an amendment of Deputy Sir Philip Martin Bailhache of St. Clement (P.51/2024 Amd.), that –

in paragraph (g), after the words "Appendix 2 – Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report" there should be inserted the words –

" , except that in Summary Table 5(i) the head of expenditure for Grants to States Funds shall be increased by £10,000,000 to £129,821,000, to adjust the States grant to the Social Security Fund back to the full formula value.".

in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

" , except that on page 85, in Table 48: Social Security Fund, the Grant to Social Security Fund row shall be increased by £10,000,000 in both 2025 and 2026, to £90,368,000 and £91,936,000, respectively, and on page 76, Table 40: Consolidated Fund shall be adjusted to reflect a decrease of £10,000,000 for both 2025 and 2026".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 21 CONTRE: 25 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy A. Howell

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Changes in Presidency

The Bailiff retired briefly from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Sir Philip Martin Bailhache of St. Clement to the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States, until the Bailiff 's return.

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 28th November 2024 in order to continue consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended and the other outstanding items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 5.22 p.m.

L.-M. HART

Greffier of the States