States Minutes 28 November 2024

THE STATES assembled on Thursday 28th November 2024, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Timothy John Le Cocq .

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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Deputy Mary Rose Scott of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.49 a.m.)

Deputy Lucy Kate Frances Stephenson of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – parental responsibilities

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –  

Connétable Richard Anthony Kingston Honeycombe of St. Ouen Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour

Deputy Catherine Dolores Curtis of St. Helier Central

Deputy Rosemary Esther Binet of Grouville and St. Martin

Documents presented

Proposed  Budget  (Government  Plan)  2025-2028  (P.51/2024):  ninth  amendment  P.51/2024. (P.51/2024 Amd.(9)) – second amendment (P.51/2024 Amd.(9).Amd.(2) – Children's  Amd.(9). Rights Impact Assessment.  Amd.(2).Add. Presented: 28th November 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Tackling Fraud and Error.  R.174/2024. Presented: 28th November 2024, Comptroller and Auditor General.

Notification of lodged propositions

Proposed  Budget  (Government  Plan)  2025-2028  (P.51/2024):  ninth  amendment  P.51/2024. (P.51/2024 Amd.(9)) – second amendment.  Amd.(9). Pillar 2 Allocations.  Amd.(2). Lodged: 28th November 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Withdrawal of lodged propositions

THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposer of the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that it had been withdrawn –

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 (P.51/2024): fourteenth amendment.  P.51/2024. Jersey Cheshire Homes.  Amd.(14). Lodged: 11th November 2024, Deputy I. Gardiner of St. Helier North .  (re-issue).

Urgent Oral Question –

Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade asked the following question of the Minister for Sustainable Economic Development which the Bailiff had allowed in accordance with Standing Order 15 relating to urgent oral questions –

"Will the Minister advise whether there have been any discussions concerning Condor's decision to remove the Clipper service in the weeks preceding Christmas, whether the vessel is being used on an alternative route during this period and if these changes are linked in any way to the delays in awarding the tender for future ferry services?"

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 P.51/2024

THE STATES, resuming consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, rejected an amendment of Deputy Karen Margaret Wilson of St. Clement (P.51/2024 Amd.(17), that –

in paragraph (g), after the words "set out in Appendix 2 – Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that, in Summary Table 5 (ii) –

1. the Head of Expenditure entitled "Le Squez" should be increased by £2,500,000; and
2. the Head of Expenditure entitled "Infrastructure Rolling Vote and Public Realm" should be decreased by £2,500,000".

in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that –

1. on Page 55, within Table 23, the line entitled "Le Squez" should be replaced as follows –

"; and

2. on Page 55, for the words "has been reprofiled to allow a new youth facility in St. Helier to be brought forward in the earlier years of the Budget." there should be substituted the words, "will be prioritised in 2025 to ensure the provision of a facility and to ensure that the project is not delayed any further.", and on page 58, in Table 27, the project line for Infrastructure Rolling Vote and Public Realm should be reduced by 2,500,000 for each of 2025,2026 and 2027.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 15 CONTRE: 31 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Clement Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews

  Connétable of St. Helier

  Connétable of St. Brelade

  Connétable of Trinity

  Connétable of St. Peter

  Connétable of St. John

  Connétable of Grouville

  Connétable of St. Ouen

  Connétable of St. Mary

  Connétable of St. Saviour

  Deputy G.P. Southern

  Deputy C.F. Labey

  Deputy M. Tadier

  Deputy S.G. Luce

  Deputy K.F. Morel

  Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

  Deputy S.M. Ahier

  Deputy R.J. Ward

  Deputy C.S. Alves

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée   Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy A. Howell

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Changes of Presidency

The Bailiff retired briefly from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Karen Margaret Wilson of St. Clement to the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028)' (P.51/2024), as amended, and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mr. William John Charles Millow , Deputy Greffier of the States, until the Bailiff 's return.

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 P.51/2024

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028)' (P.51/2024), as amended, and, adopting an amendment of the Environment, Housing and Infrastructure Scrutiny Panel (P.51/2024 Amd.(19)), agreed that –

in paragraph (g), after the words "Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that, in Summary table 5(ii), after the Head of Expenditure for Major Refurbishment and upgrades, there should be inserted Heads of Expenditure entitled Fort Regent Development with an allocation of £0 to be shown against the new Head of Expenditure".

in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that on p57, after Table 25: Major Refurbishments and Upgrades – Breakdown of Grouped Head of Expenditure, there should be inserted the following words –

"Fort Regent Redevelopment

Fort Regent Redevelopment is established as a head of expenditure to transparently identify funding provided by Government in support of a programme of works, in conjunction with the Government's chosen development partner, on this major publicly-owned asset.

Establishing the redevelopment project as a head of expenditure ensures that all work carried out and monies spent on the site are subject to the proper level of Ministerial and States Assembly oversight.

The Minister for Infrastructure and Council of Ministers will work with the States of Jersey Development Company to identify the appropriate funding and source for funding of feasibility work by no later than 31st March 2025.

It is recognised that the project will be iterative and involve extensive public engagement at all stages and that this and the necessary design and works will require significant funding.

The full redevelopment project – beyond feasibility – will require a further sustainable funding model. This model will be developed by the Minister to the extent that the necessary funding will be included in the Proposed Budget 2026-2029 to be brought to the Assembly for approval."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, adopting sub-paragraph (ii) of Part 2 of an amendment of Deputy Alexander Frederick Curtis of St. Clement (P.51/2024 Amd.(22)), agreed that, in paragraph (o), after the words "to the Report" there should be inserted the words "except that, on page 61, after the words "support other systems" there should be inserted the words "From 2025 and beyond, the delivery of the Digital Services Platform shall be built and designed following open design principles"."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy Alexander Frederick Curtis did not propose the remaining parts of his amendment (P.51/2024 Amd.(22)) of the proposition of the Council of Ministers.

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, rejected an amendment of the Hospital Review Panel (P.51/2024 Amd.(6)), that –

in paragraph (g) after the words "Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report" there should be inserted the words-

", except that, in Summary table 5(ii), after the Head of Expenditure for New Healthcare Facilities, there should be inserted Heads of Expenditure entitled Overdale Acute Facility, Kensington Place Ambulatory Facility and the St Saviours Health Village, each with an allocation of £0 to be shown against the new Head of Expenditure".

after paragraph (g) the following paragraph should be inserted and subsequent paragraph be re- designated accordingly –

"(h) to request the Minister for Treasury and Resources to take the necessary steps, in accordance

with Article 18 of the Public Finances (Jersey) Law 2019, for a transfer of appropriations from the Head of Expenditure entitled "New Healthcare Facilities" to the Heads of Expenditure entitled Overdale Acute Facility, Kensington Place Ambulatory Facility and the St Saviours Health Village, to take effect by 30th June 2025 in order that these Heads of Expenditure provide a breakdown of anticipated budget for each of the specified elements of the New Healthcare Facilities project"; and

in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that, on Page 69, after the words "A summary of the Outline Business Case will be published to the Assembly in September 2024." there should be inserted the following words –

"The  Minister  for  Health  and  Social  Services  will  publish  supplementary  information  in successive Government Plans about the Overdale Acute Facility, Kensington Place Ambulatory Facility and the St Saviours Health Village Heads of Expenditure for the New Healthcare Facilities Programme, in the same way as is provided for other Major Projects in the Government Plan."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 17   CONTRE: 28  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Clement   Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy K.L. Moore

Connétable of St. Mary   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy M. Tadier   Connétable of Trinity

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy S.M. Ahier   Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy I. Gardiner   Connétable of St. John

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf   Connétable of Grouville

Deputy T.A. Coles   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy D.J. Warr   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy H.M. Miles   Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy J. Renouf   Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy C.D . Curtis   Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy H.L. Jeune   Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy R.S. Kovacs   Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy A.F. Curtis   Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson   Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy M.B. Andrews   Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée

  Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy A. Howell

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy B. Ward

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, rejected an amendment of Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour (P.51/2024 Amd.(16)), that paragraphs (m) and (n) should be deleted and the subsequent paragraphs redesignated accordingly; and that, in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report," there should be inserted the words: "except that on pages 85 and 86 the section entitled "Investment in the new office" should be deleted."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 7   CONTRE: 39  ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence   Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement   Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy L.M.C. Doublet   Connétable of Trinity Deputy K.L. Moore   Connétable of St. Peter Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf   Connétable of St. Martin Deputy K.M. Wilson   Connétable of St. John

Deputy M.B. Andrews

  Connétable of Grouville

  Connétable of St. Ouen

  Connétable of St. Mary

  Connétable of St. Saviour

  Deputy G.P. Southern

  Deputy C.F. Labey

  Deputy M. Tadier

  Deputy S.G. Luce

  Deputy K.F. Morel

  Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

  Deputy S.M. Ahier

  Deputy R.J. Ward

  Deputy C.S. Alves

  Deputy I. Gardiner

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée   Deputy H.M. Miles

  Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy J. Renouf

  Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy H.L. Jeune

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy A. Howell

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy R.S. Kovacs

  Deputy A.F. Curtis

  Deputy B. Ward

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, rejected an amendment of Deputy Hilary Louise Jeune of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity (P.51/2024 Amd.(12)) that in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix of the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that on page 17, after the words group by Island Outcomes' there should be inserted a new paragraph: "Sustainable well-being will be embedded within all business as usual activities in conjunction with Ministerial plans and portfolios. Included within any issuance of financing to third parties and public bodies will be the requirement to obtain transparent reporting relating to the application of funding, detailing how the funding will actively contribute to sustainable well-being, aligned with Future Jersey vision and be monitored and measured further to the standards set by the Jersey Performance Framework."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 14   CONTRE: 31  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Lawrence   Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Connétable of St. Martin   Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Clement   Connétable of Trinity

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy I. Gardiner   Connétable of St. John

Deputy K.L. Moore   Connétable of Grouville

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

  Connétable of St. Ouen

  Connétable of St. Mary

  Connétable of St. Saviour   Deputy G.P. Southern

  Deputy M. Tadier

  Deputy S.G. Luce

  Deputy K.F. Morel

  Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

  Deputy S.M. Ahier

  Deputy R.J. Ward

  Deputy C.S. Alves

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache   Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy A. Howell

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy B. Ward

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, rejected  an  amendment  of   Deputy  Helen  Mary   Miles  of  St.  Brelade  (P.51/2024  Amd.(8))  that  in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix of the Accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words ", except that on page 32 under the section "Alcohol", after the words "living pressures of Islanders." there should be inserted the words "However, the Government commits to the reinstatement of the indexation of alcohol duty in line with R.P.I. from 2026."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 14   CONTRE: 31  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Lawrence   Connétable of St. Brelade   Deputy A.F. Curtis

Connétable of St. Martin   Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Clement   Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of Grouville   Connétable of St. John

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat   Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy I. Gardiner   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy K.L. Moore   Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf   Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy D.J. Warr   Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy H.M. Miles   Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy H.L. Jeune   Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy K.M. Wilson   Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy M.B. Andrews   Deputy R.J. Ward

  Deputy C.S. Alves

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

  Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée   Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy A. Howell

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy R.S. Kovacs

  Deputy B. Ward

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, adopting an amendment of the Council of Ministers (P.51/2024 Amd.(29)), agreed that, in Paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words ", except that on page 33 for the figure "40,000" should be substituted "20,000"".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 34 CONTRE: 8 ABSTAIN: 2

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy B. Ward

  Connétable of St. Lawrence   Deputy M. Tadier

  Deputy I. Gardiner

  Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy H.M. Miles

  Deputy H.L. Jeune

  Deputy K.M. Wilson

  Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy R.S. Kovacs

THE STATES noted that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 106, Deputy Alexander Frederick Curtis of St. Clement declared an interest in the subject of the amendment of the Council of Ministers, in that he was the owner of small distillery, and, as the interest was a financial interest that was personal to him, he withdrew from the Chamber for the duration of the debate on the amendment.

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, commenced consideration of paragraphs (b) and (c) an amendment of the Deputy Hiliary Louise Jeune of St. John, St. Lawrence and Trinity (P.51/2024 Amd.(9)) (paragraph (a) of the amendment having previously been adopted), and, adopting an amendment of the Minister for Treasury and Resources (P.51/2024 Amd.(9).Amd.(2), agreed that –

in sub-paragraph (b) –

for the words "and towards promoting" there should be substituted the words "through the promotion of";

after the words "Sustainable Finance", there should be inserted the word ". This"; and

after the words "embedding sustainability into" the word "all" should be deleted; and in sub-paragraph (c) –

for the words "and the delivery of", there should be substituted the words "identified and delivered through".

THE STATES, adopting paragraphs (b) and (c) of the amendment of Deputy Hiliary Louise Jeune of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity , as amended, agreed that n paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix of

the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

"(b) after the words "ease of doing business here." there should be inserted the words "Ensuring that

funding is made available to support the transition to a net-zero economy through the promotion of Sustainable Finance. This will support these goals and provide a clear action plan and delivery framework, embedding sustainability into financial practices."; and

(c)  after the words "seeking to reduce operating costs." there should be inserted the words "Specifically, making funding available for drivers to a net-zero economy identified and delivered through the Sustainable Finance Action Plan which will embed sustainability into financial practices and business practices and support the decarbonisation of the finance industry.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson

Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, commenced  consideration  of  an  amendment  of  the  Corporate  Services  Scrutiny  Panel (P.51/2024 Amd.(3)), and, adopting an amendment of the Council of Ministers (P.51/2024 Amd.(3).Amd.), agreed that after the words "will be increased by", for the remainder of the paragraph there should be substituted "£78,000, through the reallocation of other departmental expenditure within the Cabinet Office.""

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 22   CONTRE: 21  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier   Connétable of St. Lawrence   Deputy T.A. Coles

Connétable of St. Brelade   Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. Peter   Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. John   Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of Grouville   Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Ouen   Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy S.G. Luce   Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy K.F. Morel   Deputy L.M.C. Doublet

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat   Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward   Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy C.S. Alves   Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy I.J. Gorst   Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy B. Ward

  Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache   Deputy D.J. Warr

  Deputy H.M. Miles

  Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy H.L. Jeune

  Deputy R.S. Kovacs

  Deputy A.F. Curtis

  Deputy K.M. Wilson

  Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, adopting the amendment of the Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel, as amended, agreed that, in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that, on page 41, after Table 10, there should be inserted the words "Within the Revenue Head of Expenditure for the Cabinet Office, funding for Statistics Jersey will be increased by £78,000, through the reallocation of other departmental expenditure within the Cabinet Office."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 42   CONTRE: 0  ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier   Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Connétable of St. Lawrence

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Martin

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Inna Gardiner of St. Helier North that the Assembly adjourn.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 19 CONTRE: 22 ABSTAIN: 3

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Clement

Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews

  Connétable of St. Helier   Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Peter

  Connétable of St. John

  Connétable of Grouville

  Connétable of St. Ouen

  Connétable of St. Mary

  Connétable of St. Saviour   Deputy S.G. Luce

  Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy K.L. Moore

  Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache   Deputy D.J. Warr

  Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy A.F. Curtis

  Deputy B. Ward

Connétable of St. Martin Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée

Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 P.51/2024

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended, and, rejected an amendment of Deputy Alexander Frederick Curtis of St. Clement (P.51/2024 Amd.(21)), that, in paragraph (o), after the words "as set out in the Appendix to the accompanying Report" there should be inserted the words –

", except that –

1. on page 53, for Table 19 there should be substituted the following table, and all references to the value of the Social Security Fund should be adjusted accordingly –

"; and

2. on page 53, after Table 19, there should be inserted the words "The Project Total for the Benefits and Payments (Transform) project has been reduced by £10,000,000, reflected in a decrease of £4,500,000 in each of 2026 and 2027, and a £1,000,000 decrease in 2028. This reduction is implemented to restore the approximate historic budget for the project and to ensure value for money. It will also result in an increased balance of the Social Security fund."".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 12   CONTRE: 29  ABSTAIN: 1

Connétable of St. Mary   Connétable of St. Helier   Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy S.M. Ahier   Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy I. Gardiner   Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy K.L. Moore   Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf   Connétable of St. John

Deputy D.J. Warr   Connétable of St. Clement

Deputy H.M. Miles   Connétable of Grouville

Deputy H.L. Jeune   Connétable of St. Ouen

Deputy A.F. Curtis   Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy B. Ward   Deputy G.P. Southern

Deputy K.M. Wilson   Deputy L.M.C. Doublet

Deputy M.B. Andrews   Deputy K.F. Morel

  Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

  Deputy R.J. Ward

  Deputy C.S. Alves

  Deputy I.J. Gorst

  Deputy L.J. Farnham

  Deputy S.Y. Mézec

  Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

  Deputy T.A. Coles

  Deputy B.B. de S.V.M. Porée

  Deputy M.R. Scott

  Deputy C.D . Curtis

  Deputy L.V. Feltham

  Deputy R.E. Binet

  Deputy M.E. Millar

  Deputy T.J.A. Binet

  Deputy M.R. Ferey

  Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Friday 29th November 2024 in order to continue consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028' (P.51/2024), as amended and the other outstanding items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 8.30 p.m.

L.-M. HART Greffier of the States