States Minutes 14th December 1982

THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 14th  December,  1982  at  10.15 a.m. under  the  Presidency  of  the   Bailiff , Sir Frank Ereaut.

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All members were present with the exception of –

Senator Bernard Thomas Binnington – out of the Island. Senator Jane Patricia Sandeman – ill.

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Prayers. _____

Subordinate legislation tabled.

The following enactment was laid before the States, namely –

Birth Certificate (Shortened Form) (General Provisions) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order, 1982. R & O 7125.

Agriculture and Fisheries Committee – developments in 1982 and future proposals. R.C.21/82.

The Agriculture and Fisheries Committee by Act dated 20th October, 1982 presented to the States a Statement summarising developments  during  the  Committee's  first  year  of  office  and outlining proposals to strengthen the industries further.

THE STATES ordered that the said Statement be printed and distributed.

Matters lodged.

The following subjects were lodged "au Greffe" –

1. Draft Summer Time (Jersey) Act, 198 . P.167/82. Presented by the Legislation Committee.

343  [ Price : £1.00.]

2. Subsidised interest rate on monies borrowed by growers. P.168/82.

Presented by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.

3. Improvement of productivity in dairy industry. P.169/82.

Presented by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.

4. Imported farm commodities: subsidy to growers. P.170/82.

Presented by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.

5. La Collette oil premium: subsidy to fishermen. P.171/82.

Presented by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee.

Accommodation for larger families – Housing Committee. Question and answer.

Deputy Terence John Le Main of St. Helier asked Deputy Hendricus Adolphus Vandervliet, Vice-President of the Housing Committee, the following question –

"Will the Vice-President inform the House –

1. Exactly how long it has been the policy of the Housing Committee to house families of five persons in accommodation designed to accommodate larger families?
2. Exactly how many families of more than five persons are currently on the waiting list for States rental accommodation or for transfer?
3. Exactly what financial criteria in relation to applicants are taken into account when the Committee allocates States rental accommodation?"

The Vice-President of the Housing Committee replied as follows –

"1. It is not the Housing Committee's policy to house

families of five persons in accommodation designed to accommodate larger families. However, the Committee is bound by Act of the States to house whole families evicted from their homes by Order of the Royal Court or the Petty Debts Court and, on occasions, it has been necessary to house such families, temporarily, in accommodation of a size in excess of their immediate family requirements.

2. There are currently 20 families of more than five persons on the waiting list for States' rental accommodation, or for transfer.
3. In general, people who can so afford are encouraged to seek accommodation in the private sector. However, it must be accepted that not all such people are able to find accommodation in the private sector and, if they are homeless, then the Committee has a duty to house them. The financial means of tenants is taken into account in determining the rent that they pay."

Civil servants – early or premature retirement. Questions and answers.

Deputy Graham Douglas Thorne of St. Brelade asked Senator John Clark Averty, President of the Establishment Committee, the following questions –

"1. How many premature or early retirements have there

been in the past five years in the case of –

1. civil servants?
2. manual workers?

2. What were the individual ages of –

1. the civil servants?

2. the manual workers?

3. What has been the cost per year for the past five years in pensions, due to the early or premature retirement of –

1. civil servants?
2. manual workers?

4. What has been the cost per year for the past five years of the replacement staff and labour in the case of –

1. civil servants?
2. manual workers?"

The President of the Establishment Committee replied as follows –

"There are basically two circumstances in which public employees retire early –

1. medical (ill-health) where the opinion of the Medical Officer of Health is always obtained first. To qualify for a pension an employee must have at least 10 years' service;
2. deferred pension.

The latter does not become payable until the employee reaches normal retiring age (65 for men, 60 for women). No- one leaving early during the past five years will have yet qualified for, and been paid a pension so there has been no cost involved so far. Early retirement under these circumstances does not cost any more than if the employee had retired at normal retirement age.

1. Employees who have been medically retired in the last five years are as follows –

Civil Servants  Manual Workers

1978  1  3 1979  3  3 1980  5  5 1981  –  2 1982   1   4

Totals  10  17

2. The individual ages of those employees at the time of their actual retirements were –

Civil Servants

38, 40, 49, 50, 51, 52, 52, 56, 56, 58. Manual Workers

36, 42, 45, 49, 50, 50, 51, 51, 52, 52, 53, 54, 56, 56, 58, 60, 62.

3. The pensions  of  the  two  groups  of  employees  to whom the Deputy refers are provided by the Public Employees Contributory Retirement Scheme. Thisis a properly funded Scheme especially designed and set  up  for  that  purpose,  and  the  employees themselves also contribute toit. There is therefore no  direct  charge  to the  taxpayer  or  cost,  as  I understand the Deputy to mean in his questions, in so  far  as  the  basic  pensions  themselves  are concerned.

The  cost  of  paying  increases  to  those  pensions, however, is not borne by the Fund but comes out of General Revenues. It has been possible, with a fair amount  of  research,  to  identify  that part of those pensions concerned. As annual amounts they have been –

Civil Servants £

1978  – 1979  476 1980  1,705 1981  3,978 1982  3,050

Manual Workers £

–

533

1,432

2,524

3,027

4. The broad answer to the Deputy 's question is that there  has  been  no  real  cost  in replacing  those employees to whom he refers because, had they not retired, they would have been paid as much, or in some cases more than their replacements."

Kempt Tower, St. Ouen 's Bay. Question and answer.

Deputy  Enid  Clare  Quenault  asked   Deputy  Norman  Stuart Le Brocq  of   St. Helier ,  President  of  the  Island  Development Committee, the following question –

"Would  the  President  inform  the  House  if  the  Island Development Committee has any immediate plans regarding Kempt  Tower,   St. Ouen 's  Bay,  and,  if  so,  would  he  give details and approximate costs?"

The President of the Island Development Committee replied as follows –

"No, there are no immediate plans.

However, the Les Mielles Sub-Committee has undertaken some studies as to the feasibility and desirability of converting Kempt  Tower  into  a  permanent  information  centre  dealing with the history and natural history of St. Ouen 's Bay. It is felt that a very useful interpretive centre could be established in the  Tower,  but  various  aspects have to be resolved before further developments are considered.

The likely cost has therefore been established, but it is known  that  there  is  sufficient  money  still  available  in  the capital vote the States granted in 1978 to cover all work still to be completed at Les Mielles including any work on Kempt Tower."

Finance Bill – Part III – Schedule A amendments. Statement.

The President of the Finance and Economics Committee made a statement in the following terms –

"A number of questions were asked at the time of the First and Second Readings of the Bill and subsequently of the effect of the legislation contained in Part III which removes certain property from the charge to income tax under Schedule A of the Income Tax Law. I would like to make it clear, therefore, that the effect of the amending legislation is restricted to property and land in the Island which is occupied by the owner, either as residential property or for the purposes of a trade.

Up to and including the year of assessment 1982, the owner-occupier of property and land had included in his total taxable income the net annual value of that property and land computed  on  the  basis of the rental value assessed by the Parish authorities less certain deductions. For 1983 onwards, no such value will be included in an owner-occupier's income chargeable to income tax.

All persons who own property and land in the Island and who occupy it themselves, either residentially or for the purposes of their trade or business, will, therefore, not have included as part of their incomes any amount representing their ownership of the property and land. However, owner' is defined for Schedule A purposes as including not only the legal owner' but also the person who, although not being the legal owner, has the use and profit of the property and land. The exclusion from Schedule A will therefore extend, inter alia, to the following property and land –

1. property legally owned by a company and occupied by the beneficial owner of the company;
2. property in flats owned by a company and occupied by shareholders of the company by virtue of their shareholdings;
3. property owned by an employer, either corporate or non-corporate, occupied by an employee rent free or at a peppercorn or nominal rent;

4. property occupied by a lessee on a long lease at no rent or a peppercorn or nominal rent.

Property  and  land  which  is  not  occupied  as  I  have detailed above is not affected by the amending legislation."

Supplementary and Additional Votes of Credit.

THE STATES considered Acts of the Finance and Economics Committee  dated  7th  December,  1982  presenting  Acts  of  the undermentioned  Committees  and,  acceding  to  the  requests contained therein, granted to the said Committees supplementary (S) and additional (A) votes of credit out of the General Reserve as follows –

S  A

£ £

Finance and Economics Committee

Bailiff 's Chambers

0301  Staff  11,400 0302  Premises  300 0305  Establishment  1,800

Crown Officers' Department

0311  Staff  29,200 0311A  Staff  1,800 0312  Premises  1,800 0312A  Premises  400 0313  Supplies and Services  2,200 0313A  Supplies and Services  1,000 0315  Establishment  3,000 0315A  Establishment  1,800

Judicial Greffe

0321  Staff  24,300

Viscount's Department

0331  Staff  21,200 0332  Premises  1,600 0335  Establishment  1,700 0336  Inquests  1,000

carried forward  104,500

£ £

Finance and Economics Committee cont'd.

brought forward  104,500

Police Court

0341  Staff  12,500 0342  Premises  1,200

Probation Service

0351  Staff  30,500 0352  Premises  600 0354  Transport  1,000 0355  Establishment  400

Impôts Department

0361  Staff  83,000

Income Tax Department

0371  Staff  80,000 0372  Premises  3,000 0373  Supplies and Services  19,500

Official Analyst's Department

0381  Staff  10,300

Treasury Department

0411  Staff  44,600 0412  Premises  9,100 0413  Supplies and Services  5,700 0415  Establishment  300

Economic Adviser's & Commercial Relations

Departments

0421  Staff – Economic Adviser's

Department  6,700 0421A  Staff – Commercial Relations

Department  16,500

Welfare Service

0500A  Payments  20,000 0500B  Administration costs (Parishes)  1,100

carried forward  450,500

£ £

Finance and Economics Committee cont'd.

brought forward  450,500 Christmas Bonus Payments 051  9,800

Miscellaneous

0601  Cost of Audit

0601A  Rental of offices for States Audit 0602A  Association Internationale des

Parlementaires de Langue Française 0603  Criminal Cases – prosecutions and

other costs

0606  Sundries

0607  Joint Advisory Council

0609  Members' Expenses

0613  Public Transport – refund of fuel tax 0614  States Members – income

supplement

0701  Establishment of H.E. The

Lieutenant Governor – – Staff

0702  – Premises

0705  – Establishment

Total Request £505,650

8,500

1,800 800

5,000 4,000 600 7,500 1,700

3,800

10,700

800

150  

503,850   1,800

Defence Committee

Miscellaneous

1021  Island of Jersey Air Training Corps

Squadron  2,700

Immigration and Nationality Department

1101  Staff  25,000 1104  Transport  300

Motor Traffic Office

1121  Staff  15,000

Fire Service

1302  Premises   2,000 Total Request  45,000

£ £

Public Works Committee

Department of Public Building and Works

2001  Staff  70,200

2002  Supplies and Services  1,300

2009  Trial Bus Scheme  12,000

Car Parks

2032  Premises  3,000 2033  Supplies and Services  3,000 2038  Capital Servicing  5,100

Maintenance of Roads – Resurfacing & Minor Improvements

2051  Staff  4,000 2053  Supplies and Services  123,400

Maintenance of Roads – Cleaning

2061  Staff  6,200 2064  Transport  8,000

Cleaning of Beaches

2071  Staff  5,000 2073  Supplies and Services  3,000 2074  Transport  5,000

Public Buildings

2082  Premises  20,000 2084  Transport  6,000

Public Gardens

2091  Staff  29,500 2092  Premises  3,000 2093  Supplies and Services  3,000 2094  Transport  13,000

Public Markets

2101  Staff  1,100 2102  Premises  2,300

Consumer Advice and Protection

2201  Staff  1,300 2203  Supplies and Services  100

carried forward  316,500  12,000

£ £

Public Works Committee cont'd.

brought forward  316,500  12,000

Weights and Measures

2301  Staff  2,000 2304  Transport  200

Construction of a 5th Multi-Storey

Car Park

C0348  Patriotic Street Multi-Storey Car

Park  532,000

Total Request £862,700  850,700  12,000

Education Committee

Primary Schools – Non Fee Paying

2501  Teaching Staff  80,000 2502  Non-Teaching Staff  20,000

Secondary Education – Non Fee Paying

2601  Teaching Staff  50,000 2602  Non-Teaching Staff  32,000 2603  Premises  9,000 2608  Establishment  2,000 2609  Capital Servicing  9,500

Secondary Education – Fee Paying

2611  Teaching Staff  18,000 2612  Non-Teaching Staff  9,000 2613  Premises  2,000 2616  Miscellaneous  5,300 2618  Establishment  500

Victoria College Boarding House

2622  Non-Teaching Staff  10,000 2629  Capital Servicing  1,200

Jersey College for Girls

2631  Teaching Staff  28,500 2632  Non-Teaching Staff  8,000

carried forward  285,000

£ £

Education Committee cont'd.

brought forward  285,000

Technical and Vocational Education

2701  Teaching Staff  40,000 2702  Non-Teaching Staff  11,900 2703  Premises  10,000

Adult Education

2711  Teaching Staff  4,000 2712  Non-Teaching Staff  6,100

Special Education

2801  Teaching Staff  22,000 2802  Non-Teaching Staff  7,500 2809  Capital Servicing  1,000 2810  Handicapped Children  40,000

Residential School

2832  Staff  7,500 2833  Premises  2,500 2839  Capital Servicing  200

Scholarship, Grants and cost of

Advanced Education

2854  Education Allowances  25,000 Sports and Recreation

2880  Cost of maintaining

Playing Fields and Grounds  50,000

Group Homes

2922  Staff  3,000 Children Boarded Out – 2,930   25,000 carried forward  540,700

£ £

Education Committee cont'd.

brought forward  340,700

Public Libraries

3002  Staff  55,000 3003  Premises  1,000

Advisory Training Council –

3030B   70,000 Transport of Schoolchildren –

3060  16,500

Teachers' Pension Increases and Pensions for

Recognised Service

3070  Teachers' Pension Increases  33,000

Administration

3152  Staff  120,000 3153  Premises  2,000

Advisory Services

3171  Staff  7,000 The Youth Service

3182  Staff  3,000

Primary School Modernisation

C0594   St. Martin , Trinity and

St. Saviour  75,000 Total Request  923,200

Public Health Committee

Administration

3201  Staff  10,100

School Dental Service

3221  Staff  5,300 3223  Supplies and Services  3,000

carried forward  18,400

£ £

Public Health Committee cont'd.

brought forward  18,400

Crematorium

3231  Staff  700 3233  Supplies and Services  300 3234  Establishment  200

Health and Social Services

3261  Environmental Health Services  5,000 3262  MMR Tuberculosis and

Diseases of the Chest  600 3263  Immunisation and Health

Education  4,100 3264  Cervical Cytology and

Family Planning  600 3265  Welfare of the Aged

and Infirm  1,900 3266  School Medical Service

and Speech Therapy  900

Le Geyt Centre

3271  Staff  4,800 3278  Capital Servicing  600

General Hospital

3401  Staff  235,500 3403  Supplies and Services  14,500 3405  Establishment  10,000

Pathological Laboratory

3411  Staff  21,100 3418  Capital Servicing  400

Maternity Hospital

3421  Staff  30,900

St. Saviour 's Hospital

3431  Staff  159,200 3438  Capital Servicing   11,700

carried forward  521,400

£ £

Public Health Committee cont'd.

brought forward  521,400 Overdale Hospital

3441  Staff  68,700 Sandybrook, Grouville and The Limes

3451  Staff  66,900 Ambulance and Transport

3461  Staff  6,000 Maison Le Pape

3471  Staff  3,700 General Hospital Redevelopment

C0628  Phase 1B Equipment  20,000

St. Saviour 's Hospital

C0632  Upgrading of Hospital   75,000 Total Request  761,700

Resources Recovery Board

Administration

4001  Staff  50,500

Drainage and Waste Disposal

4016  Waste Treatment

and disposal  67,200 4018  Drainage  13,800 4019  Septic Tank Emptying  12,100

C0418  Reconstruction and/or

Replacement of Sewers  279,800 C0452  Sewer Extensions  135,000 C0453  Surface Water Drainage   86,200

Total Request  644,600

£ £

Agriculture and Fisheries Committee

Administration

4101  Staff Administration  7,700 4101A  Staff Scientific, Technical

& Advisory  22,800

Howard Davis Farm

4111  Staff  6,000 Slaughterhouse

4121  Staff  1,500 Artificial Insemination & Semen Bank Scheme

4151  Staff  1,250

C0709  Office Accommodation

Howard Davis Farm  54,000 Total Request  93,250

Tourism Committee

Administration

4601  Staff

4603  Supplies and Services

4630  Life Saving Services

4624  Local Attractions – Jersey

Swimming Club – for maintenance of fabric of Pool, etc.

Total Request £91,000

Social Security Committee

60,000 13,000 3,000

15,000 76,000  15,000

Services related to Employment

4821  Employment Exchange  10,400 4822  Safeguarding of Workers  16,600

Total Request  27,000

Cottage Homes Committee

4901  Staff  2,500 4902  Premises  2,800

5,300

£ £

Establishment Committee

States Personnel Department

5101  Staff  29,100 5103  Supplies and Services  25,000

States Personnel (Computer Services)

5123  Supplies and Services   7,000 Total Request  61,100

Island Development Committee

Administration

5201  Staff  28,900

Elizabeth House Committee

5301  Staff  2,800 5302  Premises  1,000 5303  Supplies and Services  5,250

Total Request  9,050

Housing Committee

Administration

5401  Staff  18,000 5403  Supplies and Services   8,200

Total Request  26,200 Prison Board

5501  Staff  42,000 Fort Regent Development Committee

General Overheads

5711  Staff  4,000 5713  Supplies and Services  6,000

carried forward  10,000

£ £

Fort Regent Development Committee cont'd.

brought forward  10,000 Swimming Pool & Gloucester Hall

5721  Staff  7,900

Cable Cars

5761  Staff   5,500 Total Request  23,400

Gambling Control Committee

5800  General Expenses   900

Harbours and Airport Committee – La Collette Reclamation Scheme

1618  Capital Servicing   5,600 Land Reclamation Committee

6358  Capital Servicing   1,150 Harbours and Airport Committee

Airport

1706  Airport Operating Expenses  90,000

The  total  requests  granted  for  the  December  Supply  Day amounted to £4,247,700.

Administrative  Decisions  (Review)  (Jersey)  Law,  1982 (Appointed Day) Act, 1982.

THE STATES, in pursuance of paragraph (2) of Article 14 of the Administrative Decisions (Review) (Jersey) Law, 1982, made an  Act  entitled  the  Administrative  Decisions  (Review)  (Jersey) Law, 1982 (Appointed Day) Act, 1982.

Patriotic Street Multi-storey Car Park.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Public Works Committee –

1. approved Drawings Nos. 265/28, 265/35, 265/36, 265/38, 265/39A, 265/40/A, 265/41A, 265/42/A, 265/43, 265/44/A, 265/45, 265/46, 265/48, 265/49, 265/50, 265/51, 265/54, 265/55 and 265/56 relating to the construction of the multi-storey car park at Patriotic Street, St. Helier ;
2. authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said drawings on behalf of the States.

Howard Davis Farm, Trinity – office accommodation redevelopment.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee –

1. approved Drawings Nos. 2720/21, 2720/23, 2720/22B and 2730/32, showing the proposed redevelopment at the Howard Davis Farm, Trinity ;
2. authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Drawings on behalf of the States.

8 Dorset Street, St. Helier .

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –

1. approved Drawing No. 255/1A showing the conversion of 8 Dorset Street, St. Helier to provide two two-bedroomed houses;
2. authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Drawing on behalf of the States.

Finance (Jersey) Law, 1983.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Finance (Jersey) Law, 1983.

Trilateral Agreement on Social Security between the United Kingdom, Guernsey and Jersey: draft Exchange of Letters.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Social Security Committee –

1. approved the draft exchange of letters amending the Trilateral Agreement on Social Security between the United Kingdom, Guernsey and Jersey; and
2. authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the appropriate letter on behalf of the Social Security Committee.

Public Markets (Administration) (Supplementary Provisions) (Jersey) Regulations, 1982.

THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 3 of the "Lois (1885 à 1940) touchant l'Administration des Marchés Publics, made Regulations entitled the Public Markets (Administration) (Supplementary Provisions) (Jersey) Regulations, 1982.

Compliments of the Season.

Senator Ralph Vibert on behalf of the Senators, Mr. John Philip Pirouet on behalf of the Connétable s and Deputy Philip George Mourant of St. Helier on behalf of the Deputies, wished the Bailiff and Lady Ereaut the compliments of the Season, to which the Bailiff responded.

THE STATES rose at 12 noon.

E.J.M. POTTER, Greffier of the States.