States Minutes 26th July 1988

THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 26th July, 1988 at 10.15 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Peter Crill, C.B.E. ____________

His Excellency The Lieutenant Governor, Admiral Sir William Pillar, G.B.E., K.C.B., was present.

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All members were present with the exception of –

Senator Bernard Thomas Binnington – ill. Senator Betty Brooke – out of the Island.

Charles Alan Le Maistre, Connétable of Grouville – out of the Island.

Stanley John de la Haye, Connétable of St. Martin – ill.

John Le Gallais, Deputy of St. Saviour – absent.

Edgar John Becquet, Deputy of Trinity – out of the Island.

Corrie Stein, Deputy of Grouville – out of the Island.

Leonard Norman, Deputy of St. Clement – out of the Island.

Graham Huelin, Deputy of St. Brelade – out of the Island.

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Prayers ____________

Subordinate legislation tabled.

The following enactments were laid before the States, namely –

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1. Road Traffic (Saint Helier) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7766.
2. Road Traffic (Speed Limits) (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7767.
3. Parish of St. Clement Fête (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7768.
4. Health Insurance (Pharmaceutical Benefit) (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 27) (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7769.
5. Bicycle Marathon (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7770.
6. Civil Service Administration (Salaries) (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) Order, 1988. R & O 7771.

Education Committee: resignation and appointment.

THE STATES noted the resignation of Deputy Francis Hedley Morel of St. Saviour from the Education Committee and appointed Deputy Henry George Coutanche of St. Lawrence to serve in his place.

Resources Recovery Board: resignation and appointment.

THE STATES noted the resignation of Deputy Henry George Coutanche of St. Lawrence from the Resources Recovery Board and appointed Mr. Charles Alan Le Maistre, Connétable of Grouville , to serve in his place.

Income Tax: legislation – Finance and Economics Committee Report. P.93/88.

The Finance and Economics Committee by Act dated 18th July, 1988, presented to the States a report on the Proposition of Deputy Maurice Clement Buesnel of St. Helier (P.43/88 – lodged on 12th April, 1988) regarding income tax legislation.

THE STATES ordered that the said Report be printed and distributed.

Probation Service Report 1987. R.C.12.

The Prison Board by Act dated 27th June, 1988, presented to the States the Report of the Probation Service for 1987.

THE STATES ordered that the said Report be printed and distributed.

States of Jersey Fire Service Report for 1987.

The Defence Committee by Act dated 7th July, 1988, presented to the States a Report on the administration of the States of Jersey Fire Service for the year 1987.

THE STATES ordered that the said Report be printed and distributed.

18-hole public golf course at Les Quennevais, St. Brelade : feasibility study.

The Island Development Committee by Act dated 7th July, 1988, presented to the States a feasibility study into the construction of an 18-hole public golf course at Les Quennevais, St. Brelade .

THE STATES ordered that the said feasibility study be printed and distributed.

Health Insurance Fund as at 30th September, 1987: actuarial report. R.C.13.

The Social Security Committee by Act dated 14th July, 1988, presented to the States a report of the Government Actuary on the financial condition of the Health Insurance Fund as at 30th September, 1987.

THE STATES ordered that the said Report be printed and distributed.

Matters noted – land transactions.

THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 27th June, 1988, showing that in pursuance of Standing Orders relating to certain transactions in land, the Committee had approved –

1. as recommended by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee, the leasing of the property known as La Grande Maison, St. Catherine, St. Martin , to Mr. Michael C. Overbury, together with the grazing land measuring
   0. vergées and outbuildings for a period of one year commencing 25th December, 1987 at an annual rent of £1,800;
2. as recommended by the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee, the leasing of the potato land (côtils) at the property known as La Grande Maison, St. Catherine, St. Martin , measuring 9.31.0 vergées, to Mr. Philip Perchard for a period of one year commencing 25th December, 1987 at an annual rent of £100 a vergée;
3. as recommended by the Harbours and Airport Committee, the leasing to Les Viviers de Ste Catherine of accommodation underneath the walkway on the Victoria Pier, Portof St. Helier , (designated Letting Nos. V6, V7, V8, V9 and C10) for a further three-year period, commencing 1st June, 1988, at an annual rent of £3,470, based on an area of 1,735 square feet at £2.00 a square foot;

4. as recommended by the Establishment Committee, the leasing from Dr. Mark James Havard Thomas and Mrs. Gerda Antonia Thomas, née Kohl, of the one- bedroomed ground floor annexe forming part of the ground floor of the property La Sablonnière, La Rocque, Grouville for a period of three years, commencing 27th June, 1988 at an annual rent of £3,536 with annual increases tied to the Jersey cost of living index, for occupation by an essential employee;
5. as recommended by the Island Development Committee, the sale to the undermentioned property owners of two small areas of land between La Rue Horman and Le Jardin Bertram, Gorey Village shown on Drawing No. 04.108.3, for a consideration of £1 each, plus fence and pedestrian access to Le Jardin Bertram and with the purchasers being responsible for the payment of scale legal fees, namely –

1. Mrs. Mary Adele Catherine Baker, née Soar, Purley', La Rue Horman, 497 square feet; and
2. Mr. John  Francis  Lane  and  Mrs. Anne Helen Lane, née Troy , Solaise', La Rue Horman, 455 square feet;

6. as recommended by the Establishment Committee, the leasing from Captain Thomas Froggatt and Mrs. Joycelene Margaret Froggatt, née Priestnall, of the ground floor flat forming part of the property "Whitehall", La Valette, Mont Cambrai, St. Lawrence , at an annual rent of £6,500, with effect from 1st July, 1988, with annual increases tied to the Jersey cost of living index, required for occupation by an essential employee.

Matter noted – financial transaction.

THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 13th June, 1988, showing that in pursuance of Rule 5 of the Public Finances (General) (Jersey) Rules, 1967, as amended, the Committee had noted that the Housing Committee had accepted the lowest of six tenders, namely that submitted by Regal Construction (Jersey) Limited, in the sum of 172,662.00 in a contract period of 30 weeks for the redevelopment of No. 29 Garden Lane, St. Helier , to provide four one-bedroomed flats.

Matters lodged.

The following subjects were lodged "au Greffe" –

1. Draft Correspondence Colleges and Institutes (Licensing) (Jersey) Law, 198 . P.89/88.

Presented by the Education Committee.

2. Draft Dwelling-Houses (Rent Control) (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law, 198 . P.90/88.

Presented by the Housing Committee.

3. Clairvoyance and astrology for gain. P.91/88. Presented by Senator Peter Geoffrey Kevitt Manton.
4. Draft Census (Jersey) Regulations, 198 . (P.73/88): amendment. P.92/88.

Presented by the Etat Civil Committee.

5. Draft Health Insurance (Medical Benefit) (Amendment No. 32) (Jersey) Regulations, 198 . P.94/88.

Presented by the Social Security Committee.

The States decided to take the abovementioned subjects into consideration on 23rd August, 1988.

The following subjects were lodged on 5th July, 1988 –

1. Draft Housing (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law, 198 . P.85/88.

Presented by the Housing Committee.

2. Pier Road car park – alterations: transfer of funds. P.86/88.

Presented by the Public Works Committee.

The States decided to take the abovementioned subjects into consideration at the present Sitting.

The following subjects were lodged on 12th July, 1988 –

1. Draft Interest on Debts and Damages (Amendment) (Jersey) Law, 198 . P.87/88.

Presented by the Legislation Committee.

2. Bellozanne sewage treatment works: temporary compound for contractors. P.88/88.

Presented by the Island Development Committee.

The States decided to take the abovementioned subjects into consideration at the present Sitting.

Clairvoyance and astrology for gain: legislation. P.65/88.

THE STATES acceded to the request of Senator Peter Geoffrey Kevitt Manton that his Proposition regarding clairvoyance and astrology for gain: legislation, lodged on 24th May, 1988 and set down for debate on 23rd August, 1988, be withdrawn and replaced by a revised Proposition (P.91/88) lodged at the present Sitting.

Draft Census (Jersey) Regulations, 198 . P.73/88.

THE STATES acceded to the request of the President of the Etat Civil Committee that the Second Reading of the draft Census (Jersey) Regulations, 198 (lodged on 7th June, 1988, Preamble adopted and Regulations referred back on 21st June, 1988) be continued on 23rd August, 1988.

Arrangement of Public Business at the present Sitting.

THE STATES acceded to the request of the President of the Public Health Committee that consideration of the following subjects be deferred from the present Sitting to 23rd August, 1988 –

1. Maternity Hospital premises, St. Helier : conversion. P.79/88.

Lodged: 21st June, 1988.

Public Health Committee.

2. Maternity Hospital premises, St. Helier – conversion: additional voteof credit. P.81/88.

Lodged: 28th June, 1988.

Finance and Economics Committee.

3. Community Health Services: supplementary votes of credit. P.82/88.

Lodged: 28th June, 1988.

Finance and Economics Committee.

Public Sector pay. Statement.

The President of the Establishment Committee made a statement in the following terms –

"My Committee wishes to inform the House that agreement has been reached with the Civil Service for a pay award to cover matters outstanding from the 1987 pay negotiations together with an award for 1988/89. In reaching agreement the Committee had a duty to examine negotiations which had taken place prior to this Committee taking office.

It was found that an offer had been made and accepted which took into account the HAY evaluation promised as part of the 1987 agreement. In order that Members may appreciate the background to the negotiations, the annual pay settlement agreed between Official and Staff Side of the Civil Service Joint Council for 1987 was as follows –

1. Salaries will be increased by 6.5 per cent with effect from 1st June, 1987;
2. The Joint Council will commission a white collar' worker remuneration survey of comparable employment in the private sector, to be undertaken by HAY Management Consultants. The objective of the survey will be to determine the median remuneration package for comparable employment in the private sector using job evaluation techniques to match posts in the private sector with those in the public sector. The survey will cover an agreed range of private sector employers and the results will be weighted by the number of employees in each industry and occupation category as shown by the results of the 1986 census. The median remuneration package for comparable employment in the private sector thus determined will form the basis of negotiations to adjust the Civil Service salary grades to reflect the Establishment Committee's declared policy on pay. Any adjustments necessary will be implemented with effect from 1st November, 1987 subject to the proviso that, if significant adjustments are necessary, they may be phased over a period of time.
3. It is noted that, if there is a failure to reach agreement in joint council on the implementation of the findings

of the above survey, the Staff Side will seek to renegotiate this present Agreement.

The Committee therefore found itself facing three options –

1. To refuse implementation and attempt to renegotiate the 1987 agreement.
2. To implement in full.
3. To offer implementation linked to agreement for 1988.

It can be seen that the offer was quite clear and the expectations of the Civil Service were greatly encouraged by the terms of the 1987 settlement. Even more damaging was the fact that Police, Fire Service, Nurses and other pay groups administered by the then Committee, were promised varying degrees of parity with the HAY evaluation procedures which made the open-ended commitment by the Official side difficult to understand. When the results of the HAY evaluation became known, these groups, as well as the Civil Service, found themselves in the position of anticipating increases well above existing levels of pay and, in many cases, well above the rate paid for similar occupations in the United Kingdom.

Advice was sought and information obtained with regard to comparability on conditions of service in the public sector elsewhere, and the basis of the HAY evaluation procedures closely examined. The number and type of companies used showed an unhealthy comparison to the finance sector and the use of total remuneration rather than basic salary helped to inflate the end result.

Having said that, the Committee came to the view that irrespective of their disapproval of the offer, there was little doubt that our public employees had been promised a commitment which the States would find difficult to reject. Letters which had passed between the previous Establishment Committee and Staff Side clearly showed that an offer had been made and accepted, and so the present Committee looked to exercise option 3, which was to link any offer to an agreement for 1988. On 7th July the Committee set out an offer to the Civil Service Staff Side as follows –

The Establishment Committee has now had the opportunity to consider the Staff Side's salary claim for 1988 as set out in your letters of 31st May and 11th June, 1988 respectively. Subject to agreement on the 1988 salary claim the Establishment Committee is prepared to –

1. Implement the 1987 agreement with the exception that the salaries of those officers in Grades 3 – 6 inclusive will not be reduced. The salaries to be paid for the period from 1st November, 1987 to 31st May, 1988 for Grades 1 – 15 inclusive are set out in Appendix A'. The salaries for the Grade A' officers for the same period and based upon the results of the recent re-evaluation of their posts are as set out in Appendix B'.
2. From 1st June, 1988, to increase all salaries in payment on 31st May, 1988by 5.4 per cent with the exception of the salaries of the A' Grade officers. The relevant salaries are again set out in Appendix A'.
3. The A' Grade officers would not receive any increase in base salary with effect from June 1988 but, in return for a commitment to discuss the introduction of performance-related pay from June 1989, a lead payment equivalent to 5.4 per cent of base salary would be paid at half-yearly rests.

4. Any of the A' Grade officers who, as an alternative to the  preceding  paragraph,  wish  to  enter  into  a commitment to retire within the next eighteen months, can have 5.4 per cent added to their pensionable pay from 1st June, 1988.

The  foregoing  offer  is  without  prejudice  to  the  present Establishment  Committee's  view  that  the  method  of determining public sector pay levels needs to be reviewed and  it  does  not  commit  itself  to  continue  to  follow  the policy  adopted  by  its  predecessors.  Having  said  that, following  the  conclusion  of  the  1988  Agreement,  the Committee will be pleased to enter into discussion with Staff  Side  regarding  future  pay  policy  and  its implementation. In particular, the Committee will wish to discuss  the  possible  introduction  of  performance- related/merit pay for the remainder of the Civil Service with effect from June 1990. An indication that Staff Side would be  prepared  to  co-operate  in such discussions would be appreciated.

This offer has been accepted, and the knock-on effect of the 1987 blank cheque agreement, whilst being costly to implement, does not permit the present Committee to opt out of previous commitments freely  made  and  honourably  accepted  by  Staff  Side.  It  is  worth noting  that  the  States,  through  the  previous  Establishment Committee, have made the following settlements to the Civil Service over the past two years –

Agreement  Award

June 1986 to May 1987  10.6% June 1987 to May 1988  17.5% June 1988 to May 1989  5.4%

Cost of living

4.8% 4.5% 5.4%

When we consider that the pay bill for civil servants alone in 1988 will amount to £6.1 millions more than the actual pay bill in 1987, it must be obvious that the Island cannot continue with the high cost of its public sector commitments. No account has been taken of the constant requests for re-evaluation of posts, regrading and fringe benefits which add considerably to the public burden.

This information will no doubt shock States' Members, but worse news is to come. When my Committee took office it found morale in other public sector groups to be at a low ebb because of delays in pay settlements; some of them going back to 1986. Nurses, nurse managers, teacher heads and deputies, further education lecturers, police, fire and prison officers, and various other groups, had been promised comparability with HAY, subject to certain pluses to take into account hours of work, etc. Unfortunately, coinciding with the delay was the dissemination of the possible HAY results which raised expectations far beyond the norm and again well above comparable posts in the United Kingdom.

If the States and the public are concerned that sixteen officers out of approximately fourteen hundred Civil Service employees received increases of 26 per cent, then they will be appalled at the knowledge that general increases in the upper grades of these other public sector groups will be considerably above this percentage figure.

In spite of being tied in our negotiations by previous assurances and promises made to the respective groups, we have, with their understanding, been able to reach agreement with nurses, police, fire and prison officers at levels which in the Committee's opinion are still over-generous but short of their expectations. Never should an Establishment Committee be placed in such a position again.

For the future we will be looking to the States for approval of any agreements made prior to their acceptance by the Committee. At the same time we will expect States' Committees to ensure that their Chief Officers manage their Departments in the same way as businesses operate in the private sector. The Establishment Committee will not entertain requests for extra staff other than in cases of public interest need, such as the maintenance of law and order, the health and care of Island residents, specialist education personnel and key posts which will ensure the continued prosperity of Island life. In a small community the price of independence carries with it a cost which, if not tackled, can pose a threat to its continued existence. Departments must look to ways of cutting down on staff, and the introduction of job accountability will be pursued to ensure that everyone is operating efficiently. Tighter controls must be kept upon absenteeism and monthly reports prepared on staff absences for whatever cause. Where performance is below expectations the employee must be given an opportunity to leave, and Chief Officers will be expected to prepare a report showing staff reductions and opportunities for privatisation in areas where this is possible. It is not always beneficial for the public sector to compete in areas where work can be carried out more efficiently and at less cost to the public.

The enormity of the public wage roll at the present time should be of concern to all States' Members and even assuming that we are successful in holding increases for the pay year commencing 1st June, 1988 to 7.4 per cent for manual workers and 5.4 per cent for civil servants and other groups, this will represent a public sector pay bill for 1988 of £94 million. THIS IS AN INCREASE OF 51 PER CENT OVER THE COMPARATIVE FIGURE FOR 1985.

The Establishment Committee will be coming to the House in the near future with a policy document setting out matters which need urgent attention. It is to be hoped that the States will accept that much can be learned from the past, and that future policies will embrace a wider use of the knowledge within our public service. To this end joint consultations will take place with all public sector employees in the belief that we can work together for an improved and less costly public service. Failure to do so could threaten the provision of social services which are essential to the well-being of a caring Island community.

This statement was prepared yesterday and no doubt Members will be aware of the announcement this morning that the Royal College of Nurses have not yet reached agreement with the Establishment Committee. Circumstances of this delay in settlement means that the Executive Committee of the Royal College of Nurses have put an inter-union dispute before the welfare of their members.

When the Establishment Committee met with the executive of the Jersey Nursing Association and the Royal College of Nurses, an offer was made which gave substantial increases to qualified staff. These increases, averaging over 30 per cent were also far above rates recently agreed in the United Kingdom. The executive committee promised to recommend acceptance to their members, and I am pleased to say that the secretary of the Jersey Nursing Association has notified the Committee this morning that their members have accepted the offer by over two hundred votes to twelve.

The fact that the Royal College of Nurses have sought to bring in comparisons with other groups at the eleventh hour, shows a narrow approach to the generous offer made to their executive. At the meeting which took place it was obvious that, although the executive committee was pleased with the offer, they allowed the question of the independence of nurse managers to cloud their judgment. The Establishment Committee stated at the time that it would not be party to any inter-union dispute, and the Committee feels that Members will be pleased to learn from the Royal College of Nurses, the reasons why they found the generous offer made to their members to be unacceptable."

Housing: price control and building loans scheme. Statement.

The President of the Housing Committee made a Statement in the following terms –

"On 7th June, 1988, the States adopted a Proposition lodged au Greffe' by Senator R.J. Shenton calling upon the Housing Committee –

1. to review the necessity to maintain price control on the sale of properties;
2. to review the operation of the Building Loans scheme, with particular reference to the resale of properties purchased with the aid of a building loan.

At the time I undertook to present a report to the States in July if this was at all possible. I regret to say that I am not yet in a position to present such a report.

Since the Proposition was adopted my Committee has met on three occasions to discuss the matter (two of which meetings having been specially convened for the purpose); has consulted with various authorities and the public; and has considered a number of draft papers prepared in the Housing Department. The Committee has not yet completed its research and deliberations.

The question of price control which has now been applied for nearly twenty years is an extremely complex one and is essentially about the supply of and demand for housing which in Jersey are not simple matters. My Committee needs more time to complete its review of this extremely important matter and hopes that the States will bear with it while it brings its considerations to a conclusion."

Court of Appeal (Remuneration of Ordinary Judges) (Jersey) Act, 1988.

THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 6 of the Court of Appeal (Jersey) Law, 1961, as amended, made an Act entitled the Court of Appeal (Remuneration of Ordinary Judges) (Jersey) Act, 1988.

Royal Court (Remuneration of Commissioners) (No. 2) (Jersey) Act, 1988.

THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 10A of the Royal Court (Jersey) Law, 1948, as amended, made an Act entitled the Royal Court (Remuneration of Commissioners) (No. 2) (Jersey) Act, 1988.

North Telephone Exchange: transfer of administration.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee, approved the transfer of administration of the North Telephone Exchange from that Committee to the Defence Committee.

Motor Vehicle Duty (Amendment No. 6) (Jersey) Law, 1988. P.77/88.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Motor Vehicle Duty (Amendment No. 6) (Jersey) Law, 1988.

Jane Sandeman Court, St. Helier : purchase of adjoining roadway. P.78/88.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –

1. approved the purchase by the public of the Island of the roadway adjoining Jane Sandeman Court, St. Helier (the former Le Brun's Bakery site in Brighton Road), shown hatched in red on Plan No. 86- 281-18, and authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Plan on behalf of the States;

2. agreed that, as it was not possible to agree a fair and proper price with the owner, the Island Development Committee should be empowered, in exercise of Article 4 of the Island Planning (Jersey) Law, 1964, to acquire the land by compulsory purchase on behalf of the public, in accordance with the provisions of the Compulsory Purchase of Land (Procedure) (Jersey) Law, 1961, as amended;
3. authorised the payment or discharge of the expenses to be incurred in connexion with the acquisition of the land and of all interest therein, and the payment of legal expenses out of the vote of credit granted to the Housing Committee under the heading "Building, purchase and rehabilitation of dwellings" (C.1103); and
4. authorised the Attorney General and the Greffier of the States to pass on behalf of the public any contracts which it is found necessary to pass in connexion with the acquisition of the said land and any interest therein.

Devonshire Mews, St. Helier : design and build scheme. P.80/88. THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Housing Committee –

1. approved Drawings Nos. 1500/1 and 2, 1500/4- 12 and 16, in respect of the construction of26 units of States' rental accommodation at Devonshire Mews, Devonshire Place, St. Helier , and authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the said Drawings;

2. approved a fixed price contract with Charles Le Quesne (1956) Limited, for the construction of the said units, in the sum of £1,216,005, in a contract period of72 weeks;
3. approved the payment of £176,783 in professional fees and disbursements of £1,500 for the development;
4. authorised the Greffier of the States to sign the necessary contracts in the matter.
5. authorised the payment or discharge of the expenses to be incurred in connexion with the development of the said properties and of all legal expenses from the Housing Committee's vote of credit "Building, purchase and rehabilitation of dwellings" (No. C.1103).

Housing (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law, 1988. P.85/88.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Housing (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law, 1988.

Pier Road car park – alteration: transfer of funds. P.86/88.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Public Works Committee approved the transfer of £300,000 from the capital vote of credit "Sixth multi-storey car park" (Vote No. C0359) to the capital vote of credit "Alterations to Pier Road car park" (Vote No. C0364) to meet additional costs incurred during the alterations.

Interest on Debts and Damages (Amendment) (Jersey) Law, 1988. P.87/88.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Interest on Debts and Damages (Amendment) (Jersey) Law, 1988.

Bellozanne sewage treatment works: temporary compound for contractors. P.88/88.

THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Island Development Committee, agreed to support the granting by that Committee of development permission for a temporary site compound for use by contractors extending the Bellozanne sewage treatment works, as approved by the States on 24th May, 1988, notwithstanding its location in the Green Zone.

Members present voted as follows –

"Pour" (28)

Senators

Jeune , Baal, Le Main, Manton.

Connétable s

St. John , St. Peter , St. Helier , St. Mary , St. Ouen , St. Saviour , Trinity .

Deputies

de la Haye(H), Morel (S), Le Quesne(S), Vandervliet(L), Rumboll(H), Beadle(B), Blampied(H), Billot(S), St. John , St. Peter , St. Martin , Baudains(C), Buesnel(H), Le Sueur (H), St. Ouen , Coutanche(L), Jordan(B).

"Contre" (16)

Senators

Shenton, Horsfall, Ellis, Rothwell, Le Maistre, Carter.

Connétable s

St. Clement , St. Lawrence , St. Brelade .

Deputies

Mourant(H), Roche(S), Wavell(H), Horne(H), St. Mary , Bailhache (H), Rabet(H).

THE STATES rose at 1 p.m.

E.J.M. POTTER, Greffier of the States.