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STATES MINUTES 2 9 t h M ay, 1990 P r ic e : # 2 .0 0
THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 29th May, 1990 at 9.30 a.m. under
the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff ,
V e rnon Amy Tomes, Esquire.
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All Members were present with the exception of -
S enator John William Ellis - out of
t he Island.
S enator Anne Baal - out of the Island.
S enator Terence John Le Main - absent. S enator Betty Brooke - out of the
I sland.
I ris Medora Le Feuvre, Connétable of
S t. Lawrence - out of the Island.
R ichard Winter Le Sauteur, Connétable
o f Grouville - absent.
T homas John du Feu, Deputy of St.
P eter - out of the Island.
G raham Huelin, Deputy of St. Brelade -
o ut of the Island.
S hirley Margaret Baudains, Deputy of
S t. Helier - ill.
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P r a y e rs
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Greffier of the States/Law Draftsman: retirement
The Deputy Bailiff informed the
House that the following letter had been received by the Bailiff from the Greffier of the States/Law Draftsman -
You will know from our many
c onversations on the matter over the l ast twelve months of my wish to
r etire from public service not later
t han the end of 1990. I shall by then
h ave completed twenty years as
G reffier of the States and twenty-
s even years as the Law Draftsman and I h ave no doubt that I should then
r etire before I reach a premature
c ondition of hebetude.
I would be grateful, therefore, if
y ou would present to the States this
f ormal notice of my retirement as from t he end of this year.
M ay I take this opportunity of saying h ow much I have enjoyed the privilege
o f serving the States as Greffier (and
i ndeed throughout the whole of my
f orty or more years in the public
s ervice) and of thanking you, your
p redecessors in office and all Members
o f the States with whom I have been
a ssociated during my career, for the
m any acts of kindness, courtesy and
h elp which have been readily
f orthcoming at all times.''
Subordinate legislation tabled
The following enactments were laid before the States, namely -
1 . Post Office (General Provisions)
( A m endment No. 30) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 0. R & O 8060.
2 . Road Traffic (Saint Clement)
( A m endment No. 4) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 0. R & O 8061.
3 . Road Traffic (Saint Helier)
( A m endment No. 9) (Jersey) Order 1 9 9 0. R & O 8062.
4 . Saint Martin's Fête (Jersey) O rd er 1990. R & O 8063.
5 . Parish of St. Clement Fête
( J er sey) Order 1990. R & O 8064.
Housing needs: Committee of Inquiry (P.97/89) - report. P.71/90
The Policy and Resources Committee
by Act dated 22nd May, 1990 presented to the States a report on the proposition regarding the setting up of a Committee of Inquiry into housing needs.
THE STATES ordered that the said report be printed and distributed.
Jersey Heritage Trust report - Towards 2000
The Public Services Committee by Act dated 23rd May, 1990 presented to the States a report of the Jersey Heritage Trust entitled Towards 2000 - a future for the Island's Heritage''.
Matters noted - land transactions
THE STATES noted an Act of the
Finance and Economics Committee dated 14th May, 1990 showing that in pursuance of Standing Orders relating to certain transactions in land, the Committee had approved -
( a) as recommended by the
H o using Committee, the granting to t h e Jersey Electricity Company
L i m ited of a servitude, free of
c h a rge, required for high tension
c a b les at 9/11/13 Windsor Road and C a esarea Court, St. Helier , with
e a c h side being responsible for
i ts o wn costs;
( b) as recommended by the Public
H ea lth Committee, the lease from F . L e Sueur and Son Limited of
U n its 1 and 6, Roseland Court, St. H el ier from 23rd April, 1990 until 3 1 s t December, 1990 at a rent of
# 7 0 a week for each one-bedroom
u n i t;
( c) as recommended by the Public
H ea lth Committee, the lease from M r . Robert Dodsworth Alton of 25 W e st Park Avenue, St. Helier for a p e r iod of one year at a rent of
# 7 , 800 a year, a four-bedroom
d w elling for occupancy by four
n u r ses.
Matters lodged
The following subjects were lodged au Greffe'' -
1 . Dairy industry: financial
a s s istance. P.68/90.
P r e sented by the Agriculture and F i s heries Committee.
2 . Rentes Publiques: redemption of
o u t standing amount. P.69/90.
P r e sented by the Finance and
E c o nomics Committee.
3 . Capital projects: review and c o n trol. P.70/90.
P r e sented by the Policy and R e s ources Committee.
4 . Draft Policing of Parks (Amendment N o . 7) (Jersey) Regulations 199 .
P . 7 2/90.
P r e sented by the Public Services
C o m mittee.
5 . Albert and Victoria Piers:
r e co nstruction of landing stages. P . 7 3/90.
P r e sented by the Harbours and
A ir port Committee.
6 . Public Health Committee: capital p r o posals for 1991. P.74/90.
P r e sented by the Public Health
C o m mittee.
7 . Nos. 4 and 5 Elizabeth Place, St. H el ier: lease. P.75/90.
P r e sented by the Public Health
C o m mittee.
8 . Field 1367, La Route du Petit C l o s, St. Helier: rezoning.
P . 7 6/90.
P r e sented by the Housing
C o m mittee.
9 . Housing Committee: capital p r o posals for 1991. P.77/90. P r e sented by the Housing
C o m mittee.
1 0. Public Services Committee: capital p r o posals for 1991. P.78/90.
P r e sented by the Public Services
C o m mittee.
1 1. Green Street, St. Helier : road
i m p rovements. P.79/90.
P r e sented by the Public Services C o m mittee.
1 2. Field 1367, La Route du Petit
C l o s, St. Helier: rescission of
p r o visions regarding acquisition. P . 8 0/90.
C o n nétable J.P. Le Sueur of St. J o h n.
The following subject was lodged on 15th May 1990 -
D raft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 1 99 . P.64/90.
P resented by the Legislation
C ommittee.
The following subjects were lodged on 22nd May 1990 -
1 . West of Albert Pier: construction
o f w arehouse. P.65/90.
P r e sented by the Harbours and
A ir port Committee.
2 . Fire Service: provision of h y d raulic platform aerial a p p liance. P.66/90.
P r e sented by the Defence C o m mittee.
3 . Standing Order No. 39: Policy and R e s ources Committee. P.67/90.
P r e sented by Deputy Maurice
C l e ment Buesnel of St.
H el ier and referred to the Policy
a n d Resources Committee.
Arrangement of Public Business at this Sitting
THE STATES confirmed that the following further subjects lodged au Greffe should be considered at the present
Sitting -
B enefits for those in need:
r ecommendations of Working Party. P .58/90.
L odged: 1st May, 1990.
F inance and Economics
C ommittee.
B enefits for those in need:
r ecommendations of Working Party - a mendments. P.63/90.
L odged: 8th May, 1990.
S enator R.J. Shenton.
D raft Sexual Offences (Jersey) L aw 199 . P.64/90.
L odged: 15th May, 1990.
L egislation Committee.
THE STATES rejected the request of Senator Dereck André Carter that consideration of the draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 199 be deferred to a later date.
Arrangement of dates for States Sittings
THE STATES rejected the proposition
of Deputy Robin Ernest Richard Rumboll of St. Helier that the States should sit on
5th June, 1990, and adopted the proposition of Senator Reginald Robert Jeune that the States should sit on 19th June, 1990.
Arrangement of Public Business for 12th June, 1990
THE STATES confirmed that the following subjects lodged au Greffe should be considered on 12th June, 1990 -
C onstitution of the States: review. P .46/90.
L odged: 3rd April, 1990.
S enator R.J. Shenton.
M aintenance payme
l egislation. P.56/90.
L odged: 24th April, 1990.
D eputy S. M. Baudains of St. H elier.
W est of Albert Pier:
c onstruction of warehouse. P.65/90. L odged: 22nd May, 1990.
H arbours and Airport Committee.
F ire Service: provision of h ydraulic platform aerial a ppliance. P.66/90.
L odged: 22nd May, 1990. D efence Committee.
D airy Industry: financial a ssistance. P.68/90.
L odged: 29th May, 1990. A griculture and Fisheries C ommittee.
R entes publiques: redemption of
o utstanding amount. P.69/90.
L odged: 29th May, 1990.
F inance and Economics
C ommittee.
A lbert and Victoria
P iers: reconstruction of landing
s tages. P.73/90.
L odged: 29th May, 1990.
H arbours and Airport Committee.
N os. 4 and 5 Elizabeth Place, S t. Helier: lease. P.75/90.
L odged; 29th May, 1990.
P ublic Health Committee.
F ield 1367, La Route du Petit
C los, St. Helier: rezoning. P.76/90. L odged: 29th May, 1990.
H ousing Committee.
F ield 1367, La Route du Petit
C los, St. Helier: rescission of
p rovisions regarding acquisition. P .80/90.
L odged: 29th May, 1990.
C onnétable J. P. Le Sueur of
S t. John.
THE STATES acceded to the request of
the President of the Housing Committee that the Proposition relating to the rezoning of Field 1367, La Route du Petit Clos, St. Helier: rezoning (P.76/90) be considered as the first item of matters lodged au Greffe, having rejected the request of the Connétable of St. John that his Proposition relating to the rescission of provisions regarding the acquisition of Field 1367, La Route du Petit Clos, St. Helier (P.80/90)
be considered immediately prior to the Housing Committee's Proposition.
The States decided that the Connétable 's Proposition should be considered immediately after that of the Housing
Committee.
Senator B. Brooke - attendance
Senator Betty Brooke, having
returned to the Island, was present for the remainder of the Sitting.
Dairy unit: cost of setting up. Question and answer
The Connétable of St. John asked the President of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee the following question -
Will the President advise the House t he estimated cost of setting up a
d airy unit for, say, 250 cows on a
g reen field site, on a per cow basis
c overing only buildings and
f ixtures?''
The President of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee replied as follows -
The total cost of setting up a dairy u nit for 250 cows has potential for v ariation - as with cars one can
p roduce a Rolls Royce or a very
f unctional Ford.
T he main items of costing for a good
s tandard of unit paying due regard,
n ot only to the new hygiene standards b ut environmental considerations which m ay affect neighbouring properties,
e tc. are as follows -
# Site preparation
T here is no standard figure
a s each site has its
i ndividual characteristics -
s ay 1 0 , 0 0 0
E lectricity and water
T he connection of services
w ould cost at least 1 0 , 0 0 0
H ousing
C lear span steel portal
f ramed building with
c ubicles 1 6 5 , 0 0 0 -2
0 0,000
C overed feeding area 5 0 , 000-75 , 000
M ilking
B uilding for parlour and
c overed collection,
dairy/calving pens 5 0 ,0 0 0 m ilking parlour and bulk
t ank 7 5 ,0 0 0
S ilage
C overed silo - for storage
o f winter feed 1 0 0 , 0 0 0
S lurry
S torage - tin tank 3 0 ,0 0 0
C ollection tank and concrete 1 0 , 0 0 0
E quipment - separator 5 0 , 0 00 D igester 3 0 ,0 0 0
A dditional concrete yards
r oadways/ contingencies 6 0 , 000
T O T A L 7 00,000
A rchitects fees - 3½ per
c ent (say) 2 5 ,0 0 0
T O T A L 7 2 5 ,0 00 P e r c o w 2 ,9 00
( These figures have been provided by M r. Nick Whitley, ADAS Adviser,
s econded to the Department of
A griculture and Fisheries).
I n addition to the dairy unit as
o utlined there would need to be a
b uilding for calf rearing and housing
d airy replacements during the winter.
I t is anticipated 50 heifers would be
r eared each year. This unit could cost
b etween #50,000-#100,000 depending on t he standard of the building required,
i .e. timber or steel portal framed
s tructure.
T aking examples of units recently c onstructed on the Island to
i llustrate variations that arise in
t he costings of these projects -
A unit for 100 cows has
b een constructed with the cows being h oused and fed in a steel framed
b uilding, but in this case, it was
p ossible to utilise the existing farm
s table for a covered collection area
a nd parlour. The cost will be in the
r egion of #1,500 per cow.
O n the other hand a
s ophisticated milking parlour for 150- 1 70 cows, with covered collection,
d iversion pens, dairy, etc. but
e xcluding, in this case, any housing, s lurry handling, feed arrangements,
s ite preparation or fees has cost
# 1,000 per cow.
I t would, however, be possible
to produce a dairy unit in timber
b uildings with limited linked areas of h ard standing, etc. for as low as
# 1,500 per cow providing that the
s tandard of building was acceptable f or the area in which it was to be
s ited. Undoubtedly the sophistication
o f environmental controls such as
s lurry handling would, in this case,
b e below the levels required on more s ensitive sites.
I n arriving at these costs, account
h as been taken of the fact that the
I sland Development Committee insists
o n agricultural buildings being
d esigned to higher constructional
s tandards than are accepted and
r ecommended by the Ministry of
A griculture in the United Kingdom
w here British Standard 5502 is used. O n a project of this size, a saving of
a t least five per cent plus could be
m ade in the cost by the adoption of
t hese British Standards.
I n conclusion, reiterating
m y introductory statement - dependent
o n how the job is done, the level of
t echnical refinement of equipment, and t he building specifications required,
t he costs could range from a minimum
o f #450,000 to a maximum approaching
# 1 million.''
S upplementary questions and answers
C onnétable of St. John - Is
t he President of Agriculture and
F isheries aware of the John Nix Whye
C ollege University of London Farm
M anagement Handbook which is the bible
o f farm costings in the United
K ingdom. It is now in its 20th
e dition. I would also like to know if
t he president of Agriculture and
F isheries is aware that the cost of
p roducing a dairy unit in the United
K ingdom using a steel framed building
a ccording to John Nix is #1,866 per
c ow and if we take into consideration
t he sum of #1,414,550 for Mr. Stuart
M ourant's development that comes out
t o #5,993 per cow. Even if we go low
a nd just refer to the #807,000 for the
r edundant farm buildings the cost is
# 3,419 per cow, does he regard this as
a fair way or an enhanced way which is
b eyond consideration?''
P resident, Agriculture and
F isheries Committee - The handbook t hat was waved, I don't know that
h andbook personally, in other words I h ave not read that handbook, but I
k now that there are standards applied
t o the United Kingdom for the
c onstruction of units. The costs given i n that handbook of #1,186 per cow, I a m not aware of that precise figure
b ut I am fully aware that it costs
l ess to build a new dairy unit in the
U nited Kingdom in the main than it
d oes over here, for a number of
r easons. One is that the building
c osts are much lower any way. Two,
t here is so much more space available i n the United Kingdom that you can
b uild things in a way that would not
b e acceptable here and in space I am
t alking in terms of proximity of
n eighbouring properties and the like,
a nd it is possible to have slurry
d isposal methods and other methods
t hat are acceptable in wide open
s paces in the heart of the United
K ingdom countryside but are not
a cceptable in our situation in Jersey
a nd as I said before, building costs
a re renowned for being higher in
J ersey and these large buildings that
c ome in sections, shipped over, are m uch more expensive over here than in t he United Kingdom, but that
p articular figure he questioned, was I
a ware of #1,186 per cow, the answer is n o, that particular figure I was not
a ware of, other than knowing that
t heir figures are lower than ours. The C onnétable then went on to refer to
t he #1.4 million which is the figure
t hat is being talked about for the
p urchase of land and buildings at Mont a u Prêtre, and of course that includes
a large sum for land which is to be
r ezoned for Category A housing that is n ot to do with the dairy buildings as
s uch, the more appropriate figure to
c ompare with is the one which he
h imself brought out in the second part
o f his supplementary question which is t he cost of replacement value of the
b uildings, which he gave as #807,000, t hat #807,000 in fact surprisingly,
a nd coincidentally comes very much in t he area of the figures I gave for
s ophisticated buildings, and we are
t alking probably the most
s ophisticated cow unit to be built in
t his Island, so we are at the top end
o f the figures I gave and taking the
f igures I gave at #825,000 plus that
i n fact comes out very similar to
# 807,000, so the answer to that part
o f the question is that I am not
s urprised the figures are so
c omparable.''
D eputy H.A. Vandervliet - The a rchitects' fees are 3½ per cent. I w ish we had that one?''
P resident, Agriculture and
F isheries Committee - So do I, but
o n all these figures I can assure the
H ouse that we have taken care not to e xaggerate our case because we could d amage our case by so doing.''
Immigration control after 1992. Question and answer
Deputy Maurice Clement Buesnel of St. Helier asked a question of the President of the Defence Committee as follows -
In view of Dr. Plender's submission
t o the States of Jersey that after
1 992 when the European Community
b ecomes a single market with free
a ccess across frontiers for European
C ommunity nationals, Jersey could
r estrict entry to all but United
K ingdom nationals, is the Defence
C ommittee seeking to set up
i mmigration control points to monitor
a ll arrivals from United Kingdom
d estinations in order to identify non-
U nited Kingdom nationals, bearing in
m ind two facts, one that Jersey people
w ithout European Community passports h ave no similar rights of entry, etc.
t o European Community countries other t han the United Kingdom, and that
E uropean Community nationals once
g iven entry to the Island will need to
b e accorded the same rights now
r eceived by United Kingdom
n ationals.''
The President of the Defence Committee replied as follows -
No.''
S upplementary questions and answers
D eputy M.C. Buesnel - I appreciate
t he very short answer the President
h as given but is he satisfied that a
l arge number of Jersey people will be
d enied the same privileges accorded to E uropean Community nationals arriving h ere that Jersey people without the
r ights will not have in European
C ommunity countries.''
P resident Defence Committee - The D efence Committee is well aware of the p eculiarities of the situation
r egarding locals and their employment
o r their movement within the European C ommunity. To answer questions leads t o all sorts of problems. If I were to
s uggest that we were looking at
w hether or not we're setting up
i mmigration controls and one of the
p opular papers got hold of it, they
m ake all sorts of nonsense out of it,
I would far rather Members be
r esponsible enough to recognise that
t his is a very serious matter regarded b y both my Committee and the rest of t he House and the Crown Officers as
b eing of the utmost importance We are w orking on it at all times to make
s ure that this Island and its
r esidents do not suffer in any way,
a nd I think it would be totally
i rresponsible for one to give out
h alf-hearted answers in advance of,
s hall we say, a proper determination
o f all that this entailed and I would
u rge the Deputy not to do as he did
t his week to place a question on the
O rder Paper as late as last Thursday
e xpecting the department to come up w ith answers which quite honestly
c ould be misinterpreted elsewhere.
R est assured the Defence Committee is d oing all that it can as the
r esponsible Committee for these
a ffairs and if we do not do our work
p roperly then the Deputy has the right t o criticise but, in the meantime, I
c an assure you that the matter is far
m ore complex than can be answered m erely in a few questions put on the
f loor of this Chamber.''
D eputy M.R. Billot - I think
p robably the President of Defence
m ight have said it unwittingly, but he r eferred to residents, in actual fact
n ot all residents are affected
d epending where they come from. Is it n ot a matter for natives of this
I sland rather than residents?''
P resident, Defence Committee - Of c ourse the Deputy is right.''
D eputy Buesnel - May I say, the
q uestion went through the channels in t he usual way, giving the required
n otice to the Senator.''
Liberation 1990 celebrations. Statement
The President of the Occupation and Liberation Committee made a statement in the following terms -
I am sure that all Members who
a ttended the Liberation Day
c elebrations will agree with me that
t hey were extremely successful.
F rom watching the reports of Channel T elevision and the Jersey Evening Post i t was obvious to me that there was a
b alance of ceremony and entertainment t o suit all ages and that many, many
p eople enjoyed the activities.
I think the Committee has succeeded in t he task given to it by the House in
1 988 and I hope that it has also fulfilled the wish of Senator Shenton w hen he lodged his report and
p roposition.
N aturally, we do not intend to plan
s uch an extensive programme in 1991 b ut, hopefully, as before we shall co-
o rdinate and encourage local
a ssociations to plan events to ensure a nother successful day, but plans will b egin to be formulated for the 50th
a nniversary celebrations in 1995.
M any, many people worked extremely h ard to help us and I cannot attempt
t o name them all, however, I must
e xpress my grateful thanks to my very h ard working Committee who, together w ith Committee Clerk, Ruth Heald,
w orked unstintingly to co-ordinate
e vents - I think the end results
c onfirmed that we made a good team.
I should also like to thank the clubs
a nd associations which were involved - w ithout their endeavours the
c elebrations would not have been
p ossible. I can assure you that it
t ook a considerable amount of work to m ake it possible.
M y gratitude must also go to Dame Vera L ynn who graciously honoured us by
j oining in our celebrations and
d elighted 2,000 people with her
p erformance at Fort Regent.
W hilst not wishing to single out
a nyone I must extend our appreciation t o the Director and staff of the
J ersey Museum Service. Their
p rofessionalism and expertise have
b een invaluable to the Committee and t he results of their work on the
e xhibition, the primary schools floral
d isplay and the educational packs have b een appreciated by all, and to all
t he staff of the Public Services
D epartment, led by Tony Beaumont and h is team, who were always available to a ssist our team of voluntary helpers
o ver the three day period - capably
o rganised by Tony Rumbold and his
h elpers.
A s you all know. 1st July 1990 marks
t he 50th anniversary of the occupation
o f the Island. This is not something
w e wish to remember, but it is the
C ommittee's intention to erect plaques a t St. Helier Harbour and La Rocque
H arbour to honour the people who died d uring the air raid on the Island on
2 8th June 1940.
F inally, may I thank all Members for
t heir support in our work, especially
t he Connétable s who truly entered into
t he spirit of the occasion and gave us
e very assistance and last but not
l east to others who assisted the
C ommittee in the areas of typing, commentating, providing accommodation a nd meals for our mainland guests,
g round transport and air transport by
B ritish Airways and British Midland
A irways, the Captain and Officers of
H .M.S. Jersey, the Band of the Royal
H ampshire Regiment and the Queen's
C olour Squadron of the Royal Air Force w ho all helped to make the occasion an
e njoyable one.''
Manpower in the public sector. Statement
The President of the Establishment Committee made a statement in the following terms -
Prior to the immigration debate last
D ecember, the Establishment Committee h ad received requests for a total of
1 59 additional full-time and part-time
s taff in 1990. Following that debate
t he Policy and Resources Committee set t he growth in manpower in the public
s ector at a net figure of 50
a dditional posts in 1990 and 25 in 1 991. Thereafter there will be no more g rowth. Committees were advised of
t hose limitations and were asked to
r eview their bids accordingly. This
r esulted in the bids being reduced
i nitially to 101 and, after further
s earching questions, to a total of 69.
T he Establishment Committee then met w ith the Presidents and Chief Officers
o f the three major bidding committees
a nd, as a result, the total number of
r equests was reduced to 58.
F ortunately, 12 posts had been saved
i n Telecoms and Customs and this
r educed the net allocation to 46 out
o f the available 50 posts. Four posts
h ave been kept in reserve against
u nforeseen emergencies which may arise l ater in the year.
T he major bidder for additional
m anpower was the Public Health
C ommittee with 29 new posts which, t ogether with the Education and
D efence Committees, totalled 43
a dditional posts or 74 per cent of the b ids approved. It is already known
t hat these committees and others have a dditional requirements for next year w hen the allowable net increase in job g rowth will be only 25.
T he demands for necessary additional
j obs, let alone desirable ones, can
o nly be met if significant savings can
b e achieved elsewhere either by
i mproving efficiency or by reducing or d iscontinuing non essential services.
T he Committee is encouraged by the
p rogress which is being achieved with
c hief officers with a view to them
p erforming a much more corporate role i n the management of the business of
t he States. This broader view of the
S tates as an enterprise will hopefully
l ead to a better understanding of the
r elative priorities for the provision
o f new and enhanced services and the
n eed to review the continuing
n ecessity for services already
p rovided. The Chief Officers' Group
w hich currently advises the Policy and R esources Committee, has already made c onstructive suggestions in this
d irection. I hope that committees
t hemselves will respond to this lead
a nd follow the example which is being s et by their chief officers. We all
k now that, in the sensitive area of
p ublic services, it is all too easy to
e ngage in the alternative of emotional b lackmail.
I n conclusion, if we are serious in
o ur determination to tackle the
i mmigration problem, we must
p ublicly justify the need to continue
a ll the services which we currently
p rovide and the controls which we
e xercise before proposing new and
e nhanced services and controls. For
t his purpose, my Committee will
s upport the Policy and Resources
C ommittee to introduce, as a matter of u rgency, a system of value for money,
o r, value for resources, audits.''
Howard Davis Farm: replacement of glass
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Agriculture and Fisheries Committee -
( a) agreed to transfer the balance of
# 1 2 0,000 remaining in the
A g riculture and Fisheries
C o m mittee's capital vote of credit N o . C0716 to a new capital vote
e n ti tled Replacement of glass'';
( b) approved the proposal to replace
t h e glasshouses at Howard Davis
F a r m constructed in 1967 and 1978.
Agricultural Loans and Guarantees Advisory Board: appointment of member
THE STATES, adopting a proposition
of the Agriculture and Fisheries
Committee, approved the appointment of Mr. Michael John Touzel, being a person with experience and capacity in commerce or finance, as a member of the Agricultural Loans and Guarantees Advisory Board until 1st March 1991, in accordance with Regulation 3(2)(a) of the Agriculture (Loans) (Jersey) Regulations 1974, as amended.
Field 232, St. John: rezoning for residential development. P.14/90
THE STATES, adopting a proposition
of the Island Development Committee, agreed to the rezoning of Field 232, St. John,
from Agricultural Priority Zone to Category A residential development, as shown on Map 07-245-1.
The Connétable of St. John, President of the Island Development Committee, having declared an interest in the matter,
withdrew from the Chamber prior to the debate.
Les Vaux Trust Housing Association: grant of loan. P.55/90
THE STATES, adopting a proposition
of the Finance and Economics Committee -
( a) authorised the granting of a loan t o L es Vaux Trust Housing
A ss ociation in the sum of
# 7 2 5,000, to enable it to -
( i) purchase Valley Court, Grands V a u x , St. Helier at a price
o f # 7 0 0,000;
( ii ) provide for legal fees and
o th e r i ncidental expenses
am o u n ting to #25,000;
( b) agreed that the loan should be at a r a te of interest of four per
c e n t a year and should be
r e p ayable over a period of 20
y e a rs on terms to be agreed with t h e Finance and Economics
C o m mittee;
( c) agreed that the loan should be
s u b ject to the condition that no
p e r sons shall be allowed to occupy a n y accommodation in the property w it hout the prior notice and
a g r eement of the Housing
C o m mittee.
Decimal Currency (Amendment No. 5)
(Jersey) Law 1990. P.62/90
THE STATES, subject to the sanction
of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Decimal Currency (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law 1990.
Attendance of Members
Deputy Thomas John du Feu of St.
Peter and Deputy Shirley Margaret Baudains of St. Helier were present for the
afternoon Sitting.
Benefits for those in need: recommendations of Working Party. P.58/90 and P.63/90
THE STATES commenced consideration
of a Proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee regarding the recommendations of the Working Party on benefits for those in need. Paragraph 10 of the accompanying report, together with Senator Richard Joseph Shenton's amendment that after the words Benefits for those
in need'' in the Proposition there should
be inserted with the exception that -
p aragraph 10 Relationship between
f amily allowance and welfare rates for t hose under the age of 16 years' - for
t he purpose of the payment of welfare b enefit, family allowance should be
d isregarded.''
were referred back to the Working Party on Need.
Senator Shenton withdrew his second amendment that with the exception that -
p aragraph 30 Appeals to the Comité d es Connétable s' - a separate appeals b ody should be appointed immediately t o hear appeals on welfare matters.''
THE STATES thereupon approved the recommendations in the report dated April 1990 of the Working Party on Need entitled
Benefits for Those in Need', with the exception of paragraph 10 and the proposed amendment which had been referred back and requested the committees concerned to take
the appropriate action thereon.
Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 1990. P.64/90
THE STATES, subject to the sanction
of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 1990.
Members present voted for the Preamble as follows -
P o u r' ' (29)
Senators
J eune, Binnington, Horsfall, Rothwell, B rooke, Le Maistre, Stein.
Connétable s
S t. John, St. Peter , St. Helier, St. O uen, Trinity , St. Martin.
Deputies
L e Gallais(S), Trinity ,
V andervliet(L), R. Rumboll(H),
W avell(H), Billot(S), St. Martin,
B audains(C), Buesnel(H), C.
R umboll(H), Le Sueur(H), St. Ouen,
C outanche(L), St. Mary, Bailhache (H), G rouville.
C o ntre'' (8)
Senator
C arter.
Connétable S t. Mary.
Deputies
R oche(S), Beadle(B), Blampied(H), N orman(L), St. Peter , Clarke-
H alifax(S).
The Connétable of St. Brelade and Deputy Thomas James Jordan of St. Brelade abstained from voting.
THE STATES rose at 6.20 p.m.
R . S . G R A Y
D eputy Greffier of the States.