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STATES MINUTES 14t h D ecem ber 1993 P ri c e : £ 1.00
T HE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 14th December 1993 at 9.30 a.m. under t he Presidency of the Bailiff ,
S i r P eter Crill, C.B.E.
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All Members were present with the exception of -
S enator Richard Joseph Shenton - out of the I sland
S enator Terence John Le Main - out of the
I sland
D eputy Philip Roy Cabot of Trinity - ill.
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P rayers were read by the President __ _______ ___
Congratulations to newly-elected Presidents
The Bailiff congratulated the newly-elected Presidents of Committees on their appointments.
Personal Statement by Deputy J.L. Dorey of St. Helier
Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey made a statement in the following terms -
I am grateful to you, Sir, for giving me t his opportunity to make a brief personal s tatement.
I must begin by making it clear that my
i ntention is not to offend any Member of
t his House, but merely to make my own
p osition quite clear, regarding certain
c omments which have been made since last T hursday's elections for Committee
P residents - comments which I believe may h ave been made in haste, to be regretted
a t leisure.
A s a confirmed athiest, I cannot join in
t he States' opening prayer, because it
a ppeals to a deity in whom I do not
b elieve; even so, I recognise and heartily
a pprove the spirit of the words in that
p rayer, which ask God to grant to this
A ssembly the gifts of wisdom and care, and t o unite the hearts of all its Members.
W isdom and unity are surely vital to our
p urpose.
A s a new Member of this House, I am only t oo keenly aware of a level of public
e xpectation which I am uncertain of being a ble to satisfy. Indeed, my abiding feeling s ince election day, has been one of
g rateful surprise that I should have been
c hosen, together with a heavy weight of
r esponsibility to the electors.
B ut if I am to achieve anything during my
t ime here, it can only be with the active
c o-operation of other Members, both new and
o ld. I am glad to say that co-operation has
b een freely given, up to now, and I would
b e very sad to see it withheld in the
f uture, purely on the basis of some real or
i magined political grouping.
T here is no Member here, new or old, nor
a ny group of Members, with a monopoly on t he truth. We will not always (perhaps not
e ven often) agree as to the best course of
a ction, but there is, for me, a world of
d ifference between forceful argument based
o n sincerely-held beliefs, and aggression
d ictated by dogma.
I believe I must speak for many, when I m aintain that this House, and the people it r epresents, can only be damaged by a war a mong us; but I guarantee, if there is to
b e any sort of war, that I will not wear
t he uniform of either side.
I hope that we will have no more talk of
t hreats, undue pressure, or unwillingness
t o respond to rational argument. The
r esults of last Thursday's elections may
n ot have always suited all Members, but we i n this Assembly should be the last people
t o complain about the vagaries of the
d emocratic process. I voted on the strength
o f the presentations given by the
c andidates, and I see no reason to believe
t hat other Members did otherwise, although t hey may have been assisted in their
c hoice, quite properly, by what they
a lready knew of the candidates.
I will close by saying that I ask for just
t wo things, in my time here: the first is
t he power to cope with a mountain of
p aperwork, without losing touch with the
c oncerns of the ordinary people who trusted m e with their vote; and the second is that
I , and all of us, should continue to
b enefit both from the enthusiasm and energy
o f new Members, and from the experience and w illing assistance of those who are less
n ew.''
Appointment of Committees
THE STATES, pursuant of their Act dated 9th December 1993, with regard to the appointment of Presidents of Committees, made the following appointments -
POLICY AND RESOURCES COMMITTEE Senator R.R. Jeune , O.B.E., President
Senators
P .F. Horsfall J .S. Rothwell N .L. Quérée
Connétable
I .M. Le Feuvre of St. Lawrence Deputies
T .A. Le Sueur of St. Helier D .A. Carter of St. Helier
FINANCE AND ECONOMICS COMMITTEE Senator P.F. Horsfall, President
Senator
A .B. Chinn
Connétable s
E .C. Quénault of St. Brelade J . Roche of St. Saviour
Deputies
D .R. Maltwood of St. Mary
J .N. Le Fondré of St. Lawrence F .H. Walker of St. Helier
D E F ENCE COMMITTEE
Deputy M.A. Wavell of St. Saviour , President
Senators
R .J. Shenton
R .R. Jeune , O.B.E.
Connétable s
A .P. Querée of St. Ouen
R .L. Le Brocq of St. Helier
Deputies
S .M. Baudains of St. Helier A .J. Layzell of St. Brelade
HARBOURS AND AIRPORT COMMITTEE
Deputy J.N. Le Fondré of St. Lawrence , President
Senators
A .B. Chinn
P .A. Bailhache
Connétable s
S .J. de la Haye of St. Martin B .G.D. Richardson of Trinity
Deputies
L . Norman of St. Clement J .T. Johns of St. Helier
P UBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE
Deputy D.A. Carter of St. Helier , President
Senator
V .A. Tomes Connétable s
E . Le G. Godel of St. Mary R .L. Le Brocq of St. Helier
Deputies
H .H. Baudains of St. Clement G . Matthews of St. Brelade A .J. Layzell of St. Brelade
E D UCATION COMMITTEE
Connétable I.M. Le Feuvre of St. Lawrence , President
Senator
N .L. Quérée Connétable
F .H. Amy of Grouville Deputies
P .J. Le Masurier of St. Ouen
H .G. Coutanche of St. Lawrence P .R. Cabot of Trinity
J .L. Dorey of St. Helier
P U BLIC HEALTH COMMITTEE
Connétable J. Roche of St. Saviour , President
Senators
T .J. Le Main C . Stein
Deputies
P .J. Le Masurier of St. Ouen G . Huelin of St. Brelade
P .R. Cabot of Trinity
J .L. Dorey of St. Helier
AGRICULTURE AND FISHERIES COMMITTEE Senator J.S. Rothwell, President
Connétable
A .P. Querée of St. Ouen
Deputies
M .A. Le Geyt of St. Saviour E .M. Pullin of St. Saviour
R . Duhamel of St. Saviour
I .S. Nicholls of Grouville
F .J. Hill, B.E.M., of St. Martin
T O U RISM COMMITTEE
Senator R.J. Shenton, President Senators
J .A. Le Maistre C . Stein
S . Syvret
Connétable s
E . Le G. Godel of St. Mary M . Pollard of St. Peter
Deputy
F .J. Hill, B.E.M., of St. Martin
S OCIAL SECURITY COMMITTEE
Deputy T.A. Le Sueur of St. Helier , President
Senator
P .A. Bailhache
Connétable
F .H. Amy of Grouville Deputies
M .A. Le Geyt of St. Saviour D .L. Crespel of St. Helier
E .M. Pullin of St. Saviour
P .F. Routier of St. Helier
I SLAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
Deputy C.J. Le H. Hinault of St. John , President
Deputies
H .H. Baudains of St. Clement H .G. Coutanche of St. Lawrence G . Huelin of St. Brelade
J .T. Johns of St. Helier
R . Duhamel of St. Saviour
J .J. Huet of St. Helier
H O U SING COMMITTEE
Deputy L. Norman of St. Clement , President
Connétable
L . Hamel of St. Clement Deputies
T .J. du Feu of St. Peter
D .R. Maltwood of St. Mary S .M. Baudains of St. Helier D .L. Crespel of St. Helier P .F. Routier of St. Helier
E S TABLISHMENT COMMITTEE
Deputy F.H. Walker of St. Helier , President
Senator
S . Syvret
Connétable
J .P. Le Sueur of St. John Deputies
L . Norman of St. Clement
C .J. Le H. Hinault of St. John S .M. Baudains of St. Helier D .L. Crespel of St. Helier
T E LECOMMUNICATIONS BOARD
Senator N.L. Quérée, President Senators
T .J. Le Main A .B. Chinn
Connétable
F .H. Amy of Grouville Deputies
P .R. Cabot of Trinity
P .F. Routier of St. Helier
F .J. Hill, B.E.M., of St. Martin
E T A T CIVIL COMMITTEE Connétable E. Le G. Godel of St. Mary ,
President
Senator
J .A. Le Maistre Connétable s
L .R. Hamel of St. Clement R .L. Le Brocq of St. Helier
Deputies
T .A. Le Sueur of St. Helier
H .G. Coutanche of St. Lawrence G . Matthews of St. Brelade
L E GISLATION COMMITTEE
Deputy R.E.R. Rumboll of St. Helier , President
Senator
R .R. Jeune , O.B.E. Connétable s
I .M. Le Feuvre of St. Lawrence E .C. Quénault of St. Brelade
Deputies
D .R. Maltwood of St. Mary A .J. Layzell of St. Brelade I .S. Nicholls of Grouville
C O TTAGE HOMES COMMITTEE
Deputy P.J. Le Masurier of St. Ouen , President
Connétable
S .J. de la Haye of St. Martin Deputies
G . Huelin of St. Brelade
M .A. Le Geyt of St. Saviour E .M. Pullin of St. Saviour
J .J. Huet of St. Helier
P R I S O N BOARD
Deputy H.G. Coutanche of St. Lawrence , President
Connétable s
A .P. Querée of St. Ouen M . Pollard of St. Peter
Deputies
C .J. Le H. Hinault of St. John G . Huelin of St. Brelade
R . Duhamel of St. Saviour
P .F. Routier of St. Helier
ANN ALICE RAYNER FUND DELEGATION Senator P.F. Horsfall, President
Connétable
E .C. Quénault of St. Brelade
Deputies
S .M. Baudains of St. Helier A . Breckon of St. Saviour
I .S. Nicholls of Grouville
G AMBLING CONTROL COMMITTEE
Deputy T.J. du Feu of St. Peter , President
Senator
P .A. Bailhache
Connétable s
L .R. Hamel of St. Clement M . Pollard of St. Peter
Deputies
D .L. Crespel of St. Helier P .F. Routier of St. Helier J .J. Huet of St. Helier
SPORT, LEISURE AND RECREATION Senator J.A. Le Maistre, President
Senator
V .A. Tomes
Connétable s
M . Pollard of St. Peter F .H. Amy of Grouville
Deputies
S .M. Baudains of St. Helier
G . Matthews of St. Brelade
F .J. Hill, B.E.M., of St. Martin
O V ERSEAS AID COMMITTEE Senator P.A. Bailhache , President Connétable
E . Le G. Godel of St. Mary Deputies
P .J. Le Masurier of St. Ouen E .M. Pullin of St. Saviour
P .R. Cabot of Trinity
J .T. Johns of St. Helier
A . Breckon of St. Saviour
COMMITTEE FOR POSTAL ADMINISTRATION
Deputy F.H. Walker of St. Helier , President
Senator
S . Syvret Deputies
C .J. Le H. Hinault of St. John T .A. Le Sueur of St. Helier
P .J. Le Masurier of St. Ouen D .A. Carter of St. Helier
J .T. Johns of St. Helier
B R OADCASTING COMMITTEE
Deputy D.L. Crespel of St. Helier , President
Senators
R .J. Shenton C . Stein
Connétable s
F .H. Amy of Grouville J . Roche of St. Saviour
I .S. Nicholls of Grouville
SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER RELATIONSH IP
B ETWEEN COMMITTEES AND THE STATES
Senator R.R. Jeune , O.B.E., President Senators
R .J. Shenton P .F. Horsfall S . Syvret
V .A. Tomes
Deputies
R .E.R. Rumboll of St. Helier D .R. Maltwood of St. Mary
INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE Senator C. Stein, President
Senator
R .J. Shenton
Connétable s
I .M. Le Feuvre of St. Lawrence F .H. Amy of Grouville
Deputies
M .A. Wavell of St. Saviour A . Breckon of St. Saviour I .S. Nicholls of Grouville
H O U SE COMMITTEE
Deputy D.R. Maltwood of St. Mary , President
Senators
R .R. Jeune , O.B.E. S . Syvret
Connétable s
J .P. Le Sueur of St. John
E .C. Quénault of St. Brelade
S .M. Baudains of St. Helier
OCCUPATION AND LIBERATION COMMITTEE Senator J.A. Le Maistre, President
Connétable s
E .C. Quénault of St. Brelade R .L. Le Brocq of St. Helier
Deputies
C .J. Le H. Hinault of St. John
H .G. Coutanche of St. Lawrence S .M. Baudains of St. Helier
P .R. Cabot of Trinity
COMMITTEE OF INQUIRY INTO CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO THE RELEASE FROM CONTRACT OF F ORMER CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF SPORT,
L EISURE AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
Deputy R.E.R. Rumboll of St. Helier , President
JE RSEY TRANSPORT AUTHORITY
Deputy D.R. Maltwood of St. Mary , Chairman
One representative of the following Committees -
H arbours and Airport Committee S ena tor P.A. Bailhache
A griculture and Fisheries Committee S ena tor J.S. Rothwell
T ourism Committee S ena tor C. Stein
Three Members of the States, appointed on the recommendation of the Chairman -
Senator
R .R. Jeune , O.B.E. Deputies
R .E.R. Rumboll of St. Helier A .J. Layzell of St. Brelade
Deputy Industrial Disputes Officer: appointment
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Margaret Anne Le Geyt of St. Saviour and in accordance with Article 2 of the Industrial Disputes (Jersey) Law 1956, as amended, appointed Senator Vernon Amy Tomes as Deputy Industrial Disputes Officer.
Suspension of Standing Order No. 18
THE STATES, adopting a Proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee, suspended Standing Order No. 18 to allow the draft Public Finances (Administration) (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 1993 (Appointed Day) Act 1993 to be considered at this meeting.
Public Finances (Administration) (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 1993 (Appointed Day) Act 1993.
THE STATES, in pursuance of paragraph (3) of Article 9 of the Public Finances
(Administration) (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 1993, made the Public Finances (Administration) (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 1993 (Appointed Day) Act 1993.
Compliments of the season
Senator Reginald Robert Jeune , on behalf of the Senators, Connétable John Pepin Le Sueur of St. John , on behalf of the Connétable s, and Deputy Robin Ernest Richard Rumboll of St. Helier , on behalf of the Deputies, wished the Bailiff and Lady Crill, the Law Officers and the Officers of the States, the compliments of the season.
The Bailiff , in return, wished the Members of the States and their families a Happy Christmas and a Peaceful New Year.
THE STATES rose at 10.25 a.m.
G .H .C . C O P P O C K G r ef fi e r of the States.