States Minutes 17th September 2003

THE STATES assembled on Wednesday,

17th September 2003 at 9.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of Michael Nelson de la Haye Esquire, Greffier of the States.

His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor,

Air Chief Marshal Sir John Cheshire, K.B.E., C.B., was present

All members were present with the exception of –

F r ancis Herbert Amy, Connétable of Grouville – ill

P hi  lip Francis Ozouf , Connétable of St. Saviour – ill

J ohn L  e Sueur Gallichan, Connétable of Trinity – out of the Island

G e offrey William Fisher, Connétable of St. Lawrence – out of the Island R o bert Charles Duhamel, Deputy of St. Saviour – out of the Island

J acq  ueline Jeanette Huet, Deputy of St. Helier – out of the Island

Prayers read by the Deputy Greffier of the States

Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited – P.117/2003 Committee of the Whole House in camera

The Greffier of the States, in pursuance of the decision of the States of 9th September 2003, and in accordance with Standing Order 46(1), ordered the withdrawal of strangers and the closing of the doors of the Chamber in order that the Committee of the Whole House be held in camera.

THE STATES resumed the discussion as a Committee of the Whole House of the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning the Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited.

THE STATES noted that Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman, the Connétable of St. Ouen, the Deputy of St. John and Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence had declared an interest and they were not present during the discussion.

Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 23rd September 2003

THE  STATES,  adopting  a  proposition  of  Senator  Frank   Harris on   Walker ,  President  of  the  Policy  and Resources Committee, agreed that the following matter lodged "au Greffe" would be considered at the next meeting on 23rd September 2003 –

Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited. P.117/2003. Lodged: 29th July 2003.

Policy and Resources Committee.

Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited P.117/2003. (P.117/2003) – addendum to report. Add. Presented: 9th September 2003.

Policy and Resources Committee.

Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement (P.117/2003) – comments. P.117/2003. Presented: 12th August 2003. Com. Finance and Economics Committee.

Members present voted as follows –

"Pour" (34)

Senators

Le Maistre, Norman, Walker , Kinnard, Le Sueur, Le Claire, Routier, M. Vibert , Ozouf . Connétable s

St. Martin, St. Brelade, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clement, St. Helier. Deputies

Trinity , St. Martin, Le Main(H), Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S), Le Herissier(S Fox(H), Bernstein(B), Ferguson(B), St. Mary, St. Ouen, Ryan(H), Taylor (C), Grouville , Hilton(H) De Faye(H).

"Contre" (8)

Senators

Syvret, E. Vibert .

Deputies

Breckon(S), Troy (B), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Southern (H), St. Peter.

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator Frank Harris on Walker , President of the Policy and Resources Committee, agreed that consideration of the proposition of that Committee concerning the Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited would be held in camera.

Members present voted as follows –

"Pour" (32)

Senators

Le Maistre, Norman, Walker , Le Sueur, Le Claire, Routier, M. Vibert , E. Vibert . Connétable s

St. Martin, St. Brelade, St. Mary, St. John, St. Peter, St. Clement, St. Helier. Deputies

Trinity , St. Martin, Le Main(H), Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Troy (B), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S Bernstein(B), Ferguson(B), St. Mary, St. Ouen, Ryan(H), Taylor (C), St. Peter, Hilton(H), De Faye (H).

"Contre" (8)

Senators

Syvret, Kinnard.

Deputies

Breckon(S), Le Herissier, Fox(H), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Southern (H).

Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman, the Connétable of St. Ouen, the Deputy of St. John and Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence, having declared an interest, were not present during this item.

Change in Presidency

The Greffier of the States retired from the Chair following the conclusion of the Committee of the Whole House and the fixing of the date for the consideration of the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning the Fief de la Fosse: proposed agreement with Les Pas Holdings Limited and the States reconvened after the lunch adjournment under the Presidency of the Bailiff .

Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 23rd September 2003

THE STATES agreed that the following matters lodged au Greffe' would also be considered at the next meeting on 23rd September 2003 and that these would be considered as the first items of public business.

Draft Licensing (Licence Fees) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.127/2003. Lodged: 19th August 2003.

Economic Development Committee.

Draft Costs in Criminal Cases (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment No. 6) P.128/2003. (Jersey) Regulations 200-.

Lodged: 9th September 2003.

Finance and Economics Committee.

Parish of St. Peter: grant of a loan. P.129/2003. Lodged: 9th September 2003.

Finance and Economics Committee.

States Resource Plan 2004 – 2008 – P.118/2003 Amendments and Comments

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning the States Resource Plan 2004 – 2008 and of amendments of the Connétable of St. Helier that –

1. at the end of paragraph (a), after the words"those years" there should be inserted the words "and that this should be aided by an explicit plan, based upon reduced public spending, to eliminate the forecast cumulative deficit of £36 million by 2008, with the plan to be presented to the States by the Finance and Economics Committee as part of the 2004 Budget".
2. in sub-paragraph (b)(ii), for the words"3% per annum" there should be substituted the words "2% per annum".

(5) (a ) in sub-paragraph (c)(i), for the words"£48,000,000 each year for the years 2004 to 2008" there should be substituted the words "no more than £40,000,000 each year for the years 2004 to 2008, in place of the sum of £48,000,000 each year"; and

( b ) in paragraph (c)(ii) after the words"Table 8.1" there should be inserted the words

"with the exception of Belle Vue Residential Home (Phase 1) and A&E/Radiology Extension (Phase 1), and with the proposed allocations for all other projects under Allocation to Rolling Votes and Funds' and Building and Civil Engineering Works' being reduced pro rata in order to reduce the total sum allocated in 2004 from £48,000,000 to £40,000,000"; and

(c ) in paragraph c(ii) for the words"and to approve in principle the proposed programme

for 2005 to 2008 as set out in Tables 8.2 to 8.5, respectively" there should be substituted  the  words "and  to  request  the  Policy  and  Resources  Committee,  in consultation  with  any  other  Committee  concerned,  to  review  the  proposed programme for the years 2005 to 2008, as set out in Tables 8.2 to 8.5 respectively, and present to the States a revised programme for those years within an overall total allocation of no more than £40,000,000 each year".

THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed to continue consideration of the amendments and of outstanding items of public business on Thursday 18th September 2003.

Deputy R.C. Duhamel of St. Saviour – attendance

Deputy Robert Charles Duhamel of St. Saviour, having returned to the Island, arrived in the Chamber during the consideration of the amendments of the Connétable of St. Helier to the proposition of the Policy and Resources Committee concerning the States Resource Plan 2004 – 2008 and was present for the remainder of the meeting.

THE STATES rose at 5.35 p.m.

A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States.