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States Minutes 19th October 2004

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THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 19th October 2004 at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of Senator

Jean Amy Le Maistre.

All members were present with the exception of –

S enat  or Paul Francis Routier – out of the Island

T hom  as John du Feu, Connétable of St. Peter – ill

G e offrey William Fisher, Connétable of St. Lawrence – out of the Island Maur  ice François Dubras, Deputy of St. Lawrence – out of the Island

G e offrey John Grime, Deputy of St. Mary – out of the Island

C a rolyn Fiona Labey , Deputy of Grouville – out of the Island

J acq  ueline Ann Hilton, Deputy of St. Helier – ill.

Prayers

Subordinate legislation tabled

The following enactments were laid before the States, namely –

Civil  Service  Administration  (Salaries)  (Amendment  No. 24)  (Jersey)  Order R&O 124/2004. 2004.

Policy and Resources Committee.

Mental Health (General Provisions) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order 2004. R&O 125/2004. Health and Social Services Committee.

Mental Health (Review Tribunal) (Procedure) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order R&O 126/2004. 2004.

Health and Social Services Committee.

Lodging Houses (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 11) (Jersey) Order 2004. R&O 127/2004. Housing Committee.

Matters presented

The following matters were presented to the States –

Responding to Drug use in Jersey: Scrutiny Panel Report. S.R.1/2004. Presented by Deputy J.L. Dorey of St. Helier.

Public Sector Manpower Report: June 2004. R.C.47/2004. Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee.

States Members' parking: withdrawal of provision (P.152/2004) – comments. P.152/2004. Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee. Com.(2)

Draft  Amendment  (No. 27)  to  the  Standing  Orders  of  the  States  of  Jersey P.171/2004. (P.171/2004): amendment (P.171/2004 Amd.) – comments. Amd.Com. Presented by the Privileges and Procedures Committee.

Draft  Amendment  (No. 27)  to  the  Standing  Orders  of  the  States  of  Jersey P.171/2004. (P.171/2004): second amendments (P.171/2004 Amd.(2)) – comments. Amd.(2) Com. Presented by the Privileges and Procedures Committee.

Draft  Amendment  (No. 27)  to  the  Standing  Orders  of  the  States  of  Jersey P.171/2004. (P.171/2004): third amendments (P.171/2004 Amd.(3)) – comments. Amd.(3) Com. Presented by the Privileges and Procedures Committee.

THE STATES ordered that the said reports be printed and distributed. Matters noted – land transactions

THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 14th October 2004, showing that, in pursuance of Standing Orders relating to certain transactions in land, the Committee had approved –

( a ) as recommended by the Environment and Public Services Committee, the assignment of lease to

Premier Service Marine Engineering of the ground site currently known as The Quarry, Gorey Pier, Gorey Pier Road, St. Martin for a period of 99 years at a commencing annual rent of four per cent the estimated rental value of the completed development, rising to six per cent of the estimated rental  after  15 years.  The  first  payment  of  rent  would  be  due  18 months  after  the  leas commencement date in order to allow for demolition and the construction period. The rent would be reviewed on the fifth anniversary of the commencement date and thereafter every five years. The property was to be used for the redevelopment of the site as a mixed use site for marine workshop and residential units in accordance with plans yet to be approved by the Environment and Public Services Committee. Each party was to be responsible for its own legal costs arising from the transaction;

( b ) as recommended by the Environment and Public Services Committee –

( i) t he sub-lease by Avo Shocks International Limited to Sonnic Cleaning Services Limited of

premises (measuring 3,684 square feet with an additional yard area of 775 square feet) at Unit 5, La Rue Gosset, La Collette, St. Helier, for a period of nine years from 25th September 2004, on the basis that the public's reasonable professional fees arising from the transaction would be met; and

(i i ) t he assignment of the lease from Channel Islands Welding Limited to Edmondson Electrical

Limited, of a gross internal area of 3,915 square feet with an external yard and store (measuring 160 square feet), for a period of nine years, at an annual rent of £34,250, subject to the conditions contained in the report of the Director of Property Services dated 14th September 2004,  on  the  basis  that  the  public's  reasonable  surveyor's  fees  of £100  arising  from  the transaction would be met; and,

(c ) as recommended by the Environment and Public Services Committee, the lease to Mr. Charles Richard Lee of Field No. 87, La Route des Quennevais, St. Brelade (measuring approximatel

4.30.00 vergées), to be used for agricultural purposes only, for a period of three years from 1st July 2004, at an annual rent of £200 payable on 1st January each year, on the basis that the Committee retained the right to recover a strip of the field along the main road for the creation of a cycle track, with each party to be responsible for its own legal costs arising from the transaction.

Matters lodged

The following matters were lodged "au Greffe" –

Draft States of Jersey Law 200- (P.124/2004): amendments. P.124/2004. Presented by Deputy S.C. Ferguson of St. Brelade. Amd.

Jersey Airport: Fireground Remediation – Deed of Settlement. P.176/2004.

Presented by the Harbours and Airport Committee.

Draft Restriction on Smoking (Sales of Cigarettes to Children) (Amendment) P.177/2004. (Jersey) Regulations 200-.

Presented by the Health and Social Services Committee.

States Auditors: further extension of contract. P.178/2004. Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee.

Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 26th October 2004

THE STATES granted leave to Deputy Celia Joyce Scott Warr en of St. Saviour to withdraw the following matter, which had been set down for consideration at the next meeting on 26th October 2004 –

Jersey Post Headquarters canteen: rescindment of permission. P.174/2004. Lodged: 12th October 2004.

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en of St. Saviour.

Bus Service: rescindment of decisions relating to concessionary fares and adult fares after 8.00 p.m. – P.150/2004

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Roy George Le Hérissier of St. Saviour concerning the Bus Service: rescindment of decisions relating to concessionary fares and adult fares after 8.00 p.m., and, following discussion, adopted a proposition of Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement that, in accordance with a decision of the States on 26th May 2004, regarding the closure of a debate, the question be now put.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 27 CONTRE: 10 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator E.P. Vibert Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. John

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)


Senator S. Syvret

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator M.E. Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy  C.J.   Scott Warr en (S)

Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

Deputy of St. Peter

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (a)(i) of the proposition, requested the Environment and Public Services Committee to rescind its decision to remove senior citizen concessionary fares in rush-hour travel, namely from the commencement of the morning service until 09.00 a.m. and between 5.00 p.m. and 6.00 p.m.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 34 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator M.E. Vibert

Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. John

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter


Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (a)(ii) of the proposition, requested the Environment and Public Services Committee to rescind its decision to impose a £2 minimum fare for adults on all travel after 8.00 p.m.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 1

Senator S. Syvret Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Senator L. Norman Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator F.H. Walker Connétable of St. Saviour

Senator W. Kinnard Connétable of St. Brelade

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Connétable of St. John

Senator M.E. Vibert Deputy of Trinity

Senator E.P. Vibert Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Senator R.J. Shenton Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)

Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. John

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Peter


Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of the proposition, charged the Environment and Public Services Committee to prepare a revised Bus Transport Strategy and to present it to the States for approval within 3 months.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 26 CONTRE: 19 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St. Peter


Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity

Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. John Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

Fields 519, 520, 521, 524, 527 and 528, Trinity – rescindment of planning permit – P.74/2004 (re-issue) Comments, Addendum to Comments (2)

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Senator Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire concerning Fields 519, 520, 521, 524, 527 and 528, Trinity – rescindment of planning permit, asking them to agree to request that the Environment and Public Services Committee –

( a ) rescind its decision to grant permission to Mr. C. Gallichan, Woodside Farms, La Hocquarderi

Trinity , to form a temporary access to Field 527, culvert stream, form a new natural filling reservoir and fill the valley to raise Fields 519, 520, 521, 524 and 528, Trinity to upgrade soil quality and manageability;

( b ) present to the States without delay a report setting out the background to the application and, in

particular, setting out the manner in which it was publicised and which politicians took part in the process and the application; and,

(c ) take steps to bring into effect as soon as possible measures that would require all planning

applications to be publicised through the posting of notices on the application site to enable neighbouring residents and other interested parties to be informed of applications and to be able to submit objections within a reasonable time.

THE STATES, following consideration, adopted a proposition of the Connétable of Trinity that, in accordance with a decision of the States on 26th May 2004, regarding the closure of a debate, the question be now put.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31 CONTRE: 6 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. John

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St. Peter


Senator S. Syvret

Senator M.E. Vibert Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

THE STATES then granted leave to Senator Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire to withdraw the proposition. Shadow Public Accounts Committee: appointment of member – P.163/2004

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Sarah Craig Ferguson of St. Brelade, referred to their Act dated 7th July 2004, in which they agreed that the composition of the Shadow Public Accounts Committee should be amended to include 2 additional States members, not being Presidents of Committees or members of the Finance and Economics Committee or Privileges and Procedures Committee, with the additional members being appointed by the States on the nomination of the Shadow Chairman of the Committee, and –

appoi nted the Connétable of Grouville as a member of the Shadow Public Accounts Committee for the

period ending 27th January 2005.

Car parking charges: allocation of additional income to the funding of transport initiatives – P.147/2004

Comments and Amendments

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Environment and Public Services Committee concerning car parking charges: allocation of additional income to the funding of transport initiatives, and rejected an amendment of Deputy John Benjamin Fox of St. Helier that in paragraph (a), after the words"to agree that" there be inserted the words " ,following the presentation to the States of a comprehensive parking strategy, to include the provision of Residents' Parking Schemes in St. Helier and other built up areas of the Island, and", and that for the words "such as" there be substituted the words ", including the provision of a Hoppa' type bus serving the town area,".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 10 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN:

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. John

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)


Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator M.E. Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity

Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)

Deputy of St. Peter Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Environment and Public Services Committee –

( a ) agreed that, following the implementation of the necessary legislative changes to allow the raising of

income from parking charges in excess of the sums required to maintain and operate the Car Parking Trading Fund, any additional income raised in this way should be allocated to the Environment and Public Services Committee for the funding of transport initiatives such as the bus service and highway maintenance; and,

( b ) charged the Finance and Economics Committee, in consultation with the Environment and Public

Services Committee, to take the necessary practical steps to implement the proposal.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 21 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 1

Senator F.H. Walker Deputy  C.J.   Scott Warr en

Senator W. Kinnard (S)

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.V.F. Le Claire

Senator M.E. Vibert Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator R.J. Shenton

Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy of Trinity Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. John Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)

Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)   Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)

Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

Draft Road Traffic (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 200- P.146/2004

THE STATES commenced consideration of the draft Road Traffic (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 200-, and adopted the preamble.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 21 CONTRE: 14 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity


Senator W. Kinnard

Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert

Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)

Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)


Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Peter

Articles 1 and 2 were adopted.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Road Traffic (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 200-.

Adjournment

THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed that outstanding matters of public business should stand over until its next meeting on Tuesday 26th October 2004, at which they would be taken as the first items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 6.07 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States.