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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday, 21st July 2004, at 9.30 a.m. under
the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Philip Bailhache .
All members were present with the exception of –
S enat or Frank Harris on Walker – out of the Island
S enat or Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire – out of the Island
S enat or Edward Philip Vibert – out of the Island
Maxw ell Robert de la Haye, Connétable of St. Brelade – out of the Island T er ence John Le Main, Deputy of St. Helier– out of the Island
C e lia Joyce Scott Warr en, Deputy of St. Saviour– out of the Island
Prayers read by the Deputy Greffier of the States
Sale of Properties – P.119/2004
Comments – P.119/2004.Com.; Comments – P.119/2004.Com.(2).; Amendment – P.119/2004.Amd.
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Housing Committee concerning the sale of properties, and an amendment of Deputy Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade that the following paragraph be substituted for paragraph (b) –
"t o agr ee that the proceeds of the sale of the above premises should be remitted to the Treasurer of the
States and returned to the general revenues of the States;".
THE STATES, following consideration of the amendment, and in accordance with its decision of 26th May 2004 regarding the closure of a debate, adopted a proposition of Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf that the question be now put.
Members present voted on the proposition of Senator Ozouf as follows –
POUR: 36 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John
Senator S. Syvret
Senator M.E. Vibert Connétable of St. Helier Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains
(C)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES rejected the amendment of Deputy Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade, and, in pursuance of Standing Order 31C relating to the procedure for a recorded vote when the electronic voting system was unavailable, agreed to vote by appel nominal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 16 CONTRE: 31 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains
(C)
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Housing Committee concerning the sale of properties, and, following discussion, Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence, in accordance with its decision of 26th May 2004, regarding the closure of a debate, proposed that the question be now put. The President ruled that the proposition of Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence was an infringement of the rights of the minority, and the proposition was disallowed. After further discussion, the President, in accordance with Standing Order 26(1), disallowed a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin that the matter be referred back to the Housing Committee.
THE STATES, having resumed consideration of the proposition of the Housing Committee concerning the sale of properties, adopted a proposition of Senator Jean Amy Le Maistre that the question be now put, and, in pursuance of Standing Order 31C relating to the procedure for a recorded vote when the electronic voting system was unavailable, agreed to vote by appel nominal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 31 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Clement Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Housing Committee –
(a ) aut horised the sale, on the open market, of the following unoccupied properties –
- O l d S tation House, Corbière, St. Brelade
- Wi nche ster House, Winchester Street, St. Helier
- 101 D on Road, St. Helier
- E as t T elephone Exchange, St. Saviour
- A m y 's House, St. Martin
- L ' H ôpi tal, St. Martin
- T he C oach House, 48 Rouge Bouillon;
(b ) a ut horised the Housing Committee to utilise the proceeds of sale of the above properties to undertake the phased refurbishment of Le Clos de Roncier, St. Clement; and,
(c ) aut horised the Attorney General and the Greffier of the States to pass on behalf of the Public
any contract that might be necessary to pass in connection with the sale of the properties referred to in paragraph (a) above,
and, in pursuance of Standing Order 31C relating to the procedure for a recorded vote when the electronic voting system was unavailable, agreed to vote by appel nominal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 31 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN:
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Senator Frank Harris on Walker – attendance
Senator Frank Harris on Walker returned to the Island prior to consideration of the proposition of Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf that the question be now put on the amendment of Deputy Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade concerning the sale of properties, (P.119/2004 Amd. lodged"au Greffe" on 6th July 2004), and was present for the remainder of the meeting.
Change in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chair following consideration of the amendment of Deputy Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Breladeconcerning the sale of properties, (P.119/2004 Amd. lodged "au Greffe" on 6th July 2004), and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States.
Draft Stamp Duties and Fees (No. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P .53/2004 Second Amendment – P.53/2004.Amd.(2)
THE STATES commenced consideration of the draft Stamp Duties and Fees (No. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 200-, as amended by an amendment of the Finance and Economics Committee, (P.53/2004 Amd.(2) lodged "au Greffe" on 6th July 2004), that the following paragraph be substituted for paragraph (1) of item 2 –
"(1) In the Petty Debts Court – |
|
|
|
(a) Whe re the claim does not exceed £100 | £2 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(b ) W here the claim exceeds £100 but does not exceed £1,000 | £10 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(c ) W here the claim exceeds £1,000 but does not exceed £2,500 | £25 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(d ) W here the claim exceeds £2,500 | £40 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(e ) F or expulsion of a refractory tenant | £25 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(f ) In pu rsuance of the Separation and Maintenance Orders (Jersey) Law 1953 or the Maintenance Orders (Facilities for Enforcement) (Jersey) Law 2000 | £25 | Claim Summary | Greffier |
(g ) E ach intervention or opposition made during the hearing | £25 | Intervention or Opposition | Greffier |
(h ) F ixing a date for a trial or hearing | £25 | Application or Claim Summary | Greffier" |
THE STATES adopted the preamble.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 35 CONTRE: 6 ABSTAIN:
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Regulations 1 and 2, together with the Schedule were adopted.
THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 3 of the Stamp Duties and Fees (Jersey) Law 1998, made Regulations entitled Stamp Duties and Fees (No. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 2004.
Change in Presidency
The Bailiff returned to the Chamber during consideration of the preamble to the draft Stamp Duties and Fees (No. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 2004, as amended, of the Finance and Economics Committee, (P.53/2004 lodged "au Greffe" on 6th April 2004 and P.53/2004 Amd.(2) lodged "au Greffe" on 6th July 2004), and the meeting continued under his presidency.
Fields 181, 182 and 183, St. Peter: restriction on development – P.133/2004
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Deputy of St. Peter concerning Fields 181, 182 and 183, St. Peter: restriction on development, and, following discussion, adopted a proposition of the Deputy of St. John that, in accordance with its decision of 26th May 2004, regarding the closure of a debate,
the question be now put.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 24 CONTRE: 19 ABSTAIN:
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St. Peter
Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Peter Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Deputy of St. Peter,referred to their Act dated 10th July 2002, in which they agreed to re-zone Fields 181, 182 and 183, St. Peter for Category A Housing, and requested the Environment and Public Services Committee to limit development on the said site to a maximum of 54 three- bedroomed two-storey units or 68 two-bedroomed two-storey units, or any equivalent combination of three and two-bedroomed units.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25 CONTRE: 18 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator L. Norman
Senator W. Kinnard Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Helier Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains
(C)
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)
Change in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chair during consideration of the proposition of the Deputy of St. Peter concerning Fields 181, 182 and 183, St. Peter: restriction on development, (P.133/2004 lodged"au Greffe" on 6th July 2004), and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States.
Draft Nursing and Residential Homes (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 200- P.132/2004
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled Nursing and Residential Homes (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 200-.
Adjournment
THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 22nd July 2004, in order to continue consideration of the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.20 p.m.
A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States.