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THE STATES assembled on Tuesday, 3rd February 2004 at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Philip Bailhache .
His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor,
Air Chief Marshal Sir John Cheshire, K.B.E., C.B., was present
All members were present with the exception of –
S e nator Terence Augustine Le Sueur – out of the Island
K e nneth Priaulx Vibert , Connétable of St. Ouen– ill
A l an Simon Crowcroft , Connétable of St. Helier – ill
J o hn Benjamin Fox, Deputy of St. Helier – out of the Island J e nnifer-Anne Bridge, Deputy of St. Helier – ill
G e offrey John Grime, Deputy of St. Mary – out of the Island.
Prayers
Tribute to the late Jurat Philip Francis Misson, former Viscount
The Bailiff paid tribute to the late Jurat Philip Francis Misson, former Viscount and officer of the States. THE STATES observed one minute's silence as a mark of respect.
Subordinate legislation tabled
The following enactment was laid before the States, namely –
Community Provisions (Prohibiting the Sale, Supply and Export of Certain R&O 8/2004. Equipment to, and Freezing the Funds of Certain Officials of, Burma/Myanmar)
(Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Order 2004.
Employment and Social Security Committee – resignation of member
THE STATES noted the resignation of Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St. Helier from the Employment and Social Security Committee.
Matters presented
The following matters were presented to the States –
Draft Burials and Exhumations (Jersey) Law 200- (P.170/2003): comments. P.170/2003. Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee. Com.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports P.196/2003. (P.196/2003) – comments. Com.(2)
Presented by the Policy and Resources Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports P.196/2003/ (P.196/2003) – comments. Com.(3) Presented by the Finance and Economics Committee.
Bus Strategy: Connex contract supporting documentation with reference to R.C.4/2004. Questions of the President.
Presented by the Environment and Public Services Committee.
THE STATES ordered that the said reports be printed and distributed. Matters noted – acceptance of tender
THE STATES noted an Act of the Finance and Economics Committee dated 28th January 2004, showing that, in pursuance of Rule 5 of the Public Finances (General) (Jersey) Rules 1967, as amended, the Committee had noted that the Education, Sport and Culture Committee had accepted the lowest tender received for the proposed development of a two-form entry primary school to replace the existing La Pouquelaye School, St. Helier – namely that submitted by Camerons Limited in the sum of £4,874,243 in a contract period of 70 weeks.
Matters lodged
The following matters were lodged "au Greffe" –
Draft Animal Welfare (Jersey) Law 200- (P.126/2003): amendments. P.126/2003. Presented by Deputy of St. Martin, and referred to the Finance and Economics Amd. Committee.
Draft Police Force (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Law 200- (P.9/2004): P.9/2004. amendment. Amd. Presented by the Deputy of St. Martin.
Projet de Loi (200-) (Amendement No. 10) réglant la procédure criminelle. P.13/2004. Presenté par le Comité de Législation.
Environment and Public Services Committee: vote of no confidence. P.14/2004. Presented by Senator E.P. Vibert .
Jersey Child Care Trust: appointment of Chairman. P.15/2004. Presented by the Education, Sport and Culture Committee.
Income Tax: allowance for children over 17 in full-time education. P.16/2004. Presented by Deputy of St. Martin, and referred to the Finance and Economics
Committee.
Building a safer society. P.17/2004. Presented by the Home Affairs Committee.
Shadow Public Accounts Committee: appointment of Member. P.18/2004. Presented by Deputy S.C. Ferguson of St. Brelade.
Le Squez and part of Le Marais Estate, St. Clement: redevelopment. P.19/2004. Presented by the Housing Committee, and referred to the Finance and Economics
Committee.
Fairtrade Island. P.20/2004. Presented by Senator J.A. Le Maistre, and referred to the Environment and Public
Services Committee.
Housing Committee: vote of no confidence. P.21/2004. Presented by Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
Château La Chaire, Rozel, St. Martin: use of public funds. P.22/2004. Presented by the Deputy of St. John, and referred to the Economic Development
Committee.
Building a safer society' – P.12/2004 – withdrawn
THE STATES noted that in accordance with Standing Order 22(3), the President of the Home Affairs Committee had instructed the Greffier of the States to withdraw the proposition regarding Building a safer society', (P.12/2004 lodged "au Greffe" on 27th January 2004), the Committee having lodged a revised proposition at the present meeting.
Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 17th February 2004
THE STATES confirmed that the following matters lodged "au Greffe" would be considered at the next meeting on 17th February 2004, having agreed that these should be taken in the following order –
Environment and Public Services Committee: vote of no confidence. P.14/2004. Lodged: 3rd February 2004.
Senator E.P. Vibert .
Housing committee: vote of no confidence. P.21/2004. Lodged: 3rd February 2004.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
Public and Private Sector Housing Rental Subsidy Schemes: income disregard – P.5/2004. rescindment.
Lodged: 20th January 2004.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
Benefits paid by the Housing and Employment and Social Security Committees: P.116/2003. protection.
Lodged: 29th July 2003.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
Benefits paid by the Housing and Employment and Social Security Committees: P.116/2003. protection (P.116/2003) – comments. Com. Presented: 23rd September 2003.
Employment and Social Security Committee.
Benefits paid by the Housing and Employment and Social Security Committees: P.116/2003. protection (P.116/2003) – comments. Com.(2) Presented: 23rd September 2003.
Housing Committee.
Benefits paid by the Housing and Employment and Social Security Committees: P.116/2003. protection (P.116/2003) – comments. Com.(3)
Presented: 18th November 2003. Finance and Economics Committee.
Draft The Law Society of Jersey Law 200-. P.154/2003. Lodged: 11th November 2003.
Legislation Committee.
Disability Benefit System: reform. P.178/2003. Lodged: 25th November 2003.
Employment and Social Security Committee.
Disability Benefit System: reform (P.178/2003) – comments. P.178/2003. Presented: 20th January 2004. Com. Finance and Economics Committee.
Draft Drainage (Jersey) Law 200-. P.193/2003. Lodged: 16th December 2003.
Environment and Public Services Committee.
Draft Shipping (SOLAS) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.3/2004. Lodged: 20th January 2004.
Harbours and Airport Committee.
Draft Shipping (Load Line) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.4/2004. Lodged: 20th January 2004.
Harbours and Airport Committee.
Jersey Child Care Trust: appointment of Chairman. P.15/2004 Lodged: 3rd February 2004.
Education, Sport and Culture Committee.
A recent advertisement placed by the Health and Social Services Committee – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
The Deputy of St. John asked Senator Stuart Syvret, President of the Health and Social Services Committee, the following question –
" W ould the President inform members of the cost of the advertisement which was placed in the November 2003 issue of the Royal College of Nursing RCN Bulletin, and explain why the words with plenty of funds and no shortage of facilities' were used in the advertisement in view of the current States policy of financial restraint in the current economic climate?"
The President of the Health and Social Services Committee replied as follows –
" T he advertisement of November 2003 in the Royal College of Nursing Bulletin is part of a broader pro- active campaign developed in 2002 to ensure that Jersey is able to continue to attract quality nursing staff to the Island, in the face of serious competition and a world shortage of qualified nurses. This campaign replaces the previous strategy of placing individual adverts for individual vacancies and is considerably more cost effective than the former arrangements. In 2002, the cost of placing individual adverts for professional vacancies was £146,000. The campaign which now includes individual job vacancies within an overall promotion of Health and Social Services in Jersey as an attractive employer, reduced the annual advertising cost in 2003 to £90,000.
T he campaign has been extremely successful in creating a continuous stream of prospective applications which, with the exception of certain specialist areas which continue to prove difficult, has greatly assisted in
ensuring continuity of a high quality nursing service for the Island. The reference to plenty of funds and no
shortage of facilities' was a direct quote from new recruits to the service who were interviewed during the development of the campaign in 2002 to elicit the attractive differences between working in Jersey in comparison with working in some parts of the U.K. National Health Service."
The bus service – questions and answers (Tape No. 890)
Senator Edward Philip Vibert asked Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence, President of th Environment and Public Services Committee, the following questions –
" 1 .(a) Would the President inform members of the current position regarding the proposed States audit of the tender process leading up to the appointment of Connex?
(b ) W ould the president confirm that the proposed audit –
( i) h a s n o legal status and will simply examine correspondence between the Department and
their consultants and interested parties involved at the time?
( ii ) c a n o nly request examination of such documents and cannot investigate whether all the
documents have been produced?
(i i i) h a s n o power to call for documents from outside parties or take any action if such parties
refused to co-operate?
(i v ) w i ll b e assisted fully by the Department no matter how long the audit process takes?
( c) D oes the Committee intend to bring a report and proposition to the States calling for a public
enquiry into the tender process following the States audit?
2 . (a) Will the President confirm the following extracts from a letter he sent to the Finance and
Economics Committee on 19th May 2003 –
(i ) a fter tenders were received and the contract was awarded to Connex, it came to light that the
TGWU had negotiated a substantial increase with Jersey Bus in the form of a shift allowance of £72 per week in addition to a cost of living increase';
(i i) at no time during the tender process up to the award of the contract did the TGWU advise
the States, its consultants or all of the tenderers that such a substantial claim had been submitted';
(i ii ) t he Committee was outraged at the conniving that appears to have taken place between the
TGWU and Jersey Bus, in particular the complete silence from the TGWU during the tendering process on the extent of the wage claim'.
(b ) W ould the President inform members whether the Committee's consultants, Halcrow, exchanged
correspondence with Jersey Bus in advance of the tender process outlining the TGWU claim in full, and, if so, whether this information was passed on to all tenderers?
( c ) Would the President agree that what was stated in the letter to the Finance and Economics
Committee, as indicated by him in answer to questions on 9th December 2003, was misleading, and will he provide an apology to the owners of Jersey Bus, its executives and officials of the TGWU?
3 . W ould the President inform members whether an officer of the Department attended a meeting with representatives of Halcrow and Jersey Bus on 28th February 2003, at which the claim for a shift
allowance/pay award was discussed?
4 . ( a) W hen the Committee decided in May 2003, to pay an additional £187,000 to Connex on the
grounds that it was not aware that Jersey Bus had entered into a shift allowance/pay award agreement with the Union, did it seek the advice of its consultants, Halcrow, and, if not, could he explain the reasons why? If Halcrow's advice was sought, would the President inform members what that advice was?
(b ) W ould the President inform members whether the Committee –
(i ) w as aware that Connex had stated in its tender that "wage costs included the payment in full
of the 2002 wage award"?
(i i ) w as aware that the tender document made it very clear that it was up to the tenderers to
ensure that the information they were given was accurate and that "no claim from the contractor for additional payment will be allowed on the grounds of misinterpretation of any matters related to the contract documents on which the contractor could reasonably have satisfied itself?"
(i ii ) s ought legal advice on whether or not Connex had any legal right to the £187,000 extra paid
to it?
5 . W ould the President confirm whether the tenders submitted by Connex and Jersey Bus both included the
same provision for relief buses and payment of the shift allowance/pay award, and, if not, whether any difference was recognised during the tender process and whether any action will now be taken?
6 . W ould the President inform members of the amount paid by the Committee to transport consultants
Halcrow in the years 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004, and whether the level of service received from this company during the tendering process was in accordance with the agreed terms and conditions?
7 . W ould the President confirm that the bus service from Elizabeth Terminal to St. Helier, which operated
from 1st June until 30th September 2003, carried only 8,690 passengers at a cost of£43,000, which works out at £5 per passenger, and would he advise members –
( a ) t he basis for the decision to run this service?
( b ) w hy it was allowed to run so long making such heavy losses?
( c ) w hether a demand study was run before putting the service in place? 8 . W ould the President –
( a ) confirm that the Public Services Department provided facilities at the PSD's Bellozanne
Workshops for the checking and preparation of Connex buses when they arrived in the Island in 2002, prior to their inspection by Driver and Vehicle Standards, and prior to awarding each bus its licence to operate on Island roads?
( b ) c onfirm that Connex received engineering and mechanical assistance by the Department in the
absence of their own being in place initially, and, if so, whether this had any implications for the work and staff commitments of the Department?
(c ) i nform members of the cost, to the States, if any, of – (i ) th e assistance provided;
(i i) t he bus equipment at La Collette garage;
(i ii ) f itting out No. 6 Gosset Chambers to provide offices for Connex at the Weighbridge; and,
(i v ) employing a private company to administer the bus pass scheme for pensioners and Health
Insurance Exemption holders?
9 . W ill the President confirm –
(a ) t hat the gap between fare revenue and operating costs for 2003 totalled £2,482,045 and that this
figure includes the fuel rebate plus all the items listed in the previous question, and , if not, what the final figure is?
(b ) t hat in 2001, Jersey Bus operated an almost identical service for a cost to the taxpayer of £710,000? (c ) w hether the Committee will be reviewing whether the Connex service represents value for money?
1 0 . (a) W ill the President confirm that he was present at a meeting with the Finance and Economics
Committee on 12th March 2001, in his capacity as a member of the Jersey Bus Strategy Steering Group, and that, at that time, it was estimated that fare revenue for the Island bus service was £3 million and that the new service would require£1,350,000 of public funding subsidy?
(b ) I n view of the fact that the Bus Report presented to the States on 9th December 2003, states that the
estimate for fare revenue was £2,500,000, would the President explain the discrepancy that exists between these two figures?
1 1 . Would the President confirm that the proposed cuts to the bus service are as a direct result of the need
for Connex to recoup the £187,000 in this year's operation?
1 2 . (i) W ould the President inform members whether, after a year of operation, the level of relief buses to
meet the tender requirements has now been quantified, and, if so, whether they will be provided both in the winter and summer from now on at no further cost to the taxpayer?
(i i) W ould the President inform members –
(a ) o f the level of relief buses required?
(b ) t he number of drivers' hours per week? and,
(c ) o f the total cost per week during the winter and summer timetables?
1 3 . Would the President inform members whether any public funds have been used in purchasing buses for
Connex or whether any arrangements have been entered into to assist Connex in the purchase of its vehicles?
1 4 . Would the President inform members –
(a ) w hether the bus contract between the Committee and Connex was not signed until December 2002,
even though the service began in September 2002, and, if so, the reasons for this? and,
(b ) w hy the Committee accepted Connex's claim that it did not know about the shift/pay allowance at
the time the contract was signed given that the Committee's Bus Report presented to the States on 9th December 2003, clearly stated that this was in fact known in May 2002?
1 5 . Would the President inform members whether any changes were made to the conditions of tender'
document when they were incorporated into the final contract with Connex, and, if so, what these were, who initiated them, and why they were made?
1 6 . Would the President inform members whether the cut in services, as detailed in the Committee's Bus
Report presented to the States on 9th December 2003, was as a result of passenger demand and, therefore, unrelated to the £187,000 shortfall experienced by Connex as a result of the shift/pay allowance?
1 7 . Would the President inform members of the basis of calculation of the £400,000 estimated loss of
revenue to the States incurred as a result of the Easy Link network, as detailed in the Committee's Bus Report presented to the States on 9th December 2003?
1 8 . (a) W ould the President inform members whether some school children who were previously taken to
school on a dedicated school bus service are now having to rely on scheduled services, and, if so, would he advise –
(i ) h ow many children are affected by this cut to the school bus service?
(i i ) w hether the children are being taken to the school or being dropped off at the nearest bus
stop?
(i ii ) w hether some of the children have to catch more than one bus to get to school? (i v ) whether some of the children have to catch buses earlier?
(v ) w hether some of the children get to school late?
(b ) W ould the President advise members whether the decision to effect this change was purely a cost-
cutting exercise rather than to improve the school bus service?"
The President of the Environment and Public Services Committee replied as follows –
" 1 . (a) T he Chief Internal Auditor has carried out an audit trail, (R.C.4, Annexe 1), of the files and paperwork at Public Services and provided by Halcrow, the Committee's consultant, relating to the bus drivers' shift allowance, for the period 1st January 2002, to 1st May, 2002. This was Stage 1 of the review and covered the period during which tenders were sought. The Chief Internal Auditor has now completed her work. Stage 2, looking at the related activities up to commencement of service at the end of September, is now being put in train.
( b ) ( i) T h e review has no formal legal basis. However, it has been conducted by the Chief
Internal Auditor who also has a duty by direction of the Treasurer of the States, (see Article 10, Public Finance (Administration) (Jersey) Law 1967), to audit the accounts of every Committee and Department of the States of Jersey. The review was considered to be an expeditious and cost-effective method of performing an investigation which would address the specific issue raised. It has been undertaken in respect of specific terms of reference, (R.C.4, Annexe 2).
( ii ) T h e Department and the Consultants have co-operated fully. The Department has made
available all files related to the bus strategy and the Consultants have provided copies of all their relevant documents.
(i ii ) I c o nfirm this is the case but such powers are not expected to be required. (i v ) I c o n firm this is the case.
(c ) I believe a Committee of Inquiry into the whole tender process will be extremely time consuming and might not be the most appropriate approach. The Committee met yesterday to discuss the
options and is consulting its legal advisers to determine the most appropriate form of inquiry. It
will be greatly influenced by the outcome of Stage 2 of the investigation into the related activities, following the tender process, up to the commencement of service at the end of September 2002.
2 . ( a) I confirm that (i) to (iii) are extracts from a letter dated 19th May 2003, from myself to the
President of the Finance and Economics Committee, a copy of which letter was provided to Senator Vibert on 6th January 2004, (R.C.4, Annexe 3).
(b ) T he Consultants did indeed receive a copy of the TGWU's claim, dated 6th February 2002, by fax
sent by Jersey Bus, (R.C.4, Annexe 4), on 12th February 2002. This was 4 days after the origina date notified for issuing new tender information of 8th February 2002. The audit has confirmed that a copy of the claim letter dated 6th February 2002, faxed by Jersey Bus on 12th February 2002, was passed by the Consultants to and received by all tenderers as an attachment to Bulletin Number 2. However, the audit has also confirmed that there is no evidence of any fax, letter, e- mail or other method of correspondence regarding the shift allowance being received by the Department during the tender period.
(c ) I n light of the information that is now available, particularly the Jersey Bus fax of 12th February
2002, which only came to my attention on 11th December 2003, I accept that extract (a)(iii), above, in retrospect is not correct. I have written letters to the owners and directors of Jersey Bus and the TGWU apologising for any unnecessary distress that these comments may have caused.
3 . The Consultants arranged a meeting with representatives of Jersey Bus to clarify aspects of the operator's
tender. This was one of a series of meetings with all five bidding organisations which, with the exception of the Jersey Bus meeting, took place in the U.K. The Director of Traffic and Transportation attended this meeting, with the Consultants' representative. The records of the meeting do not contain any specific details of the pay claim, particularly any explicit claim for a £72 per week shift allowance, and it appears it was not expressly discussed
4 . ( a) T he Committee did seek the Consultants' advice. The Consultants' advice in April 2003, was that
it would be reasonable for the States to meet the claim.
(b ) ( i) C o nnex's tender had a statement that had a similar meaning to that stated by the Senator,
but not as quoted by him. I cannot confirm that all the members who have received the documentation were aware of the statement.
(i i) A s in (i), I cannot confirm that all members were aware of this clause. Nevertheless, this is
a standard type of clause in conditions of contract. However, in compliance with the wishes of the States when it approved the Bus Strategy, it was expected at the outset of the tendering process that the successful operator would be working in partnership with the States.
(i i i) T h e Committee has received legal and technical advice in respect of the matter set out in
the question posed. In light of recent disclosures, the Committee has revisited the issue and yesterday received further advice in relation to the legal position on the basis of the facts presently available. In Jersey, as in other jurisdictions, it is convention that Law Officers' advice is not released.
5 . A s Jersey Bus was the only organisation that had all the information on passenger demand throughout the year, only Jersey Bus could accurately provide for relief buses in its tender. Other tenderers, including Connex, could only use the information available, observation, investigation and their experience to estimate the level of provision. However, both these operators indicated using similar
numbers of vehicles and, within the bounds of tendering, the Consultants were satisfied that similar provision was made. It is not normal in a tender process for bidders to submit detailed breakdowns and calculations of their bids so it is not possible without obtaining these original verified calculations to confirm that both operators included the same wage rates, hours and other allowances. I have confirmed with Halcrow that the Consultants sought to ensure that all bidders had submitted reasonable compliant
tenders. In its confidential report on tenders, the Consultants drew attention to significant variations in
submissions from tenderers. It is my conclusion that the tender process was fair and comprehensive. Recent information will require the present Committee to investigate certain post-tender matters further.
6 . F ees and expenses paid to Halcrow were as follows –
2001 £5,000.00 2002 £60,274.67 2003 £12,041.97 2004 nil to date
T h e s e rvices provided by the Consultants are in accordance with the proposal submitted by them in July
2001. Given the problems of administering the bus tender due to the lack of information from the previous operator that would normally have been available to bidders, in the opinion of those directly involved, the Consultants performed well during the tender period and up to commencement of the contract.
7 . T he Harbour service operated from 1st June to 31st August 2003, and carried 8,690 passengers at a cost
of £43,023.
(a ) T he decision followed a specific request from Jersey Harbours, an agreement to share a proportion
of any losses by the Harbours and Airport Committee and followed longstanding calls from the Parish of St. Helier, Centre Ville and the Bus Users Forum. It was considered opportune to provide a service that would serve new housing at Albert Walk and the new Waterfront development. It also presented an opportunity to encourage ferry passengers onto the Connex network.
(b ) T he service was experimental and reviewed several times by the Committee. Cancellation met with
resistance from Jersey Harbours and other interested parties. There are at least five services operated on the current scheduled network that have a higher cost per passenger.
(c ) T he service was agreed on the basis of passenger figures supplied by Jersey Harbours, and assessed
likely demand from the Waterfront complex and residents of Albert Walk. In the event, Albert Walk occupation was delayed and the Aquasplash was completed later than expected.
A n e w f e r ry service from Normandy was expected, but the operators of the service suffered a
significant delay in delivery and licensing of the vessels.
8 . ( a) Yes, I so confirm. Construction had been delayed on the new bus garage at La Collette. In the
interim, the most practical cost-effective option was to provide short-term facilities, at Bellozanne, until such time as the facility at La Collette was ready for occupation.
(b ) A ssistance from the Department's staff was paid for by Connex and, in the main, the work was
undertaken principally outside normal working hours with no effect on the existing commitments of the Department.
(c ) ( i) N il . (i i) N i l .
( ii i) T h e cost of making Gosset Chambers habitable was £62,839. Until such time as the
facilities are available in the new Transportation Centre, the Committee is obliged to provide accommodation at the Weighbridge for public information, a crew room, lost property and site supervisor.
(i v ) T h e cost to the previous Committee of a private company administering the first issue of
concessionary passes was –
Administration costs £35,874 Publicity £11,402 Specialist printing costs and to £9,052 set up the concessionary system
to accommodate Smartcard
operation
I t w a s a n e c e s s ar y cost because the previous operator had no database of pass-holders to
hand over. So, to ensure that concessionary travel could continue for eligible residents, it was necessary to develop a completely new system. Staff costs associated with the distribution of passes at Parish Hall s and sorting the remainder for posting were borne by Connex.
9 . ( a) I confirm that the £2,482,045 quoted in Figure 1 in R.C.53/2003, (R.C.4 Annexe 5), consists of–
Basic annual contract payment £4,341,593 Claim for additional wages £186,802 Vehicle Registration Duty £27,500 Provision of Harbour Service £43,023 Total £4,598,918 Fare Income (£2,116,873) Net subsidy to passenger network £2,482,045
T h e a m o u n t of fuel duty rebate for the period was £158,000. This is an amount forgone by the
States.
T h e a m o u n ts of £62,839 for refurbishing Gosset Chambers and £56,328 for administering the new
concessionary passes are one-off costs that would have been incurred no matter who was the operator.
T a k in g a ll t h e figures together as requested produces a total of £2,759,212.
( b ) No. In 2001, Jersey Bus provided a significantly reduced service with buses withdrawn on
Routes 2c, 6, 7a, 7b, 8b, 19, 20, 21 and 22 and using vehicles with an average fleet age of 12 years. Jersey Bus also intended to cut Route 4 but continued to run it when the Parish o Trinity agreed to underwrite the service. Figure 3 of R.C.53/2003, (R.C.4, Annexe 6), provides a much more like for like comparison.
(c ) T he assessment of value for money was made at the tender appraisal where the Connex bid was
considered to be the best value on a number of criteria of which cost was only one. Figure 4a of R.C.53/2003, (R.C.4, Annexe 7), confirms that the public bus network in Jersey, is provided with a relatively low level of subsidy compared to other places in Britain. The Committee will continue to review and assess the operation of the Connex service in the light of more recent information.
1 0 . (a) N o. I was present a year later.
A s ex p l a in e d throughout last year, the Committee was inhibited in forecasting fare revenue by the
absence of hard up-to-date data. Therefore, those attending that meeting could only deal with the following estimates –
Amount to be paid to operator £4,350,000 Estimated income to Committee
From fares £2,500,000
From cash limits £460,000
£2,960,000 (£3,000,000) Estimated subsidy required £1,350,000
(b ) T he estimate of fare income for 2002-03, based on 1993 figures provided by Jersey Bus a number
of years ago, increased for inflation and then reduced to account for the drop in visitors over the intervening period, amounted to approximately £2.5 million as shown.
O t h er in f o rm ation supplied by Jersey Bus, in 1998, has indicated that over 3 million passengers
were carried by Jersey Bus, each year.
A s s u m i ng a n average fare of £1 per trip, again would indicate that overall income, including
concessionary travel, would be of the order of £3 million.
1 1 . The operator when appointed was expected, after the first year's operation, to suggest improvements to
the network that would maximise the revenue collected, create more flexible timetables, a more integrated system of routes and reduce the overall level of subsidy. These were the broad objectives of the proposals submitted by the operator in November last year.
1 2 . (i) C onnex have provided the relief services that experience has dictated are necessary in the first
year of the contract, and remain able to show flexibility if demand were to alter. Relief services are not a further cost to the taxpayer over and above normal contract payments.
(i i) T he operational details of what is required are the responsibility of Connex and are not of specific
concern to my Committee unless there is concern from the travelling public. Consequently the information requested by Senator Vibert is not readily available to me and would in any case likely be considered by the operator as commercially sensitive and confidential.
1 3 . Other than the normal contractual payments to Connex for providing the bus service, which clearly
includes provision of suitable vehicles, no further public funds have been used to purchase buses or assist Connex in purchasing vehicles.
1 4 . (a) T he following table provides the milestone dates.
1st May 2002
10th June 2002
18th September 2002
29th September 2002 2nd October 2002 12th December 2002
Connex advised it was preferred operator.
Letter of Intent issued to Connex.
Omnibus Service Licences signed by Greffier and issued to Connex.
Connex begin as operator
Contract formally signed. (R.C.4, Annexe 8)
Bound contract document signed. (All Appendices now bound together with Conditions of Contract.)
(b ) C onnex received a letter from Jersey Bus on 27th June 2002, (R.C.4, Annexe 9),containing details
of the wage agreement and the additional shift allowance, between Jersey Bus and its drivers. The previous Committee believed that the shift allowance had been agreed after Connex was selected as preferred operator on 1st May 2002. The terms of the agreement were confirmed when Connex received the letter from Jersey Bus on 27th June 2002.
1 5 . There is no conditions of tender' document. I assume that the Senator is referring to the Conditions of
Contract that were issued as a part of the tender documents, revised during the tender period and subject to some minor clarifications and incorporation of appendices prior to being signed on 2nd October.
T h e i n itiative to revise the Conditions of Contract was made by the operator's legal representatives and
agreed by the Law Officers Department. However, there is no fundamental difference between the conditions at
tender and at signing. The differences are listed in the following table.
Condition of Contract at Tender
1 D efinitions
2 S pecial conditions
3 C ontractor to inform
himself fully
4 I nsurance Injury and
Damage
Condition of Contract (signed)
1 Definitions and
Interpretation
–
2 Contractor to
inform itself fully
3 Insurance Injury and Damage
Differences
Expanded to cater for known matters and making Committee the authority.
No special conditions were attached so omitted.
5 C ompliance with Law 4 Compliance with Additional clause in respect of a Specific
Law Change in Law (expert determination).
6 P revention of
Corruption
7 N otices
8 P ower to engage in
default
5 Prevention of
Corruption
6 Notices
7 Power to engage in
default
9 P ayments and claims
for payment
10 Duration of Contract
11 Contract operation 12 Credit
13 Written warnings
14 Breach of Contract,
Insolvency
15 Provision of service
16 States Regulations 17 Contract
8 Payments and
claims for payment
9 Duration of
Contract
10 Contract operation 11 Credit
12 Written warnings
13 Breach of Contract,
Insolvency
14 Provision of Service
15 States Regulations 16 Contract
Schedule of payments agreed and Annual Price Review procedure agreed and incorporated.
Determination of the Contract aspect incorporated in Contract section 16.
More detailed explanation.
Breach of contract applies to either party.
More detailed procedure for variations to the Contract (16.2).
In Determination of Contract section, insufficient finance, failure to agree contract modification and changes to specification, removed as now covered by variations section.
Clause in respect of strikes added.
17 Property
documentation
18 Consequences of Termination
Originally covered in other parts of tender documents. Clauses refer to provision of bus garage, etc.
Clauses incorporated following experience gathered during tender process.
18 Service requirements 19 Service
requirements
19 Vehicle features 20 Performance
21 Disputes
20 Vehicle features
21 Performance Penalty points would not apply at the outset
due to restrictions on operations.
22 Disputes
23 Confidentiality Added. 24 Undertaking Added. 25 Governing law Added.
1 6 . No cuts were detailed in R.C.53/2003. 1.7 of the report, (R.C.4, Annexe 10),outlined that revisions had
been proposed by Connex resulting from the experience gained, passenger surveys and other data collected. I have explained the rationale behind the proposals in my answer to Question 11.
1 7 . I believe that Figures 2a and 2b in R.C.53/2003, (R.C.4, Annexe 11),provide the information that the
Senator requires.
1 8 . (a) W here practicable, the dedicated school bus service is being amalgamated in stages with the
scheduled bus services. This process began in September 2002 when dedicated services for the Mont Millais and Wellington Road Colleges, to and from St. Martin, were withdrawn in favour of scheduled services. Two Le Rocquier dedicated services were withdrawn at the same time and students transferred to suitable scheduled services.
(i ) A p p r o x imately 225 students now use scheduled services for travel to school in the morning
and many more use, and always have used, scheduled services to travel home following after-school activities. In the first year of the Connex contract more than 13,000 student journeys were made on scheduled services without complaint.
( ii ) W i th t he exception of one morning service to Les Quennevais School, students are being dropped off at the same place on school premises as the previous services on the grounds of
road safety. It is unsuitable for scheduled services to access Les Quennevais School direct, therefore the students are being dropped as close as possible, which necessitates a short walk.
(i i i) S o m e s tudents need to change buses on their way to and from school, predominantly at the
Weighbridge.
( iv ) B e ca u s e of differences in routings between the school bus routes and the scheduled bus
routes, I can confirm that some students catch buses earlier than before. Similarly, some students now catch buses later than before. Invariably, services are no more than 13 minutes earlier or later than previously.
(v ) A l l o f t he services, whether scheduled or dedicated school buses, are designed to ensure that
students arrive at school on time. Some buses, either scheduled or dedicated school buses are late on occasions depending on traffic conditions.
(b ) The changes result from a conscious decision of the previous and current Committee to enable the
States to provide, through the 2 operators, the most economic, efficient, effective and, above all, safe and timely service. In our view, that provides best value for the States and the taxpayer while providing safe, convenient travel for the students."
Draft Data Protection Law (Jersey) 200- question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier asked Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf , Vice-President of the Finance and Economics Committee, the following question –
" W ould the Vice-President inform members when the replacement for the Data Protection (Jersey) Law 1987 will be completed and whether there are any obstacles to hinder it being lodged au Greffe' and debated at the earliest possible date?"
The Vice-President of the Finance and Economics Committee replied as follows –
" T he new Draft Data Protection Law has been subject to extensive public and private sector consultation. The seventh draft of the Law was reviewed at the Finance and Economics Committee meeting held on 8th January 2004.
T here are resource implications for the Data Protection regulatory function which affect the public and
private sector. For this reason the Finance and Economics Committee has asked the Policy and Resources Committee for its assessment of the new Law before final lodging. The draft Law and implementation schedule will be considered by the Policy and Resources Committee on 12th February 2004.
I t is expected that it will come back to the Finance and Economics Committee on 1st March 2004, with
lodging anticipated for 16th March 2004. The Committee will request a States debate 4 weeks later."
Provision of public funds for the Chateau La Chaire Gardens project – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
The Deputy of St. John asked Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Saviour, Vic-ePresident of the Economic Development Committee, the following question –
" W ould the Vice-President inform members whether the Committee has provided funding or agreed to provide funding, either directly from its own budget or from the Tourism Development Fund, for a feasibility study or the setting-up of a trust or company for the purpose of the proposed restoration project of the garden at La Chaire, Rozel, and, if so, what level of public funds, and to whom, have been committed to this matter so far?"
The Vice-President of the Economic Development Committee replied as follows –
"T he Tourism Development Fund agreed, on 24th September 2003, to fund, subject to the following
conditions, up to £250,000 to the Chateau La Chaire Sub-Tropical Gardens Trust. The Economic Development Committee subsequently endorsed this decision.
T h e funding will be paid in three parts –
T h e first payment of £83,000 will be made to the Trust as soon as the Trust has been established and a bank
account opened. This sum of money should cover the following work –
the setting up of the Trust;
th e ap p lication for outline planning permission, including an environmental and social impact study;
th e c a rrying out of a risk assessment on the viability of the project being completed and becoming self-
funding;
th e cr e ation of a more robust business plan.
T h e second payment of £83,000 will be made to the Trust based upon satisfactory progress reports of the
above being presented to the Tourism Development Fund and on provision of a satisfactory projected expenditure analysis for this sum.
T h e final payment of £84,000 will be made to the Trust on completion of the work outlined in the application
for the second payment, and on provision of a satisfactory projected expenditure analysis for this sum.
T h e Tourism Development Fund and the Economic Development Committee have taken note that the trustees
have confirmed that, should any part of the work carried out during Stage 1 demonstrate that the project is not viable, or that major technical problems exist, no further funds will be expended without full consultation with the Tourism Development Fund Sub-Committee."
Suicides from public car parks – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Senator Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire asked Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence, President of th Environment and Public Services Committee, the following question –
" I s the Committee concerned about the number of people choosing to end their lives by jumping from the rooftops of public car parks and will the Committee now undertake to secure these areas without delay?"
The President of the Environment and Public Services Committee replied as follows –
" T he Environment and Public Services Committee is extremely concerned that anyone would decide to attempt to take their own life.
A s the Senator is probably very well aware, the Health and Social Services Committee established a multi-
agency working group in 2002 to review the overall position concerning this matter in Jersey and the Committee has been represented fully in the deliberations of that group.
T h e report from the multi-agency working group recognised that efforts needed to be made across many areas
to reduce the risk of persons taking or attempting to take their own lives and produced an action plan. The Committee wholly supports this action plan.
T he Committee has accepted the action that information directed at those vulnerable members of society
should be displayed at the entrances to the car parks. This will be in the form of advertisements for The Samaritans and has been produced in poster form and will be displayed in the car park stairwells in the very near future.
T h e Committee will continue to work as part of the group, particularly when building new or redeveloping
existing facilities, to incorporate systems and features that will help meet the group's aims."
Introduction of an income support system – questions and answers (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement asked Senator Paul Francis Routier, President of the Employment and Social Security Committee, the following question –
" I n his statement on 20th January 2004 the President indicated that the proposed new low income support system would be implemented in 2006 "as agreed by the States".
W ould the President inform members why the Committee considers –
( a ) that this matter has been agreed by the States, in view of the decision of 2nd May 2000 (P.44/2000) that
the Committee should "identify the likely effects of a new low income support system" and report to the States with recommendations?
( b ) that the States have agreed to implement the new system in 2006?"
The President of the Employment and Social Security Committee replied as follows –
" ( a) When I said implemented in 2006 as agreed by the States', I was referring to a report and proposition put to the States by Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helierentitled Social Rented Housing: Policy on Setting Rents' (P.29/2003).
J u st to remind members, part (b) of the Proposition, which the States adopted on 9th September 2003,
states –
t o r e q u e s t the Committee to co-operate with the Employment and Social Security Committee to ensure that a comprehensive Low Income Support Scheme is established by 2006 to create a viable replacement for rent subsidy'.
A s I sa id in the States at the time, this was broadly in line with the Committee's timescale for developing
the new Income Support system.
I a ls o m ade it clear in my recent statement that –
o u r a i m is to complete all the necessary fact finding, research, policy reviews and modelling work by the end of this year to present to the States for approval' as was the intent behind the original report and proposition (P.44/2000) to which the Deputy refers.
( b ) As I said in answer to the previous question, the States has set a target of 2006 for a comprehensive
Low Income Support scheme' which the Committee is attempting to meet. Indeed, I have been under pressure from many quarters to deliver the system before that date. The purpose of my Statement on 20th January 2004, was, therefore, to convey to members the complexity of the work and to advise that the concepts for a new scheme could now be properly developed, and, the likely effects identified, including cost, in the light of the important information made available through the Income Distribution Survey."
Parking at Cyril Le Marquand House – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
The Deputy of St. John asked Senator Frank Harris on Walker , President of the Policy and Resources Committee, the following question –
" W ith the closure of the car park adjacent to Cyril Le Marquand House, would the President inform members whether the 1st floor parking area at the building will continue to be used for parking, and, if so, will he advise the number of spaces available and the use of these spaces?"
The President of the Policy and Resources Committee replied as follows –
" I can confirm that the closure of the car park adjacent to Cyril Le Marquand House has had no effect on the first floor parking area at the building, and that this first floor area will continue to be used for parking.
T h ere are 24 spaces in the first floor parking area and these are allocated as follows –
2 0 sp aces are reserved for use by senior employees, all of whom are employed in States departments at
Cyril Le Marquand House;
tw o s p aces are reserved for lease cars that are used by the States Human Resources Department, together
with other States departments at Cyril Le Marquand House;
o n e p a rking space is reserved for me in my capacity as President of the Policy and Resources Committee, and one for Senator T.A. Le Sueur in his capacity as President of the Finance and Economics Committee."
Provision of free parking for public sector employees – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
The Deputy of St. John asked Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrence, President of the Environmen and Public Services Committee, the following question –
" W ould the President inform members whether the Committee has information on how many public sector employees have parking provided free of charge and, if so, would he provide details?"
The President of the Environment and Public Services Committee replied as follows –
" T he Committee does not have information on how many public sector employees have parking provided free of charge. It is for each administering Committee to decide on how it provides parking for its employees."
OXERA – questions and answers (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade asked Senator Frank Harris on Walker , President of the Policy and Resources Committee the following questions –
" 1 . Would the President inform members –
(a ) o f the cost of the annual retainer agreed with OXERA Consultants for all years since the retainer
was introduced, and whether additional sums over and above the retainer have been paid in any of those years?
(b ) w hen OXERA were first engaged by the States as consultants and what the total sum paid to them
since that date is?
2 . W ould the President explain why, in giving answers on 20th January 2004, the Committee considered
that the work undertaken by OXERA did not qualify under the heading third party consultants' and therefore was excluded from the original answer concerning the providers of third party reports or consultancy documents?"
The President of the Policy and Resources Committee replied as follows –
" 1 . (a) The annual retainer was agreed in the year 2000, following a full competitive tendering process, at a rate of £307,152 per annum, or £25,564 per month, and it has not changed since that time. This retainer does not include expenses such as travel and accommodation, which have cost between £4,000 and £16,000 per annum.
T h e r e ta in er is paid to OXERA in return for a wide range of economic advisory services, which
include research, attendance at meetings, computer modelling, and the preparation of advisory notes and reports.
In addition, OXERA are available on a daily basis to provide advice in economic affairs.
A d d it io n a l s u m s were paid to OXERA in 2001 and 2002 for the preparation of four reports. Two
of these reports were prepared in 2001 at a combined cost of £72,946, and a further two in 2002 at a combined cost of £99,000.
( b ) O X E RA were first engaged by the States as consultants in September 2000 and the total sum
paid to the company since that date is £1,233,673. This sum can be broken down as follows –
re t a iner fees (September 2000 – December 2003): £1,023,840 a d d it i o n a l work (4 reports in 2001 & 2002): £171,946
e xp e n se s : £37,887.
2 . Y es. I would remind Deputy Troy that the question which he posed on 20th January 2004, concerned the
number of third party reports or consultancy documents commissioned in 2003 by States Committees and their Departments, costing in excess of £2,000'. As noted in the answer to question 1(a) above, no reports or consultancy documents costing in excess of £2,000 were commissioned from OXERA in 2003. OXERA were paid a retainer during this period, as indeed they have been since September 2000, but this fee was paid on a monthly basis in return for a wide range of consultancy services.
On a separate matter, I am now able to provide the following further information in response to Deputy Troy 's question of 20th January 2004, regarding third party report and consultancy documents –
T he information that Deputy Troy requested has now been received from States departments. This
information shows that a total of 104 third-party reports or consultancy documents costing in excess of £2,000 were commissioned in 2003 by States Committees and their departments, at a total cost to the public sector of £1,550,364.40.
T h e total for each Committee's expenditure in this respect is as follows – E c o n o mic Development – £136,610.28
E d u c a tion, Sport and Culture – £147,187.35
E m p lo yment and Social Security – £35,000
E n v i ro nment and Public Services – £674,397.78
F in a n ce and Economics – £91,895
H a r b o urs and Airport – £254,828
H e a l th and Social Services – £34,573
H o m e Affairs – £10,457
H o u s i ng – £13,000
L e g is l ation – Nil
O v e r s eas Aid – Nil
P o li c y and Resources – £47,446
P o s ta l – £104,970
P r iv i le ges and Procedures – Nil
A s I have indicated, this gives a total spend of £1,550,364.40 for the 14 States committees and their
departments."
Haut de la Garenne – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Roy George Le Hérissier of St. Saviour asked Deputy Maurice François Dubras of St. Lawrenc President of the Environment and Public Services Committee, the following question –
"Would the President inform members how much money, in total, has been granted to the Haut de la Garenne Trust and would he give a breakdown of when, and on what basis, each payment was made?"
The President of the Environment and Public Services Committee replied as follows –
" N o payment has been made to the Trust by the States.
T h e conversion and refurbishment of Haut de la Garenne by Property Services was practically completed on
14th September 2003. The Capital budget approved totals £ 2,465,000. The project Quantity Surveyors latest project report indicates that, subject to the reallocation of the cost of maintenance work required to the attached building Aviemore administered by the Health and Social Services Committee to eliminate the ingress of water into Haut de la Garenne, the conversion and refurbishment work is expected to be contained within the capital budget approved. The Capital budget included no funds for furniture.
U nder the arrangements approved by the States on 8th December 1998, (P.188/1998), and 22nd October
2002, (P.147/2002), the Committee's responsibilities were intended to be fulfilled when the conversion of the building was practically completed. From 14th September 2003, the Board of Trustees appointed by the States have responsibility for the operation and management of the centre which is required to be run, as far as possible, on a self-financing basis under the constitution of the Trust.
T he lease of the new centre to the Haut de la Garenne Trust will also run from 14th September 2003,
although the Committee remains responsible for maintaining the structural fabric of the building. The Trust, which was constituted formally in October 2002, is required to present a business plan, a report of its activities and achievements. It is also required to present to the Finance and Economics Committee audited accounts as well as submit any request for borrowing to that Committee for approval.
T he Committee was advised by the Trust on 7th August 2003, that it was experiencing difficulties, as
although its draft business plan had been produced with the Youth Hostels Association as part of their proposed joint "enterprise agreement", their submission to the Tourism Development Fund had not produced a favourable response to the Trust's request for funding needed to fully equip the centre and provide working cash needed for the first year of operation'.
T h e Committee was also advised that the trustees had been unsuccessful in their approaches to raise funds
from local charities and charitable organisations, private Jersey residents and other sources. With no guarantees being provided by any Committee of the States and only a lease of the premises, borrowings from a commercial bank were not possible.
T h e Committee, with the assistance of Treasury officers, sought to identify what options were available to
ensure that this important project proceeds as planned. We requested that the Tourism Development Fund be asked to reconsider and also sought to identify unspent monies of a capital nature. The Finance and Economics Committee, in response to our request, suggested that the Committee use a carried forward revenue balance of £133,000, which arose from unspent revenue funds from 2002, subject to conditions.
F r om this amount a maximum of £100,000 has since been allocated to meet furniture requirements sufficient
to provide for the initial configuration of 100 beds and £25,000 has been offered to the Trust to provide a
working balance, subject to strict monitoring and reporting arrangements designed to manage financial risk . The Trust has advised that this is not sufficient.
T he Committee is attempting to coordinate ongoing discussions to identify a solution to the Trust's
immediate cash flow requirements and the need for an appropriate financial guarantee or underwriting arrangement to be in place during an initial period. The following have been party to these discussions –
F in a n c e and Economics Committee and Treasury officers T o u ri s m Development Fund and Tourism Department
P o li c y and Resources Committee
Y o u t h Hostels Association
H a u t d e la Garenne Trustees
T o assist these discussions I have arranged that the Trust's business plan be subjected to an independent
evaluation and I expect that within two weeks I should be able to advise the States of the situation. In the meantime the Trust and YHA are accepting group bookings for 2004 as there is a great deal of interest in the new centre which is due to open in March."
Cost of issuing work permits – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Senator Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire asked Senator Wendy Kinnard, President of the Home Affairs Committee, the following question –
" W ould the President advise members of the cost, by country, of issuing work permits for the last three years and would she explain how the Committee has met these costs?"
The President of the Home Affairs Committee replied as follows –
" T he Home Affairs Committee has a fee structure for work permits based on their duration –
u p t o o ne month £ 1 0 m ore than one month but less than twelve months £ 3 0
t w elve months or more £ 1 5 0 .
T his fee structure, which has been in place since 1st January 1999, aims to recover all or most of the
department's costs from employers who pay the fees upon making work permit applications. The vast majority of permits are those issued for the hospitality and agricultural industries which fall into the middle tier of £30. Long-term permits generally require more processing time due to the nature of the checks which need to be made.
T h e cost of issuing work permits is therefore not based on the overseas national's country of origin. However
it is possible to show the overall income from permits issued to different nationalities and this can roughly be taken to be the costs incurred. The income figures and numbers of work permit applications are given in the chart provided. The vast majority of permits issued to new E.U. nationals were to Polish nationals and the very few others are therefore not shown separately. For information, the number of permits for Kenyan nationals is also shown.
I t is difficult to calculate precisely whether the fees charged do recover the costs incurred. It is estimated that
due to the increase in the numbers of permits in the last few years economies of scale were achieved, certainly last year. However, staff devoted to this work were severely stretched and any further increase in permit applications would have required extra staff.
O ne can see from the chart that using last year's figure the reduction in income due to nationals of the new E.U. states becoming permit free will be about £80,300. As the chart shows this was a substantial increase on
previous years' income and was not budgeted for; it was additional income. The loss, such as it is, of this income
has been partly offset by the abolition of one post which was dedicated to the issue of work permits and by a saving in administrative costs. The remaining reduction in income forecast for 2004 may be estimated at about £30,000 but this must be taken in the context of last year's exceptional income which, as I have said, was not a sum that was budgeted for. Consequently there is no real detrimental impact on the Department's budget.
W ORK PERMIT APPLICATIONS
By permit cost
£10 permit £30 permit £150 permit Total
No. £ No. £ No. £ Permits Revenue issued issued issued issued £
2001 176 1,760 1,452 43,560 61 9,150 1,689 54,470 2002 153 1,530 2,572 77,160 41 6,150 2,766 84,840 2003 176 1,760 3,124 93,720 38 5,700 3,338 101,180
By nationality – assuming Polish and Kenyan permits were at £30
POLISH KENYAN OTHER Total
No. £ No. £ No. £ Permits Revenue issued issued issued issued £
2001 1,329 39,870 78 2,340 282 12,260 1,689 54,470 2002 2,307 69,210 230 6,900 229 8,730 2,766 84,840 2003 2,677 80,310 347 10,410 314 10,460 3,338 101,180"
Funding for free school milk – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Geoffrey Southern of St. Helier asked Deputy Francis Gerald Voisin of St. Lawrence, President of th Economic Development Committee, the following question –
"O n 21st October 2003 the States agreed that funds for free school milk should be inscribed in the
Committee's budget and ring fenced for this purpose for the years 2004 and 2005. Would the President explain to members what action, if any, the Committee has taken as part of the Fundamental Spending Review process to implement this decision?"
The President of the Economic Development Committee replied as follows –
T h e States, on 21st October 2003
( i) a greed that the cost of the provision of free school milk should continue to be met from public
funds for the years 2003, 2004 and 2005;
(i i) re quested the Finance and Economics Committee to identify the appropriate source of funding for
the remainder of 2003; and,
( ii i ) agreed that funds for this provision should be inscribed in the budget of the Economic
Development Committee, and ring-fenced for this purpose, for the years 2004 and 2005.
T h e Finance and Economics Committee has agreed to provide funding in the sum of £184,000 for 2004 and
the Economic Development Committee has submitted a growth bid in the sum of £184,000 within the
Fundamental Spending Review (FSR) process for 2005. The outcome of the FSR will not be known until after the Presidents' decision conference on 17th, 18th and 19th March 2004."
Waterfront Leisure Complex – question and answer (Tape No. 890)
Senator Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire asked Senator Frank Harris on Walker , President of the Policy and Resources Committee, the following question –
" ( a) In agreeing the lease to CTP (Jersey) Ltd for the land on which the Waterfront Leisure Complex has been constructed the States agreed a formula for financial returns. Would the President inform members of the sums of money per annum received to date, and give a breakdown of this sum, to indicate how the Waterfront development has delivered financially to the States of Jersey?
( b ) Would the President advise members –
(i ) of the projections for income, if any, for the future and would he indicate how these will be
delivered?
( i i) of the total States' contribution to the cost of the leisure complex, including the grant up to a
maximum of £10.9 million from the Tourism Investment Fund agreed by the States on 4th July 2000, and would be indicate whether the States will have any future financial involvement with the project?"
The President of the Policy and Resources Committee replied as follows –
" ( a) A sum of £620,000 has been received to date, being exactly as defined in the proposition St. Helier Waterfront Leisure Complex: Terms of Lease' (P.92/1999) that was adopted by the States in 1999. There is no breakdown of this sum as it was received in one payment at the commencement of the contract.
In a d d ition, a total of £57,250 has been received from the developer, CTP Limited, in the 7 months since
July 2003, i.e. 7 monthly payments of £7,750 plus £3,000 for the part-month of July 2003. This payment is being made in accordance with the terms set out in the report accompanying P.92/1999, and is intended to cover the estimated trading deficit for the complex of £93,000 per annum. These funds have been forwarded on to the company responsible for the management of the complex, namely SERCO Leisure, in accordance with the terms of the management agreement.
( b ) (i) The financial projections for the operation of the leisure pool in how losses or surpluses were to be
dealt with were very clearly spelt out in P.92/1999. No assessment on the first full year of trading of the leisure pool can be carried out until August this year when the pool will by then have been operational for one year.
T h e re i s l ikely to be a substantial overage' payment due to the States on either the sale of the
Leisure Complex by the developer, or an agreed valuation after a period of 12 months from commencement of the operation of the leisure pool. Overage is the residual balance from sale proceeds after deducting the cost of the development and the developer's profit and represents the value of the land in addition to the payment of £620,000 already received.
(i i ) A grant of £10.9 million was made by the Tourism Investment Fund to the Waterfront Enterprise
Board Limited to enable the leisure pool to be constructed. Any further financial involvement by the States will be conditional on the annual operation of the leisure pool as detailed by the formula contained within Projet P.92/1999 for dealing with any surplus or losses which may arise."
One of the Housing Committee's properties – questions and answers (Tape No. 890)
Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier asked Deputy Terence John Le Main of St. Helier, President of th Housing Committee, the following questions –
" 1 . In an e-mail to the Health and Social Services Department and copied to members on 10th February 2003, concerning one of the Committee's properties vacated by the tenant, the President stated: the tenant took possession of this lovely 4-bed new house in 1997'.
(a ) W o uld the President inform members when the property in question was first built and when it had
last been refurbished before the incident in question?
(b ) T h e President also stated in his e-mail we now have to pick up the cost of £20 to £30k to put it right.'
Will the President inform members of –
(i ) the actual costs incurred by the Department along with details of the work that was done? (i i) the costs that were charged to the tenant along with details of the work required?
( ii i) the time taken to re-let the property?
(c ) B e fore visiting the property on 10th February 2003 did he or any of the Department's officers attempt
to contact the tenant?
2 . I n his e-mail of 10th February 2003, the President referred to the fact that there was filth, excrement
everywhere'. Does the President still consider these comments to be valid in view of subsequent reports from his Department and other agencies following further visits to the premises?"
The President of the Housing Committee replied as follows –
" 1 . (a) The property was built in 1959 and completely refurbished in 1992.
( b ) ( i) Between 10th February 2003, and the return to the Housing Department of the keys on 24th
February 2003, the tenant carried out a considerable amount of work to the property. The Department subsequently spent a total of £7,106, broken down as follows,
kitchen, including flooring £2,400 plumbing and heating £700 electrical £646 decoration, including external doors £1,800 external work, including drains £1,000 glazing, cleaning, other minor works £560
( ii ) T h e tenant was recharged £273 in total, broken down as follows –
rubbish clearance and cleaning £66 replacement of smoke detectors £102 replacement of double glazing £80 administration £25
(c ) N o , neither the Department nor I was aware of the tenant's whereabouts. The tenant gave no notice of
an intention to vacate and worried neighbours contacted the Department to report that the dwelling appeared to have been abandoned.
2 . Y es, when I visited the property on 10th February 2003, it was in an appalling state and I will now circulate to members photographs taken at the time of the visit. The tenant subsequently made a great
effort to restore the property to a reasonable condition, and that is commendable, but it does not detract from the
validity of my opinion on 10th February 2003."
Draft Burials and Exhumations (Jersey) Law 200- P.170/2003
THE STATES commenced consideration of the draft Burials and Exhumations (Jersey) Law 200-, and adopted the preamble.
Members present voted as follows –
"Pour" (29) Senators
Norman, Walker , Lakeman.
Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Saviour, St. Brelade, St. Mary, St. Peter, St. Clement, Trinity , St. Lawrence, Grouv St. John.
Deputies
Trinity , Breckon(S), St. Martin, Dubras(L), Baudains(C), Dorey(H), Troy (B), Voisin(L), Farnham (S), Le Hérissier(S), Martin(H), Bernstein(B), St. Ouen, Ryan(H), St. Peter, Hilton(H).
"Contre" (10)
Senators
M. Vibert , E. Vibert .
Deputies
Duhamel(S), Huet(H), Le Main(H), Scott Warr en(S), Ferguson(B), Taylor (C), Grouville , De Faye(H).
THE STATES, having adopted Articles 1 to 12, and subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted the Burials and Exhumations (Jersey) Law 200-.
Members present voted as follows –
"Pour" (27) Senators
Le Maistre, Norman, Walker , Lakeman, M. Vibert , E. Vibert . Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Saviour, St. Brelade, St. Mary, St. Peter, St. Clement, Trinity , St. Lawrence, Grouv St. John.
Deputies
Trinity , Breckon(S), St. Martin, Dubras(L), Baudains(C), Farnham (S), Le Hérissier(S), Bernstein(B) St. Ouen, Ryan(H), St. Peter.
"Contre" (7)
Deputies
Duhamel(S), Huet(H), St. John, Scott Warr en(S), Ferguson(B), Grouville , De Faye(H).
Fields 203, 204 (part) and 252, Rue de Jambart, St. Clement: restriction of development – P.152/2003 Comments – P.152/2003 Comments
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement, referred to their Act dated 10th July 2002, in which they agreed to rezone Fields 203, 204 (part) and 252, Rue de Jambart, St. Clement, for Category A Housing and requested the Environment and Public Services Committee–
( a ) to limit development on the said site to a maximum of 45 x 3-bedroom homes (or their equivalent) and
ensure adequate resident on-site parking; and,
( b ) to ensure that adequate extra parking was provided on the site, or nearby, to cater for visitors to
St. Clement Parish Church and the Caldwell Hall .
Members present voted as follows –
"Pour" (28)
Senators
Le Maistre, Syvret, Norman, Le Claire, Lakeman, Routier, E. Vibert . Connétable s
St. Martin, St. Brelade, St. Mary, St. Peter, St. Clement, Trinity , St. John.
Deputies
Trinity , Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin, St. John, Baudains(C), Scott Warr en(S), Farnham (S
Le Hérissier(S), Martin(H), Southern (H), Grouville , St. Peter, De Faye(H).
"Contre" (13)
Senators
Walker , M. Vibert , Ozouf . Connétable s
St. Saviour, St. Lawrence. Deputies
Le Main(H), Dubras(L), Dorey(H), Voisin(L), Bernstein(B), Ferguson(B), St. Ouen, Hilton(H). Three members abstained from voting.
Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman – resignation
The Bailiff , in accordance with Article 13 of the States of Jersey Law 1966, as amended, informed the Assembly that he had received a letter from Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman tendering his resignation as a member of the States.
Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman made a statement in the following terms –
"W i th your permission, I would like to make a personal statement.
I h a v e to hand to you a letter pursuant to Article 13 of the States of Jersey Law and tender my resignation
from the States.
I s h a ll confine my brief comments now, Sir, to thank all of those people with whom I have worked
closely. There will be other occasions when those thanks can be stated more fully.
T h e u navoidable fact, Sir, is that I am not able to do any job half-heartedly. It is impossible to combine the
demands of a legal practice with those of active and effective representation as a member of the States of Jersey.
I consider I have been enormously fortunate to represent the Island for those last 4 years and this decision has been extremely painful to reach. I wish all members of the Assembly, but in particular, the person who will succeed me as President of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, every success."
Privileges and Procedures Committee – vacancy in Presidency
The Bailiff , in accordance with Article 28(3) of the States of Jersey Law 1966, as amended, gave notice that, following the resignation of Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman, there was a vacancy in the office of President of the Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Special Committee on the Composition and Election of the States Assembly – vacancy in Presidency
The Bailiff , in accordance with Article 28(3) of the States of Jersey Law 1966, as amended, gave notice that, following the resignation of Senator Christopher Gerard Pellow Lakeman, there was a vacancy in the office of President of the Special Committee on the Composition and Election of the States Assembly.
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, having noted the vacancy in the office of President of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed to defer consideration of the following matters lodged "au Greffe" from the present meeting to a later date –
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: measures to improve P.164/2003. implementation.
Presented: 18th November 2003.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: measures to improve P.164/2003. implementation (P.164/2003) – comments. Com. Presented: 23rd December 2003.
Policy and Resources Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: measures to improve P.164/2003. implementation (P.164/2003) – amendment. Amd. Lodged: 6th January 2004.
Senator S. Syvret.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: measures to improve P.164/2003. implementation (P.164/2003) – amendment (P.164/2003 Amd.) – comments. Amd.Com. Presented: 20th January 2004.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports. P.196/2003. Lodged: 23rd December 2003.
Deputy P.N. Troy of St. Brelade.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports P.196/2003. (P.196/2003) – comments. Com. Presented: 13th January 2004.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports P.196/2003. (P.196/2003) – amendment. Amd. Lodged: 20th January 2004.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Code of Practice on Public Access to Official Information: Register of Reports P.196/2003. Amd (P.196/2003) – second amendment. (2). Deputy P.N. Troy of St. Brelade.
(attached).
Adjournment
THE STATES then adjourned, having agreed to defer consideration of the following matter lodged "au Greffe" from the present meeting to the next meeting on 17th February 2004 –
Draft Motor Vehicle Registration (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.195/2003. Lodged: 23rd December 2003.
Home Affairs Committee.
THE STATES rose at 6.40 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States.