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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday, 11th May 2005, at 9.30 a.m. under
the Presidency of the Greffier of the States,
Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye.
All members were present with the exception of –
J o hn Baudains Germain, Connétable of St. Martin – ill C e lia Joyce Scott Warr en, Deputy of St. Saviour– ill.
Prayers read by the Deputy Greffier of the States.
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES agreed to defer consideration of the following matter from the present meeting –
Commission Amicale: appointment of President and Chairman. P.89/2005. Lodged: 26th April 2005.
Policy and Resources Committee.
Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 24th May 2005
THE STATES confirmed that the following matter lodged "au Greffe" would be considered at the next meeting on 24th May 2005 –
Commission Amicale: appointment of President and Chairman. P.89/2005. Lodged: 26th April 2005.
Policy and Resources Committee.
Social Security Fund: removal of earnings limit – P.82/2005 Comments
THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier concerning the Social Security Fund: removal of earnings limit, and, following consideration, adopted a proposition of the Connétable of St. Lawrence that, in accordance with Standing Order 26A(1), the question be now put.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 19 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator E.P. Vibert Connétable of St. Lawrence
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (a)(i) of the proposition requesting them to agree that, with effect from 1st January 2006, the earnings limit for employee contributions to the Social Security Fund should be removed.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 13 CONTRE: 35 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator P.F.V. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert
Senator R.J. Shenton
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of Grouville
Senator F.H. Walker Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy S.G. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (a)(ii) of the proposition requesting them to agree that, with effect from 1st
January 2006, the earnings limit for employer contributions should be removed.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 9 CONTRE: 39 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert Senator R.J. Shenton Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (a)(iii) of the proposition requesting them to agree that, with effect from 1st January 2006, the overall contribution rate should be increased from that date by 0.5% annually (made up of a 0.25% increase in the employer contribution and a 0.25% increase in the employee contribution), until the requirement for supplementation was eliminated.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 10 CONTRE: 38 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator F.H. Walker
Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert Senator R.J. Shenton Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES noted that, subsequent to paragraphs (a)(i), (a)(ii) and (a)(iii) of the proposition being rejected, paragraph (b) of the proposition requesting that the States charge the Employment and Social Security Committee, in conjunction with the Finance and Economics Committee, to bring forward for approval the necessary legislation to give effect to the proposal, was deemed to have been withdrawn.
Suspension of Standing Order 26(A)
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Saviour, agreed that Standing Order 26(A) of the Standing Orders of the States of Jersey be suspended during consideration of the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier concerning Income Tax: additional liability, (P.81/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 20th April 2005), and the proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee concerning the Fiscal Strategy, (P.44/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 8th March 2005), and amendments.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 38 CONTRE: 10 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator E.P. Vibert
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. John
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy L.J. Farnham (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement – attendance
Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement arrived in the Chamber prior to the consideration of the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier concerning Income Tax: additional liability, (P.81/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 20th April 2005), and was present for the remainder of the meeting.
Income Tax: additional liability – P.81/2005 Comments
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier requesting them to –
( a ) agree that the Income Tax (Jersey) Law 1961 should be amended to provide for the charging of an
additional charge of income tax for a year of assessment, at the rate specified below, upon the amount of a person's liability to tax for that year as follows –
( 1 ) fo r the year of assessment 2006, 0.87%;
(2 ) fo r the year of assessment 2007, 1.75%; and
(3 ) fo r the year of assessment 2008 and ensuing years, 2.65%."; and,
( b ) charge the Finance and Economics Committee to bring forward for approval the necessary legislation to
give effect to the proposal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 10 CONTRE: 37 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator E.P. Vibert
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator F.H. Walker
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J-A. Bridge (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Fiscal Strategy – P.44/2005 Amendment and Comments
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee concerning a Fiscal Strategy together with an amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret that, in paragraph (a)(i), after the final word, there be added the following words –
" e xcept that GST will not apply to – ( a ) basic foodstuffs, ( b ) children's clothing,
( c ) medical services and products, ( d ) books and newspapers;"
Adjournment
THE STATES then adjourned, having adopted a proposition of Senator Terence Augustine Le Sueur that consideration of the amendment of Senator Stuart Syvret to the proposition of the Finance and Economics Committee concerning a Fiscal Strategy, (P.44/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 8th March 2005), together with all outstanding matters of public business, continue the next day, Thursday 12th May 2005, and the following day, Friday 13th May 2005, if necessary.
THE STATES rose at 5.35 p.m.
A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States.