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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday, 20th July 2005 at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States.
All members were present with the exception of –
S e nator Leonard Norman – out of the Island
S e nator Frank Harris on Walker – ill
S e nator Wendy Kinnard – ill
S e nator Terence Augustine Le Sueur – out of the Island S e nator Edward Philip Vibert – ill
J e nnifer-Anne Bridge, Deputy of St. Helier – not present.
Prayers read by the Deputy Greffier of the States
Matters lodged
The following matter was lodged "au Greffe" –
Speeding fines: allocation of funds to Parishes. P.156/2005. Presented by the Deputy of St. Martin, and referred to the Finance and Economics
and the Home Affairs Committees.
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES agreed to defer consideration of the following matter set down for consideration at the present meeting, to a later date –
Field 571, La Rue du Puits Mahaut, Grouville : petition. P.147/2005 Lodged: 12th July 2005.
Deputy of Grouville .
Field 571, La Rue du Puits Mahaut, Grouville : petition (P.147/2005) – comments. P.147/2005. Presented: 19th July 2005. Com. Environment and Public Services Committee.
Arrangement of public business for the next meeting on 13th September 2005
THE STATES confirmed that the following matter lodged "au Greffe" would be considered at the next meeting on 13th September 2005 –
Field 571, La Rue du Puits Mahaut, Grouville : petition. P.147/2005 Lodged: 12th July 2005.
Deputy of Grouville .
Field 571, La Rue du Puits Mahaut, Grouville : petition (P.147/2005) – comments. P.147/2005. Presented: 19th July 2005. Com. Environment and Public Services Committee.
Draft Shops (Sunday Trading) (Trial Arrangements) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P. 108/2005 (re-issue)
Comments
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Preamble to the Draft Shops (Sunday Trading) (Trial Arrangements) (Jersey) Regulations 200-, and, following consideration, Senator Michael Edward Vibert proposed that, in accordance with Standing Order 26, the matter be referred back to the Legislation Committee. The President ruled that the effect of such a proposition to refer the question back was to negative the question and it was therefore disallowed.
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Senator Michael Edward Vibert that, in accordance with Standing Order 27, the States move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 16 CONTRE: 25 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy of Trinity
Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES, following further consideration of the Preamble to the Draft Shops (Sunday Trading) (Trial Arrangements) (Jersey) Regulations 200-, adopted a proposition of the Connétable of Grouville that, in accordance with Standing Order 26A(1), the question be now put.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 19 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator R.J. Shenton Senator S. Syvret Connétable of St. Martin Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H)
Deputy J.L. Dorey
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rejected the Preamble.
Members present voted as follows on the Preamble –
POUR: 10 CONTRE: 32 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Senator Paul Francis Routier and Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Saviour both declared an interest and withdrew from the Chamber prior to the consideration of this matter.
Units 1 and 2, L'Avenue Le Bas, La Rue des Prés Trading Estate re-assignment of leases –P.104/2005 Comments
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Committee for Postal Administration concerning Units 1 and 2, L'Avenue Le Bas, La Rue des Prés Trading Estate re-assignment of leases, and, following consideration, adopted a proposition of Deputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement that, in accordance with Standing Order 26A(1), the question be now put.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 21 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator P.F. Routier Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator M.E. Vibert Connétable of St. Clement Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Committee for Postal Administration –
( a ) approved the assignment of a 21 year lease, expiring on 30th June 2016, currently between Mrs. P
Parrington- Jackson as lessor and Jackson 's Garage Limited as lessee, to the Committee for Postal Administration, in respect of Unit 1, 4-6 L'Avenue Le Bas, Rue des Prés Trading Estate, St. Saviour Jersey of approximately 21,539 square feet at a passing rent of£199,144 per annum (provided that the assignor had agreed to providing 2 months rent-free immediately following assignment of the lease) and with rent reviews every 3 years to the greater of market value or the Jersey Cost of Living and with the next review being due on 1st July 2007;
( b ) approved the assignment of a 21 year lease, expiring on 31st December 2009, currently between Mrs. P
Parrington- Jackson as lessor and St. Helier Garages Limited as lessee, to the Committee for Postal Administration, in respect of Unit 2, 4-6 L'Avenue Le Bas, Rue des Prés Trading Estate, St. Saviour Jersey of approximately 18,232 square feet at a passing rent of£150,000 per annum (provided that the assignor had agreed to providing 2 months rent-free immediately following assignment of the lease) and with rent reviews every 3 years to the greater of open market value or the Jersey Cost of Living and with
the next review being due on 1st January 2006;
( c ) authorised the Committee for Postal Administration, to pay – (i ) th e rents as they became due;
(i i) st amp duty amounting to approximately £18,000 relating to the registration with the Royal Court of
the assignment of the lease in respect of Unit 1, 4-6 L'Avenue Le Bas, Rue des Prés Trading Estate, St. Saviour, Jersey; and,
(i ii ) s tamp duty amounting to approximately £4,500 relating to the registration with the Royal Court of
the assignment of the lease in respect of Unit 2, 4-6 L'Avenue Le Bas, Rue des Prés Trading Estate, St. Saviour, Jersey; and,
( d ) authorised the Attorney General and the Greffier of the States to pass the necessary contracts on behalf
of the public.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 42 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Senator S. Syvret
Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Change in Presidency
The Deputy Bailiff assumed the presidency after the lunch adjournment during consideration of the proposition of the Committee for Postal Administration concerning Units 1 and 2, L'Avenue Le Bas, La Rue des Pres Trading Estate re-assignment of leases, (P.104/2005 lodged "au Greffe" on 7th June 2005), and the meeting continued under his presidency.
Draft Restriction on Smoking (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200- P.111/2005 Amendment
The States commenced consideration of the Draft Restriction on Smoking (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-, and adopted the Preamble.
THE STATES adopted Articles 1 to 4.
THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 5, and rejected an amendment of Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St. Helier that proposed Article 1A in Article 5 be deleted.
Members present voted as follows on the amendment –
POUR: 8 CONTRE: 37 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. John
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy M.F. Dubras (L) Deputy P.N. Troy (B) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
THE STATES noted that following the rejection of the amendment, other consequential amendments lodged by Deputy Jeremy Laurence Dorey of St. Helier were deemed to have been withdrawn.
THE STATES adopted Article 5.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 38 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Connétable of Grouville Senator S. Syvret Deputy J.L. Dorey (H)
Senator P.F.V. Le Claire Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L)
Deputy P.N. Troy (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES adopted Articles 6 to 9.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Restriction on Smoking (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 37 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Connétable of Grouville Senator S. Syvret Deputy G.W.L. de Faye (H)
Senator P.F.V. Le Claire
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H)
Deputy M.F. Dubras (L)
Deputy P.N. Troy (H)
Deputy F.G. Voisin (L)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy J.A. Bernstein (B)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)
Deputy M.A. Taylor (C)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Restriction on smoking in closed workplaces – P.126/2005 Comments
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Health and Social Services Committee –
( a ) agreed, in principle, that smoking should be prohibited in enclosed workplaces; and
( b ) charged the Health and Social Services Committee to consult on the detail of the Law and then to bring
forward for approval the appropriate legislation to give legal effect to the decision contained in paragraph (a).
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 32 CONTRE: 4 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator J.A. Le Maistre Senator S. Syvret
Senator P.V.F. Le Claire Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator R.J. Shenton Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy T.J. Le Main (H) Deputy P.N. Troy (H)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy M.A. Taylor (C) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.L. Dorey (H) Deputy F.G. Voisin (L) Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
THE STATES rose at 6.17 p.m.
A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States.