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States Minutes 5th July 2006

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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 5th July 2006, at 9.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Philip Bailhache .

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

S enat or Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 09.48 a.m.)

C o nnétable Philip Francis Ozouf of St. Saviour – en défaut (défaut raised at 09.36 a.m.)

C o nnétable Kenneth Alan Le Brun of St. Mary – en défaut (défaut raised at 11.03 a.m.)

D eputy Gerard Clifford Lemmens Baudains of St. Clement – absent due to illness (arrived in the Chamber

at 2.15 p.m.)

D e puty Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.06 a.m.)

D e puty Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier– en défaut (défaut raised at 09.48 a.m.)

D e puty Sarah Craig Ferguson of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 09.48 a.m.)

Prayers.

Notification of lodged propositions

Draft Legal Deposit (Jersey) Law 200-. P.90/2006. Lodged: 5th July 2006.

Minister for Education, Sport and Culture.

Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 200- P.63/2006 Comments and Amendments

THE STATES commenced consideration of the principles of the Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 200-, and, following consideration, rejected a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 85, the States move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 6 CONTRE: 41 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin


Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy  C.J.   Scott Warr en (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy  D.W.   Mezbourian (L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.J.H. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 38 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 3

Senator S. Syvret Senator L. Norman Connétable of Grouville Senator F.H. Walker Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Senator W. Kinnard Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Senator P.F. Routier Deputy of St. Martin

Senator M.E. Vibert Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Senator T.J. Le Main Deputy of St. Peter

Senator F.E. Cohen Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Senator J.L. Perchard Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy K.C. Lewis (C)

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.J.H. Maclean (H) Deputy of St. John

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES adopted Articles 1 and 2.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Articles 3, 4, 5 and 6 and adopted amendments of the Deputy of St. Ouen that in Article 3 in paragraph (1)(e)(ii) for the number"13", there be substituted the number "15", in Article 4 in paragraph (1)(e)(ii) for the number"13", there be substituted the number "15", that in Article 5 in paragraph (1)(f)(ii) for the number "13", there be substituted the number "15", and that in Article 6 in paragraph (1)(e)(ii) for the number"13", there be substituted the number "15".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 40 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator L. Norman

Senator F.H. Walker

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator B.E. Shenton

Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)


Senator W. Kinnard Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator F.E. Cohen Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.J.H. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES adopted, as amended, Articles 3, 4, 5, and 6. THE STATES adopted Articles 7 to 11.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Articles 12 and 13 together with an amendment of the Deputy of St. Ouen that for Articles 12 and 13, there be substituted the following Article and the remaining Articles be renumbered accordingly –

" 12   S exual Offences (Jersey) Law 1990 amended

In t he S exua l Offences (Jersey) Law 1990 –

(a ) i n p ar agraph (1), for the words"18 years" there shall be substituted the words

"16 years";

(b) after paragraph (2) there shall be inserted the following paragraph –

"(2A) Not withstanding any provision of law, whether enacted or customary, a

person who has not attained the age of 16 years shall not be guilty of the crime of sodomie if the other party to the act has attained that age.",

and, following consideration, rejected a proposition of Senator Leonard Norman that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 85, the States move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 18 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 1

Senator L. Norman Senator S. Syvret Connétable of St. Martin Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard

Senator T.J. Le Main Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F. Routier

Connétable of St. Peter Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Connétable of St. Clement Senator B.E. Shenton

Connétable of Helier Senator F.E. Cohen

Connétable of Trinity Senator J.L. Perchard

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. John Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy  C.J.   Scott Warr en

Deputy P.N. Troy (B) (S)

Deputy of St. Peter Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Hilton IH) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy of St. John Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy G.W.J de Faye (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)

Deputy  D.W.   Mezbourian

(L)

Deputy of Trinity Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES, following further consideration, rejected the amendment to Articles 12 and 13 of the Deputy of St. Ouen.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 3 CONTRE: 39 ABSTAIN: 2

Connétable of St. Peter Senator S. Syvret Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Senator L. Norman Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. Ouen Senator F.H. Walker

Senator W. Kinnard

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator M.E. Vibert

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Lawrence

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Martin

Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy CJ. Scott Warr en (S)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)

Deputy  D.W.   Mezbourian

(L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES adopted Articles 12 and 13.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 34 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 2

Senator S. Syvret Senator L. Norman Connétable of St. Martin

Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy A. Breckon (S)

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. Mary


Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)


Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

THE STATES adopted Article 14 together with the Schedule.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 200-, as amended.

Change in Presidency

The Bailiff retired from the chair during consideration of the amendments of the Deputy of St. Ouen to Articles 3, 4, 5 and 6 of the Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 200-, (P.63/2006 Amd. (re-issue) lodged "au Greffe" on 20th June 2006), and the meeting continued under the presidency of the Greffier of the States, Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye.

Arrangement of public business for future meetings

THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88 –

18th July 2006

Island Plan 2002, Policy H2: Field 91, St. Clement. P.70/2006. Lodged: 6th June 2006.

Deputy I.J. Gorst of St. Clement.

Draft Jersey College for Girls (Removal of Covenants from Former Site) P.62/2006. (Jersey) Law 200-. (re-issue) Lodged: 23rd May 2006.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Income Tax: allowances, reliefs and exemption thresholds P.58/2006. ("20 means 20").

Lodged: 19th May 2006.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Aquasplash Swimming Pool Complex, Waterfront, St. Helier: public use P.59/2006. at weekends.

Lodged: 22nd May 2006.

Connétable of St. Helier.

Aquasplash Swimming Pool Complex, Waterfront, St. Helier: public use P.59/2006. at weekends (P.59/2006) – comments. Com. Presented: 15th June 2006.

Minister for Education, Sport and Culture.

Social Affairs Scrutiny Panel: division to create a fifth scrutiny panel. P.64/2006. Lodged 26th May 2006.

Chairmen's Committee.

Social Affairs Scrutiny Panel: division to create a fifth scrutiny panel P.64/2006. (P.64/2006) – comments. Com. Presented: 6th June 2006.

Privileges and Procedures Committee.

Draft Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.69/2006. Lodged: 5th June 2006.

Minister for Education, Sport and Culture.

Draft Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 200- P.69/2006. (P.69/2006): amendment. Amd. Lodged: 30th June 2006.

Minister for Minister for Education, Sport and Culture.

Draft Sea Fisheries (Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment) (Jersey) P.71/2006. Regulations 200-.

Lodged: 6th June 2006.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

Draft Bankruptcy (Désastre) (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law 2006 P.74/2006. (Appointed Day) Act 200-.

Lodged: 13th June 2006.

Minister for Economic Development.

Draft Companies (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) Law 2005 (Appointed Day P.81/2006 No. 2) Act 200-.

Lodged: 28th June 2006.

Minister for Economic Development.

Composting facilities at La Collette, St. Helier: cessation. P.76/2006. Lodged: 15th June 2006.

Deputy G.C.L. Baudains of St. Clement.

Composting facilities at La Collette, St. Helier: cessation (P.76/2006)–  P.76/2006. comments. Com.

Presented: 4th July 2006.

Minister for Transport and Technical Services.

Rent Control Tribunal: appointment of members. P.80/2006 Lodged: 27th June 2006.

Minister for Housing.

Planning Applications Panel: membership. P.84/2006 Lodged: 3rd July 2006.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

Parish Rate Appeal Board: appointment of members. P.87/2006. Lodged: 4th July 2006. (re-issue) Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Waterfront Enterprise Board: appointment of Chairman and directors. P.89/2006. Lodged: 4th July 2006.

Chief Minister.

12th September 2006

Provision of Pedestrian Crossings. P.60/2006. Lodged: 23rd May 2006.

Connétable of St. Helier.

Provision of Pedestrian Crossings (P.60/2006): comments. P.60/2006. Presented: 20th June 2006. Com. Minister for Transport and Technical Services.

Fur products: petition. P.72/2006. Lodged: 6th June 2006, and referred to the Ministers for Economic

Development and Home Affairs.

Senator S. Syvret.

Draft Treaty on Open Skies (Privileges and Immunities) (Amendment) P.73/2006. (Jersey) Law 200-.

Lodged: 8th June 2006.

Chief Minister.

Fields 190 and 192, Rue de la Sergente, St. Brelade: petition P.75/2006. Lodged: 13th June 2006, and referred to the Minister for Planning and

Environment.

Deputy S. Power of St. Brelade.

Draft Sea Fisheries (Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment No. 2) P.78/2006. (Jersey) Regulations 200-.

Lodged: 20th June 2006.

Minister for Planning and Environment.

Draft Electronic Communications (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.79/2006. Lodged: 27th June 2006.

Minister for Economic Development.

Manual Workers' Joint Council Constitution: amendment. P.82/2006. Lodged: 30th June 2006.

Chief Minister.

Manual Workers' Joint Council: Employers' Side membership. P.83/2006 Lodged: 30th June 2006.

Chief Minister.

Draft Insurance Business (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.85/2006. Lodged: 4th July 2006.

Minister for Economic Development.

26th September 2006

Ministerial Government: review of first 12 months. P.77/2006. Lodged: 20th June 2006.

Senator B.E. Shenton.

Goods and Services Tax: exempt or zero-rated items. P.86/2006. Lodged: 4th July 2006.

Senator S. Syvret.

Draft Road Traffic (Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.88/2006. Lodged: 4th July 2006.

Minister for Transport and Technical Services.

Draft Legal Deposit (Jersey) Law 200-. P.90/2006. Lodged: 5th July 2006.

Minister for Education, Sport and Culture.

10th October 2006

Draft Howard Davis Farm (Removal of Covenant) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.65/2006. Lodged 30th May 2006.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

24th October 2006 7th November 2006 21st November 2006

Howard Davis Farm, Trinity : part of Fields 562, 827 and 828 – sale of P.68/2006. land.

Lodged: 5th June 2006, and referred to the Public Accounts Committee.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier that consideration of the following matter be deferred from 18th July 2006 to 12th September 2006 –

Income Tax: allowances, reliefs and exemption thresholds P.58/2006. ("20 means 20").

Lodged: 19th May 2006.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 20 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S. Syvret

Senator B.E. Shenton Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)


Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator F.E. Cohen

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy P.N. Troy (B)

Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)


Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. John

Deputy J.J. Huet (H)

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

THE STATES rose at 5.55 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States