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THE STATES assembled on Tuesday 25th September 2007, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff ,
Mr. Michael Cameron St. John Birt Esquire.
His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant-General Andrew Peter Ridgway, C.B., C.B.E., was present
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
S e nator Frank Harris on Walker – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.36 a.m.)
C o nnétable Silvanus Arthur Yates of St. Martin – ill
D e puty Peter Nicholas Troy of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.57 a.m.)
D e puty Roy George Le Hérissier – absent on States business
D e puty James Gordon Reed of St. Brelade – absent on States business
D e puty Shona Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.44 a.m.)
D e puty Alan John Henry Maclean of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.40 a.m.) D e puty Juliette Gallichan of St. Mary – absent on States business
Prayers
Draft Annual Business Plan 2008 – P.93/2007
THE STATES resumed consideration of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008 and, adopting paragraph (c) approved the summary set out in the Summary Table A, page 43, being the gross revenue expenditure of each States funded body totalling £655,531,900, and having taken into account any income due to each of the States funded bodies, the net revenue expenditure of each States funded body totalling £559,654,400, to be withdrawn from the consolidated fund in 2008;
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 34 CONTRE: 10 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator F.E. Cohen Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)
Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (c) of an amendment of the Public Accounts Committee, agreed that after paragraph (c) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, there should be inserted a new paragraph (d) as follows and the subsequent paragraphs should be renumbered accordingly –
" ( d) to agree that the Revenue Expenditure for Financial Forecast' as set out in the reconciliation to the Financial Forecast below Summary Table A was the figure that should be used on which to base Departmental comparatives in the States accounts for the year ended 31st December 2008;"
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (d) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, approved the summary set out in Summary Table B, page 44, being the estimated income and expenditure and estimated minimum contribution, i any, that each States trading operation was to make to the States consolidated fund in 2008.
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (e) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, approved each of the capital projects in the recommended programme of capital projects for each States funded body for 2008, as set out in Summary Table D, page 46 that required£42,441,000 to be withdrawn from the consolidated fund.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 35 CONTRE: 6 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (f) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, approved each of the capital projects in the recommended programme of capital for each States trading operation, as set out in Summary Table E, page 47, that required funds to be drawn from the trading funds in 2008.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 29 CONTRE: 4 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (g) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, approved in principle the total net revenue expenditure for the States funded bodies, as set out in Summary Table C, page 45, for the period 2009 to 2012 and the proposed programme of capital projects for the States funded bodies for 2009 to 2012 as set out in the Summary Tables F to I, pages 48 to 51 respectively.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 30 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator L. Norman Connétable of St. Peter Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator F.H. Walker Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Senator W. Kinnard Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Senator P.F. Routier Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C)
Senator M.E. Vibert Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Senator T.J. Le Main Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B)
Senator F.E. Cohen Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Senator J.L. Perchard Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. John
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H)
Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
THE STATES noted that the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, in accordance with Standing Order 34 (1), had informed the Greffier that paragraph (e) of an amendment of the Public Accounts Committee to the draft Annual Business Plan 2008 had been withdrawn.
THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph (h) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008 concerning the properties for disposal in 2008. Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier proposed that, in accordanc with Standing Order 79(2), the Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel consider having the matter referred to it.
After discussion, the States, having agreed that Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier be permitted to withdraw the proposition that the Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel consider having the proposition referred to it, adopted paragraph (h) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, and approved the schedule of properties for disposal in 2008 in the property plan, as detailed in Summary Table K, page 53 of the report.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 42 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S)
Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John
THE STATES commenced consideration of paragraph (i) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008 concerning the Legislation programme for 2008, and rejected an amendment of Deputy Alan Breckon of St. Saviour that after the words "pages 54 to 59 of the report" there should be inserted the words –
" e xcept that in the said Table, for the following item –
PRIORITY SPONSOR DESCRIPTION DRAFTING DAYS
29 Economic Licensing Law 30
Development
A new Law to provide a simplified regulatory regime suited to present needs
t h ere be substituted the following item –
PRIORITY SPONSOR DESCRIPTION DRAFTING DAYS
29 Economic Financial Services Ombudsman Law 30
Development
A new Law to establish a financial services ombudsman
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 13 CONTRE: 27 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian (L)
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Senator L. Norman Senator F.H. Walker Senator W. Kinnard Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator M.E. Vibert Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard
Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (i) of the draft Annual Business Plan 2008, approved the Legislation Programme for 2008, as set out in Summary Table L, pages 54 to 59 of the report.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 4 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Expenditure approval for 2007: amendment – P.103/2007
THE STATES noted that the Minister for Treasury and Resources, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), had informed the Greffier that paragraph (a) of the proposition concerning amendments to the expenditure approval for 2007 had been withdrawn.
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of proposition of the Minister for Treasury and Resources, and in accordance with Article 11(8) of the Public Finances (Jersey) Law 2005, amended the expenditure approval for 2007, approved by the States on 13th September 2006, in respect of the Social Security Department head of expenditure, to permit the withdrawal of a maximum of an additional £2,649,800 from the consolidated fund for its net revenue expenditure in order to fund the additional costs of supplementation.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator L. Norman
Senator F.H. Walker
Senator W. Kinnard
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator M.E. Vibert
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.J. Huet (H)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy G.C.L. Baudains (C) Deputy P.N. Troy (B)
Deputy C.J. Scott Warr en (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy S.C. Ferguson (B) Deputy P.J.D. Ryan (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy G.W.J. de Faye (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy D.W. Mezbourian
(L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.J.D. Maclean (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A. Breckon (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Meeting of 25th September 2007
THE STATES then moved to consider the items of business on the Order Paper for 25th September 2007, and, in
accordance with Standing Order 51, the Deputy Bailiff asked the Greffier to call the roll of elected members – All members were present at roll call at 4.35 p.m. with the exception of –
S e nator Stuart Syvret – en défaut (défaut raised at 4.53 p.m.)
S e nator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – excused attendance
S e nator Ben Edward Shenton – en défaut
C o nnétable Daniel Joseph Murphy of Grouville – en défaut
C o nnétable Silvanus Arthur Yates of St. Martin – ill
C o nnétable Graeme Frank Butcher of St. John –ill
D e puty Roy George Le Hérissier – absent on States business
D e puty James Gordon Reed of St. Ouen – absent on States business D e puty Juliette Gallichan of St. Mary – absent on States business
Subordinate enactments tabled
The following enactments were tabled, namely –
Diseases of Animals (Foot and Mouth – Restrictions No. 4) (Jersey) Order 2007. R&O.111/2007. Minister for Planning and Environment.
Diseases of Animals (Foot and Mouth – Restrictions No. 5) (Jersey) Order 2007. R&O.112/2007. Minister for Planning and Environment.
Road Racing (Motor Vehicle Rally) (Jersey) Order 2007. R&O.113/2007. Minister for Transport and Technical Services.
Documents presented or laid
Retail Strategy: Impact Assessment (P.84/2007) – comments. P.84/2007. Com. Presented: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
States of Jersey Complaints Board: findings – Complaint against a decision of the R.92/2007. Minister for Education, Sport and Culture relating to a nursery school place.
Presented: 21st September 2007.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Review of the Draft Price and Charge Indicators (Jersey) Law 200-. S.R.16/2007. Presented: 25th September 2007.
Economic Affairs Scrutiny Panel.
Notification of lodged propositions
Draft Income Support (Jersey) Regulations 200- (P.90/2007): second amendments. P.90/2007. Amd. Lodged: 25th September 2007. (2) Health, Social Security and Housing Scrutiny Panel.
Draft Income Support (Special Payments) (Jersey) Regulations 200- (P.91/2007): P.91/2007. Amd. amendments.
Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Health, Social Security and Housing Scrutiny Panel.
Draft Proceeds of Crime (Substitution of Schedule 2) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.127/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Drug Trafficking (Offences) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.128/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Proceeds of Crime (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.129/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Corruption (Amendment of Definitions) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.130/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft Terrorism (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.131/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft Crime (Transnational Organized Crime) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.132/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft Proceeds of Crime (Cash Seizure) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.133/2007. Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft Criminal Justice (International Co-operation) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law P.134/2007. 200-.
Lodged: 24th September 2007.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Civil Asset Recovery (International Co-operation) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.135/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft Banking Business (Amendment No. 6) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.136/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Insurance Business (Amendment No. 6) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.137/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Financial Services (Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.138/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Collective Investment Funds (Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.139/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Income Support (Jersey) Law 2007 (Appointed Day) Act 200-. P.140/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Social Security.
Employment (Jersey) Law 2003: therapeutic work schemes. P.141/2007. Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Deputy I.J. Gorst of St. Clement.
Draft Electricity Link with France (Protection of Submarine Cable) (Jersey) P.142/2007. Regulations 200-.
Lodged: 25th September 2007.
Minister for Economic Development.
Change of Presidency
The Deputy Bailiff retired from the Chamber and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States.
Withdrawal of lodged propositions
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Clement had informed the Greffier of the States that the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" on 23rd July 2007 was to be withdrawn –
Employment (Jersey) Law 2003: therapeutic work schemes. P.96/2007. Lodged: 23rd July 2007.
Deputy I.J. Gorst of St. Clement.
Public Accounts Committee: appointment of member
In accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 123(1), Deputy Sarah Craig Ferguson of St. Brelade, Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee nominated Senator Leonard Norman as a member of the Public Accounts Committee.
There being no other nominations, the Bailiff declared that Senator Leonard Norman had been duly appointed as an elected member of the Public Accounts Committee.
Written Questions (see Official Report)
The Minister for Treasury and Resources tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier regarding GST.
The Minister for Economic Development tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier regardingimpact of liquidity crisis in U.K. on Jersey finance.
The Minister for Social Security tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier regarding Supplementation.
Oral Questions (see Official Report)
Deputy K.C. Lewis of St. Saviour asked a question of the Minister for Home Affairs regarding theprevention of illegal immigrants entering the United Kingdom via Jersey.
The Deputy of St. Martin asked a question of the Minister for Home Affairs regardingan audit of the Criminal Justice Policy to ensure that the present prosecution arrangements in the Magistrate's Court and Parish Hall enquiries were Human Rights compliant.
The Deputy of St. Martin asked a question of the Minister for Home Affairs regardingthe Articles within the States of Jersey Law 2005 and the Police Force (Jersey) Law 1974, which enabled her to charge the Jersey Live organisers for policing that event.
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power of St. Brelade asked a question of the Minister for Home Affairs regarding a recent complaint of alleged blackmail that was made to the States of Jersey Police against certain principals of the Tax Justice Network.
Senator L. Norman asked a question of the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee regarding the legislation to give effect to the States decision to enable the Connétable s to be all elected on the same day for a term of office of 4 years.
Oral Questions without notice (see Official Report)
The Minister for Home Affairs answered questions without notice from members.
The Minister for Treasury and Resources answered questions without notice from members.
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Wednesday 26th September 2007 to consider public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.39 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States