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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 2nd December 2009, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Michael Cameron St. John Birt Esquire. __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Senator Stuart Syvret – en défaut

Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 09.42 a.m.) Connétable Silvanus Arthur Yates of St. Martin – excused attendance Deputy Jacqueline Ann Hilton of St. Helier – ill

Deputy John Alexander Nicholas Le Fondré of St. Lawrence – ill

Deputy Anne Enid Pryke of Trinity – ill

Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade – ill

__________________

Prayers __________________

Documents presented or laid

Land Transactions under Standing Order 168(3) – A20, A21, A24 and A24A Offices, R.133/2009. Albert Pier, St. Helier – lease.

Presented: 2nd December 2009.

Minister for Treasury and Resources.

Notification of lodged propositions

Property and Infrastructure Regeneration: the States of Jersey Development Company P.79/2009. Limited (P.79/2009) – third amendment. Amd.(3) Lodged: 2nd December 2009.

Senator J.L. Perchard.

Withdrawal of lodged propositions

THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposer of the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that it had been withdrawn –

Move to Next Item: repeal of Standing Order 85. P.187/2009. Lodged: 3rd November 2009.

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier .

Draft Gambling Commission (Jersey) Law 200- P.139/2009

THE STATES, having resumed consideration of the Draft Gambling Commission (Jersey) Law 200-, adopted Article 1.

653 Price code: C

THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 2 and Schedule 1 and rejected paragraph (a) of an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that, in Schedule 1, paragraph 2(3) should be deleted and the remaining sub-paragraphs renumbered accordingly.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 12 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

THE STATES adopted paragraph (b) of the amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that in paragraph 4(2)(b)(i) of Schedule 1 for the words "6 consecutive months" there should be substituted the words "2 consecutive months".

THE STATES adopted paragraph (c) of the amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that paragraph 4(3)(f) of Schedule 1 should be deleted;

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 38 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Senator P.F. Routier Deputy of St. John Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Following the rejection of paragraph (a), the Bailiff informed the Assembly that paragraph (d) of the amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin (namely that paragraph 5(3) of Schedule 1 should be deleted and the remaining sub-paragraphs renumbered, and internal cross-references altered accordingly) was deemed to have been withdrawn.

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (e) of an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that for paragraph 6(3)(c) of Schedule 1 there should be substituted the following sub-paragraph –

"(c) if a vote is tied, it is to be taken to have been lost.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 20 CONTRE: 19 ABSTAIN:

Connétable of St. Lawrence Senator T.A. Le Sueur Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F. Routier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Senator T.J. Le Main Deputy of St. Martin Senator J.L. Perchard

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

THE STATES adopted Article 2 and Schedule 1 as amended.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 3 and, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that after paragraph (4) there should be added the following paragraph –

"(5) The Commission must ensure that it carries out its functions in a way that does not

give rise to, or maintain, unnecessary burdens.".

THE STATES adopted Article 3, as amended. THE STATES adopted Article 4.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 5 and, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that after paragraph (1) there should be inserted the following paragraph –

"(2) The Minister may give to the Commission, in writing, specific directions as to the

determination under Article 11(4)(c) of the manner in which gross win is to be calculated.",

and the remaining paragraphs renumbered accordingly; and that in paragraph (2) (renumbered as (3)), after "under paragraph (1)" there should be inserted "and any specific directions given under paragraph (2)".

THE STATES adopted Article 5, as amended.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 6 and, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that for paragraph (12) there should be substituted the following paragraph –

"(12) The Minister –

must by Order require the Commission to consult in a specified manner before it approves a code; and
may by Order –

prescribe any aspect of the manner in which an approved code must be published, and
impose any other requirement on the Commission in relation to approval of codes.";

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 32 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. John

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that after paragraph (13) there should be added the following paragraph –

"(14) The Commission must –

in exercising its powers under this Article and performing its duty under Article 3(5) in relation to those powers, particularly take account of any burden that may be caused by any unnecessary inconsistency between a provision of an approved code and any similar provision in any other jurisdiction in which providers of gambling services also operate;
keep under review its exercise of its powers under this Article, and in particular keep under review the provisions of any approved code or of any technical standards referred toin such a code; and
specify, in its report on its operations prepared under Article 18(1)(b), the results of action taken under sub-paragraphs (a) and (b).".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 22 CONTRE: 19 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. John

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

THE STATES adopted Article 6, as amended. THE STATES adopted Article 7 to 10.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 11 and, adopting paragraphs (b) and (c) of an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that –

in paragraphs (4)(c), (4)(d)(i), (8)(a) and (b), (9)(a) and (b) and (10), for the word "turnover", wherever it occurred, there should be substituted the words "gross win";
in paragraph (4)(d)(iii) for the words "2 per cent" there should be substituted the words "1 per cent";

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 21 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

THE STATES rejected paragraphs (a) and (d) of an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that –

(a) in paragraph (1) after the word "may", there should be inserted the words ", after complying with an Order under paragraph (14),";

(d) after paragraph (13) the following paragraph should be added –

"(14) The Minister must, by Order, require the Commission, before it makes a

determination under paragraph (1) –

to consult in a specified manner those from whom the Commission proposes to raise the levy; and
to give an opportunity, in a specified manner, for donations to be made to the social responsibility fund to such an extent as to render the proposed levy unnecessary.".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 12 CONTRE: 24 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

THE STATES adopted Article 11, as amended.

THE STATES adopted Articles 12 to 23 and Schedule 2.

THE STATES subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Draft Gambling Commission (Jersey) Law 200-.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 30 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy of St. John

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Lawrence

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Draft Gambling (Gaming and Lotteries) (Amendment No. 15) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P.140/2009

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Gambling (Gaming and Lotteries) (Amendment No. 15) (Jersey) Regulations 200- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31 CONTRE: 7 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Regulations 1 and 2.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Regulation 3 and, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that in the substituted Article 16 –

after paragraph (1)(a) there should be inserted the following sub-paragraph –

"(b) avoid imposing or maintaining unnecessary burdens on persons providing or

operating gaming machines; and",

and sub-paragraph (b) renumbered as (c);

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 21 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator T.J. Le Main Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of Trinity Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of Grouville Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Brelade

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

THE STATES, adopting an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin to Regulation 3, agreed that in the substituted Article 16 –

in paragraph (4) after the word "may", there should be inserted the words ", after consulting such persons as appear to the Minister to be likely to be affected,";

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 26 CONTRE: 5 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A. Breckon Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Connétable of Grouville Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. John

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

THE STATES rejected paragraph (c) of the amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin to Regulation 3 that after paragraph (7) there should be inserted the following paragraph –

"(8) The Minister must –

in exercising his or her power under paragraph (4) to approve a code and performing his or her duty under paragraph (1)(b) in relation to that power, particularly take account of any burden that may be caused by any unnecessary inconsistency between a provision of an approved code and any similar provision in any other jurisdiction in which providers of gambling services also operate; and
keep under review the provisions of any approved code or of any technical standards referred toin such a code.",

and the remaining paragraphs renumbered and internal cross-references altered accordingly. Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 12 CONTRE: 21 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. John

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES adopted Regulation 3, as amended. THE STATES adopted Regulations 4 to 9.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Regulation 10 and rejected an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that in paragraph (a)(ii) for the amount "£4,000" there should be substituted the amount "£2,630".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 2 CONTRE: 34 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES adopted Regulation 10.

THE STATES adopted Regulations 11 and 12.

THE STATES, in pursuance of Article 3 of the Gambling (Jersey) Law 1964, made Regulations entitled the Gambling (Gaming and Lotteries) (Amendment No. 15) (Jersey) Regulations 2009.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator P.F. Routier Deputy of St. Ouen Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Senator A. Breckon

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Draft Gambling (2010 Fees) (Jersey) Regulations 200- P.141/2009

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Gambling (2010 Fees) (Jersey) Regulations 200- and adopted the principles.

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, commenced consideration of Regulation 1 and rejected an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that for the amount "£150" there should be substituted the amount "£131.14".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 6 CONTRE: 34 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator B.E. Shenton Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Senator T.A. Le Sueur

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator F.E. Cohen

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.D. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of Trinity

Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. John

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Deputy D. De Sousa (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES adopted Regulation 1.

THE STATES commenced consideration of Regulation 2 and an amendment of the Deputy of St. Martin that –

in paragraph (a), for the amount "£50" there should be substituted the amount "£22.95";
in paragraph (b), for the amount "£110" there should be substituted the amount "£84.16";
in paragraph (c), for the amount "£20" there should be substituted the amount "£15.30";
in paragraph (d), for the amount "£50" there should be substituted the amount "£42.85";
in paragraph (e), for the amount "£50" there should be substituted the amount "£15.30";
in paragraph (f), for the amount "£10" there should be substituted the amount "£7.65";
in paragraph (g), for the amount "£20" there should be substituted the amount "£15.30";
in paragraph (h), for the amount "£20" there should be substituted the amount "£15.30";
in paragraph (i), for the amount "£110" there should be substituted the amount "£84.16";
in paragraph (j), for the amount "£1,000" there should be substituted the amount "£336.64".

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator James Leslie Perchard, agreed that the Assembly move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.

Young Offenders: naming by the media P.148/2009

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier , concerning the naming of young offenders by the media, as amended by his own amendment that in paragraph (a) after the word "assault" there should be inserted the words ", murder, manslaughter, rape or robbery".

THE STATES commenced consideration of an amendment of Senator Ben Edward Shenton that in paragraph (a) for the words "from the age of 12" there should be substituted the words "from the age of 16".

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 3rd December 2009 to continue consideration of Young Offenders: naming by the media' (P.148/2009) and the outstanding items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 5.31 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States