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THE STATES assembled on Thursday 30th April 2009, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Philip Bailhache . __________________
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Stuart Syvret – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.54 a.m.)
Senator Terence Augustine Le Sueur – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.36 a.m.)
Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.36 a.m.)
Connétable John Le Sueur Gallichan of Trinity – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.01 a.m.) Deputy Collin Hedley Egré of St. Peter – ill
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Prayers __________________
Suspension of States employees and States of Jersey Police Officers: revised procedures P.46/2009
THE STATES, having resumed consideration of a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin concerning revised procedures for the suspension of States employees and States of Jersey Police Officers, as amended, adopted the proposition and agreed –
- to request the States Employment Board and Minister for Home Affairs to amend policies, procedures and, if necessary, relevant legislation in relation to discipline for States employees and officers of the States of Jersey Police to ensure that –
- when any States employee or officer of the States of Jersey Police was suspended they should, within 3 working days of the suspension, receive in writing the reason or reasons for the suspension;
- at the time the person concerned was formally notified of the suspension they could be accompanied by a union representative, workplace colleague or friend;
- 28 days after suspension, and every 28 days thereafter, the continuing need for the suspension would be reviewed by a panel drawn from within the public service which would be independent of the department where the suspended person was employed and which would report its findings to the States Employment Board;
- the suspended person should be able to be accompanied at each such 28 day review by a union representative, workplace colleague or friend and with the Chief Officer of the Department concerned or his nominee also to be required to attend the review; and
- that the above revised procedures would apply to every States employee and become operative within 3 months of the approval of this proposition.
Members present voted as follows –
173 Price code: B
POUR: 29
Senator B.E. Shenton Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
CONTRE: 19
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
ABSTAIN: 1
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chief Minister, agreed, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 87(2)(b), that the debate of the proposition of Senator Stuart Syvret concerning freedom of expression for survivors seeking child abuse compensation claims (P.49/2009) should be deferred until the next scheduled States meeting on 12th May 2009.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 28 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator S. Syvret Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F. Routier Senator B.E. Shenton
Senator T.J. Le Main Senator A. Breckon
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Helier
Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Lawrence
Senator A.J.D. Maclean Deputy of St. Martin
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Connétable of Trinity Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Connétable of Grouville Deputy of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
STATES MINUTES
Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
30th April 2009
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Appointments Commission: appointment of member P.51/2009
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chief Minister, agreed, in accordance with Article 18(1) of the Employment of States of Jersey Employees (Jersey) Law 2005, which was concerned with the appointment of Commissioners to the Jersey Appointments Commission, to appoint Mr. Julian Rogers as a Commissioner for a period of 4 years.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Oral Questions with notice: abolition of time limit P.59/2009
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade –
- to agree that the current time limit of 90 minutes allowed for oral questions with notice should be abolished and that the period for such questions should continue without time limit until all the questions had been answered;
- to request the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward the necessary amendments to the Standing Orders of the States of Jersey to give effect to the proposal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 35 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff briefly retired from the Chamber during consideration of Oral Questions with notice: abolition of time limit' (P.59/2009) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States until his return.
Oral Questions with notice: extension to 2 hours P.40/2009
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that Standing Orders 13 and 63 should be amended to extend the current 90 minutes allowed for oral questions with notice from 90 minutes to 2 hours; and requested the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward the necessary amendment to give effect to the proposal.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25 CONTRE: 23 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Statements on a matter of official responsibility (see Official Report/Hansard)
The Minister for Health and Social Security made a statement concerning the threat of a flu pandemic in the Island.
Arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret and associated matters P.60/2009
THE STATES, having commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier concerning the arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret and associated matters, granted leave to Deputy Southern to withdraw the following paragraph of his proposition –
(e) to request the Privileges and Procedures Committee to make an urgent statement explaining the extent of the protection offered to States members, and their constituents, by parliamentary privilege.
THE STATES adopting a proposition of Senator James Leslie Perchard, agreed that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 84(4) the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier concerning the arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret and associated matters should be put to the vote.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 34 CONTRE: 10 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator A. Breckon
Connétable of St. Helier
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Deputy of St. John Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES rejected the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier –
- to express their concern in respect of the apparent interference in the communications between elected representatives and their constituents which arose from the arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret on 6th April 2009;
- to further express their concern in respect of the suppressing effect of such actions upon other elected representatives, and members of the public;
- to further express their concern in respect of the searching of premises, without a search warrant, and the consequent taking of communications between members of the public and their elected representatives;
- to request the Minister for Home Affairs to make an urgent statement concerning the decisions, whether operational or political, taken by the States of Jersey Police and the Minister in relation to the arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret;
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 15 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator S. Syvret Senator T.A. Le Sueur Connétable of St. Lawrence Senator A. Breckon Senator P.F. Routier
Connétable of St. Helier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Senator T.J. Le Main
Deputy of St. Martin Senator B.E. Shenton
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Senator F.E. Cohen
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Senator J.L. Perchard
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Senator S.C. Ferguson
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Deputy of St. Mary Connétable of Trinity
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Connétable of Grouville
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Connétable of St. Brelade
Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Connétable of St. Martin
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Declaration of interest
In accordance with Standing Order 106(1)(b), Senator Stuart Syvret declared an interest but remained in the Chamber for the duration of the debate on P.60/2009.
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chamber during consideration of Arrest and detention of Senator Stuart Syvret and associated matters' (P.60/2009) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States.
Arrangement of public business for future meetings
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Minister for Treasury and Resources, agreed, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 26(7), to reduce the minimum lodging period in relation to the proposition entitled Economic Stimulus Plan' (P.55/2009), in order that it could be debated on 19th May 2009. It was further agreed that this reduction would also extend to the lodging period for any amendments to P.55/2009.
THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –
12th May 2009
Draft Health and Safety at Work (Amendment No. 4) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.37/2009. Lodged: 17th March 2009.
Minister for Social Security.
Draft Loi (200-) (Amendement No. 11) réglant la procédure criminelle. P.39/2009. Lodged: 19th March 2009.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Review of the roles of the Bailiff , Attorney General and Solicitor General: terms of P.44/2009. reference.
Lodged: 31st March 2009.
Council of Ministers.
Review of the roles of the Bailiff , Attorney General and Solicitor General: terms of P.44/2009. reference (P.44/2009) – amendment. Amd. Lodged: 21st April 2009.
Deputy of St. Martin .
Draft Housing (General Provisions) (Amendment No. 26) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.45/2009. Lodged: 31st March 2009.
Minister for Housing.
Child abuse compensation claims: freedom of expression for survivors. P.49/2009. Lodged: 6th April 2009.
Senator S. Syvret.
Child abuse compensation claims: freedom of expression for survivors (P.49/2009) – P.49/2009. amendment. Amd. Lodged: 29th April 2009.
Council of Ministers.
Committee of Inquiry: Reg's Skips Ltd. – Planning applications. P.50/2009. Lodged: 6th April 2009.
Minister for Planning and Environment.
Committee of Inquiry: Reg's Skips Ltd. – Planning applications (P.50/2009) – P.50/2009. amendment. Amd. Lodged: 17th April 2009.
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour .
Family X: placement in the United Kingdom. P.62/2009. Lodged: 22nd April 2009.
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier .
Code of Conduct for elected members of the States: review. P.63/2009. Lodged: 28th April 2009.
Deputy of St. John .
19th May 2009
Draft Shipping (Safety of Navigation) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.48/2009. Lodged: 6th April 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
Economic Stimulus Plan. P.55/2009. Lodged: 9th April 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
2nd June 2009
Public Elections (Jersey) Law 2002: rescindment of Article 39A. P.18/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .
States Strategic Plan 2009 – 2014. P.52/2009. Lodged: 8th April 2009.
Council of Ministers.
Public Finances (Jersey) Law 2005: proposed changes. P.54/2009 Lodged: 9th April 2009.
Public Accounts Committee.
Electricity tariffs: Regulations under Article 22 of the Electricity (Jersey) Law 1937. P.41/2009. Lodged: 24th March 2009.
Senator A. Breckon.
Electricity tariffs: Regulations under Article 22 of the Electricity (Jersey) Law 1937 P.41/2009.
(P.41/2009) – comments. Com. Presented: 27th April 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
16th June 2009
La Pouquelaye old school site: provision of youth and community facilities. P.187/2008. Lodged: 24th December 2008.
Connétable of St. Helier .
Natural gas pipeline: strategic study. P.16/2009. Lodged: 29th January 2009.
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier .
Natural gas pipeline: strategic study (P.16/2009) – comments. P.16/2009. Presented: 10th March 2009. Com. Minister for Treasury and Resources.
30th June 2009
Williamson Report: Implementation Plan – funding. P.17/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Williamson Report: Implementation Plan – funding (P.17/2009) – amendment. P.17/2009. Lodged: 25th March 2009. Amd. Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .
States Members' remuneration for 2009. P.24/2009. Lodged: 19th February 2009.
Connétable of St. Peter .
States Members' remuneration for 2009 (P.24/2009): comments. P.24/2009. Presented: 5th March 2009. Com. Privileges and Procedures Committee.
States Members' remuneration for 2009 (P.24/2009): amendment. P.24/2009. Lodged: 3rd March 2009. Amd. Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier .
Ann Court Site, St. Helier : use for sheltered social housing for the over-55s. P.43/2009. Lodged: 27th March 2009.
Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier .
14th July 2009
Draft Sea Fisheries (Satellite Monitoring) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.56/2009. Lodged: 14th April 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Sea Fisheries (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment No. 5) (Jersey) Regulations P.57/2009. 200-.
Lodged: 14th April 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Sea Fisheries (Bag Limits) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.58/2009. Lodged: 14th April 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
THE STATES rose at 6.12 p.m.
M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States