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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday
4th February 2009, at 09.30 a.m.
under the Presidency of Mrs. Anne Helen Harris , Deputy Greffier of the States.
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
S enator Stuart Syvret – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.)
S enator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.43 a.m.)
S enator Terence John Le Main – excused attendance
S enator Frederick Ellyer Cohen – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.43 a.m.)
S enator James Leslie Perchard – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.55 a.m.)
C onnétable Alan Simon Crowcroft of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.07 a.m.) C onnétable Graeme Frank Butcher of St. John – en défaut
Prayers
Documents presented or laid
Williamson Report: Implementation Plan – approval and funding. R.8/2009. Presented: 4th February 2009.
Minister for Health and Social Services.
Notification of lodged propositions
Williamson Report: Implementation Plan – funding. P.17/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Public Elections (Jersey) Law 2002: rescindment of Article 39A. P.18/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
Withdrawal of lodged propositions
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposer of the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that it had been withdrawn –
Draft Sex Offenders (Jersey) Law 200-. P.178/2008. Lodged: 3rd December 2008.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Rôle of the unelected members of the States: review P.5/2009
THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin concerning a review of the role of the unelected members of the States and, adopting an amendment of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that in paragraph (a), after the words"current roles of the" there should be inserted the word "following" and the words"the Lieutenant-Governor" should be deleted.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 32 CONTRE: 19 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Senator S. Syvret
Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES, adopting an amendment of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that in paragraph (a) the words"and the Dean" should be deleted.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 31 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator F.E. Cohen Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Senator S. Syvret
Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES, adopting an amendment of Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier, agreed that in paragraph (b)(ii), after the words"subsequent report and recommendations" there should be inserted the words "which publication date shall be no later than one year after the appointment of the Chairman and members of the Panel".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 36 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator S. Syvret Senator F.E. Cohen Connétable of Grouville Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Peter
Senator B.E. Shenton Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES, adopting the proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin, as amended, agreed that –
(a ) an independent review be conducted into the current roles of the following unelected members of
the States, namely the Bailiff , the Attorney General and the Solicitor General;
(b ) the Council of Ministers, after consultation with the Privileges and Procedures Committee, be
requested to submit to the States for approval no later than 31st March 2009 –
( i ) the nam es of the proposed Chairman and members of the Panel to conduct the review;
(ii ) the terms of reference of the Panel and the proposed target dates for the start of the
review and the publication of the Panel's subsequent report and recommendations which publication date shall be no later than one year after the appointment of the Chairman and members of the Panel;
(c ) the Minister for Treasury and Resources be requested to assess whether the review could be
funded from within existing resources and, if not, to bring forward for approval a request under Article 11(8) of the Public Finances (Jersey) Law 2005 for the necessary additional funding to cover the cost of the review.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 37 CONTRE: 12 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator S. Syvret
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.E. Shenton Senator F.E. Cohen
Senator A. Breckon
Senator A.J.D. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator P.F. Routier Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy of St. Peter Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)
Change of Presidency
THE STATES re-assembled after the lunch adjournment under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff .
Woolworths employees: payment of statutory notice periods P.9/2009
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier, agreed to request the Minister for Treasury and Resources –
( a) to enter into negotiations with former employees of the Jersey branch of Woolworths made
redundant following the collapse of the parent company, to seek agreement with them on the assignment to the States of any claims that they might have on the administrators of the company and, providing that these negotiations were successful, to further request the Minister to allocate a sum calculated under the statutory notice terms in the Employment (Jersey) Law 2003 to provide compensation to these employees and if this sum could not be identified through the reprioritisation of existing heads of expenditure or year-end balances, to request the Minister to bring forward a request under Article 11(8) of the Public Finances (Jersey) Law 2005 for the necessary additional funding to meet the cost of these payments; and
(b ) to seek reimbursement of the above sum from the administrators.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 34 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 4
Senator S. Syvret Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier Senator B.E. Shenton Senator A. Breckon Senator A.J.D. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D. De Sousa (H)
Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Peter Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 106(1)(a), the Deputy of St. John had declared an interest and withdrawn from the Chamber for the duration of the debate.
Arrangement of public business for future meetings
THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –
24th February 2009
Draft Amendment (No. 10) of the Standing Orders of the States of Jersey. P.179/2008. Lodged: 5th December 2008.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Ministerial government: review. P.181/2008. Lodged: 10th December 2008.
Deputy of St. John.
Draft Companies (Amendment No. 10) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.185/2008. Lodged: 23rd December 2008.
Minister for Economic Development.
(Principles adopted on 3rd February 2009)
Draft Companies (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Regulations 200-. P.186/2008. Lodged: 23rd December 2008.
Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Summary Fines (Miscellaneous Amendments) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.6/2009. Lodged: 13th January 2009.
Comité des Connétable s.
Energy from Waste facility: rescindment. P.8/2009. Lodged: 20th January 2009.
Deputy of St. Mary.
Energy from Waste facility: rescindment (P.8/2009) – comments. P.8/2009. Presented: 3rd February 2009. Com. Minister for Transport and Technical Services.
Energy from Waste facility: rescindment (P.8/2009) – comments. P.8/2009. Presented: 3rd February 2009. Com.(2) Minister for Planning and Environment.
Energy from Waste facility: rescindment (P.8/2009) – addendum. P.8/2009. Presented: 3rd February 2009. Add. Deputy of St. Mary.
Energy from Waste facility: rescindment (P.8/2009) – addendum (P.8/2009 Add.) – P.8/2009. comments. Add.Com. Presented: 3rd February 2009.
Minister for Transport and Technical Services.
Jersey Consumer Council: appointment of Chairman. P.10/2009. Lodged: 23rd January 2009. (re-issue) Minister for Economic Development.
Draft Limited Partnerships (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 2009 (Appointed Day) Act 200-. P.11/2009. Lodged: 23rd January 2009.
Minister for Economic Development.
Waterfront Enterprise Board: appointment of States director. P.13/2009. Lodged: 28th January 2009.
Senator B.E. Shenton.
Public Employees Contributory Retirement Scheme: membership of the Committee of P.14/2009. Management.
Lodged: 29th January 2009.
Chief Minister.
Manual Workers' Joint Council: Employers' Side membership. P.15/2009. Lodged: 29th January 2009.
Chief Minister.
10th March 2009
Ann Court Site, St. Helier: use for sheltered social housing for the over-55s. P.184/2008. Lodged: 23rd December 2008. (re-issue) Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier.
Voisinage and customary law: review. P.1/2009. Lodged: 5th January 2009.
Senator B.E. Shenton.
Property sold by the public: restriction on renting back. P.7/2009. Lodged: 20th January 2009.
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier.
Waterfront Enterprise Board: revised Memorandum and Articles of Association. P.12/2009. Lodged: 27th January 2009.
Council of Ministers.
Natural gas pipeline: strategic study. P.16/2009. Lodged: 29th January 2009.
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier.
24th March 2008 31st March 2008
Rates: the States' liability. P.147/2008. Lodged: 16th September 2008.
Connétable of St. Helier.
Rates: the States' liability (P.147/2008) – comments. P.147/2008. Presented: 16th January 2009. Com. Minister for Treasury and Resources.
La Pouquelaye old school site: provision of youth and community facilities. P.187/2008. Lodged: 24th December 2008.
Connétable of St. Helier.
Williamson Report: Implementation Plan – funding. P.17/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Income Tax (Amendment No. 32) (Jersey) Law 200-. P.161/2008. Lodged: 21st October 2008.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Income Tax (Amendment No. 32) (Jersey) Law 200- (P.161/2008): comments. P.161/2008. Presented: 25th November 2008. Com. Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel.
12th May 2009
Public Elections (Jersey) Law 2002: rescindment of Article 39A. P.18/2009. Lodged: 4th February 2009.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier.
THE STATES rose at 5.01 p.m.
L-M. HART Assistant Greffier of the States