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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 2nd November 2011, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Michael Cameron St. John Birt Esquire. __________________
His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor, General Sir John McColl, K.C.B., C.B.E., D.S.O. was present.
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – excused attendance
Senator Ben Edward Shenton – en défaut
Senator Frederick Ellyer Cohen – absent on States business
Connétable Daniel Joseph Murphy of Grouville – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 11.15 a.m.) Connétable Graeme Frank Butcher of St. John – ill
Connétable Leonard Norman of St. Clement – ill
Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.53 a.m.)
Deputy Carolyn Fiona Labey of Grouville – excused attendance (arrived in the Chamber at 10.40 a.m.) Deputy Sean Seamus Patrick Augustine Power of St. Brelade – excused attendance
Deputy Deborah Jane De Sousa of St. Helier – ill
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Prayers read by the Deputy Greffier of the States __________________
Documents presented or laid
Children and Young People: A strategic framework for Jersey. R.133/2011. Presented: 2nd November 2011.
Minister for Health and Social Services.
Notification of lodged propositions
Land Development Tax or equivalent mechanisms (P.147/2011): addendum. P.147/2011. Presented: 2nd November 2011. Add. Deputy of St. Mary .
Draft Motor Traffic (Third-Party Insurance) (Amendment No. 12) (Jersey) Law 201- P.134/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Motor Traffic (Third-Party Insurance) (Amendment No. 12) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
721 Price code: B
POUR: 40 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 6.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Motor Traffic (Third-Party Insurance) (Amendment No. 12) (Jersey) Law 201-.
Draft Health Insurance (Amendment No. 14) (Jersey) Law 201- P.136/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Health Insurance (Amendment No. 14) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 41 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy of St. John
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 12, as amended by the following amendments proposed by the Minister for Social Security –
that in Article 2 for paragraph (b) there should be substituted the following paragraph –
"(b) for the word therewith,' there shall be substituted the words therewith; to establish systems of governance of, and minimum standards for, persons providing a service
for which the recipient is entitled to a benefit under the Law; to enable the funding, out of the system of insurance, of contracts for the provision of health services, in accordance with standards, or at levels of performance, determined by the contracts;".
that in Article 3 in paragraph (1) –
- sub-paragraph (c) should be deleted;
- in sub-paragraph (d), in the definition "performers list" for the word "Order" there should be substituted the word "Regulations", and the sub-paragraphs renumbered accordingly.
that in Article 4 in the inserted Article 9A –
- in paragraph (2) for the words "an approved medical practitioner who is not practising as or within the person's preferred practice" there should be substituted the words "a general medical practice which is not the person's main practice";
- for the words "preferred practice" in each place that they appeared there should be substituted the words "main practice".
that in Article 6 in Article 20B(6)(c) of the inserted Part 3A for the words "an Order" there should be substituted the word "Regulations".
that in Article 9 in Article 27A of the inserted Part 5A –
- in paragraph (1), for the words "The Minister for Health and Social Services shall by Order" there should be substituted the words "The States shall by Regulations";
- in paragraphs (2), (3), (4), (7), (8) and (9) for the words "The Order" there should be substituted the words "The Regulations";
- in paragraphs (2)(g), (2)(h), (3)(e) and (7) for the words "the Order" there should be substituted the words "the Regulations";
- in paragraphs (5) and (6) for the words "An Order" there should be substituted the word "Regulations";
- in paragraph (8) for the words "prescribed, of any prescribed" there should be substituted the words "specified, of any specified";
- after paragraph (11) the following paragraphs should be added –
"(12) Only the Minister for Health and Social Services may lodge draft Regulations under
this Article.
(13) Before lodging draft Regulations under this Article the Minister for Health and Social Services shall –
- consult with such body or bodies of persons as appear to the Minister to be representative of general medical practitioners; and
- consider any representations made in respect of the proposed Regulations.".
(2) In Article 27B(1) of the inserted Part 5A the words "so as to confer powers by Order," should be deleted.
that in Article 10 in paragraph (b), in the added paragraph (5)(a)(i) and (b)(i) for the words "an Order" there should be substituted the words "Regulations".
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Health Insurance (Amendment No. 14) (Jersey) Law 201-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 38 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator T.A. Le Sueur Deputy of St. John
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Ratification of the Agreement for the Exchange of Information relating to Tax Matters between the Government of Jersey and the Government of the Czech Republic P.138/2011
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chief Minister, ratified the Agreement for the exchange of information relating to tax matters between the Government of Jersey and the Government of the Czech Republic as set out in the Appendix to the Report of the Chief Minister dated 9th August 2011.
Ratification of the Agreement for the Exchange of Information relating to Tax Matters between the Government of Jersey and the Government of the Republic of South Africa P.139/2011
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chief Minister, ratified the Agreement for the exchange of information relating to tax matters between the Government of Jersey and the Government of the Republic of South Africa as set out in the Appendix to the Report of the Chief Minister dated 9th August 2011.
Draft Pharmacists and Pharmacy Technicians (Registration) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201- P.140/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Pharmacists and Pharmacy Technicians (Registration) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 6.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Pharmacists and Pharmacy Technicians (Registration) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201-.
Draft Poisons (Jersey) Law 201- P.141/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Poisons (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 25.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Poisons (Jersey) Law 201-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 33
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator T.J. Le Main Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator J.L. Perchard Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Lawrence
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Draft Shipping (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 201- P.143/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Shipping (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 5.
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Shipping (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 201-.
Road Fuel Price s: display P.146/2011
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator Alan Breckon, agreed to request the Minister for Economic Development to bring forward for approval the necessary legislation to introduce a requirement for all retailers of road fuel to display the price of road fuel on sale so that it was clearly visible to passing motorists from the adjacent roadway.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 34 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator P.F. Routier
Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator B.I. Le Marquand Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Radon Gas Levels and Cancer Rates in Jersey P.144/2011
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (a) of a proposition of Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier , agreed to request the Minister for Health and Social Services to conduct an updated study on radon gas levels in Jersey.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 34 CONTRE: 3
Senator T.A. Le Sueur Connétable of St. Brelade Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Peter Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Mary Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy S. Pitman (H)
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
ABSTAIN: 1
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
THE STATES rejected paragraph (b) of a proposition of Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier to request the Minister for Health and Social Services to undertake a campaign to increase public awareness of the dangers posed by radon gas (including where in Jersey the risks were greatest) and to set out what precautions could be taken, including the use of detectors.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 18 CONTRE: 18 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.A. Le Sueur Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy of St. Martin Connétable of Trinity
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
THE STATES noted that, as there was an equality of votes, the matter had been determined in the negative in accordance with Article 16(2) of the States of Jersey Law 2005.
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (c) of a proposition of Deputy Paul Vincent Francis Le Claire of St. Helier , agreed to request the Minister for Health and Social Services to commission and publish an independent expert's report into why Jersey had the cancer rates that it did and, in particular, why those rates were higher for certain cancers than in the South West of England, with this study to include an epidemiological study of cancer incidence in Jersey, based on an audit over a defined period and an exploration of individuals' documented exposure to recognised risk factors.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 21 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy J.B. Fox (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)
Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Land Development Tax or equivalent mechanisms P.147/2011
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Deputy of St. Mary entitled Land Development Tax or equivalent mechanisms' (P.147/2011).
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff briefly retired from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of the Deputy of St. Mary entitled Land Development Tax or equivalent mechanisms' (P.147/2011) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mr. Michael Nelson de la Haye, Greffier of the States until his return.
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade , agreed to adjourn the meeting.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 23 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator A.J.H. Maclean Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy of St. Martin Deputy J.B. Fox (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Senator T.A. Le Sueur
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator J.L. Perchard
Senator A. Breckon
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Senator B.I. Le Marquand
Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Brelade
Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)
Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 3rd November 2011 to resume consideration of the proposition of the Deputy of St. Mary entitled Land Development Tax or equivalent mechanisms' (P.147/2011) and the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 5.28 p.m.
A.H. HARRIS Deputy Greffier of the States