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THE STATES assembled on Thursday 9th June 2011, at 09.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , William James Bailhache , Esquire. __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Senator Terence Augustine Le Sueur – absent on States business

Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – absent on States business (arrived in the Chamber at 12.36 p.m.) Senator Frederick Ellyer Cohen – absent on States business

Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.49 a.m.)

Deputy Trevor Mark Pitman of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.42 a.m.)

__________________

Prayers __________________

Documents presented or laid

Ratification of the Agreement for the Exchange of Information relating to Tax Matters P.101/2011. between the Government of Jersey and the Government of the Republic of Indonesia Add. (P.101/2011): addendum.

Presented: 9th June 2011.

Chief Minister.

Draft Architects (Registration) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 201- P.62/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Architects (Registration) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John

345 Price code: C

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1–10.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 46 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Architects (Registration) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 201-.

Draft Social Security (Amendment No. 20) (Jersey) Law 201- P.64/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Social Security (Amendment No. 20) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1–4.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 42 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

THE STATES, adopting an amendment of Senator Francis Du Heaume Le Gresley, agreed that in Article 5 in Article 26G (as to be inserted) –

in paragraph (2), the word "not" should be deleted;
paragraph (3) should be deleted;
paragraph (4) should be renumbered as paragraph (3).

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 27 CONTRE: 17 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter

Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

THE STATES adopted Article 5, as amended. THE STATES adopted Articles 6 and 7.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Social Security (Amendment No. 20) (Jersey) Law 201-.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 43 CONTRE: 1 ABSTAIN: 0 Senator P.F. Routier Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator B.E. Shenton

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Draft Employment (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 201- P.66/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Employment (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 38 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1-10.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Employment (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 201-.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 40 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Draft Repatriation of Prisoners (Jersey) Law 201- P.67/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Repatriation of Prisoners (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 46 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator T.J. Le Main Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 17 and the Schedule.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy of St. John

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Repatriation of Prisoners (Jersey) Law 201-.

Draft Sex Offenders (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201- P.68/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Sex Offenders (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 7.

THE STATES adopted Articles 9 to 11.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Sex Offenders (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 201-.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 39 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy A.E. Jeune (B) Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Standing Orders: publication of Register of Members' Interests P.69/2011

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Deputy of St. Martin , agreed that Standing Order 154 should be amended to include a requirement for the Greffier of the States to publish the Register of Members' Interests on the States Assembly website and to permit the Greffier to make further arrangements for its publication as deemed appropriate; and requested the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward for approval the necessary amendment to Standing Orders to give effect to the proposal.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 35 CONTRE: 9 ABSTAIN: 2

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.E. Shenton Senator J.L. Perchard Senator A. Breckon

Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy I.J. Gorst (C) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy A.T. Dupré (C) Deputy T.A. Vallois (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy A.K.F. Green (H) Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of Trinity

Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Mary

Arrangement of Business for the current meeting

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that it would continue until 5.30 p.m. and then reconvene to complete any outstanding public business from this meeting at 9.30 a.m. on Tuesday 14th June 2011.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 31 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 1

Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator B.I. Le Marquand Senator B.E. Shenton Senator T.J. Le Main

Senator J.L. Perchard Senator F. du H. Le Gresley

Senator A. Breckon Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S)

Senator S.C. Ferguson Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S)

Senator A.J.H. Maclean Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L)

Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Connétable of Trinity Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H)

Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H)

Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B)

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B)

Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Grant aided Schools: grants P.72/2011

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton concerning grants to Grant aided schools and of an amendment of Deputy Deborah Jane De Sousa of St. Helier that in paragraph (a) after the words "Victoria College Preparatory School" there should be inserted the words "and funding for all non-fee paying schools".

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier that the Assembly should adjourn.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 20 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator T.J. Le Main Senator A. Breckon

Senator F. du H. Le Gresley Connétable of Trinity Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.C. Duhamel (S) Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier (S) Deputy J.B. Fox (H)

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire (H) Deputy S.S.P.A. Power (B) Deputy S. Pitman (H) Deputy of St. John

Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy T.M. Pitman (H) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)

Senator P.F. Routier

Senator P.F.C. Ozouf

Senator B.E. Shenton

Senator J.L. Perchard

Senator S.C. Ferguson

Senator A.J.H. Maclean

Senator B.I. Le Marquand

Connétable of St. Brelade

Connétable of St. Saviour

Connétable of St. Clement

Connétable of St. Peter

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary

Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy J.A. Martin (H)

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy of Grouville

Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)

Deputy I.J. Gorst (C)

Deputy A.E. Jeune (B)

Deputy A.T. Dupré (C)

Deputy E.J. Noel (L)

Deputy T.A. Vallois (S)

Deputy A.K.F. Green (H)

Deputy D.J. De Sousa (H)

In accordance with Standing Order 106(1)(b) Senators Terence John Le Main and Ben Edward Shenton, Connétable s Alan Simon Crowcroft of St. Helier and John Le Sueur Gallichan of Trinity , Deputies John Alexander Nicholas Le Fondré of St. Lawrence and Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Clement , the Deputy of St. John , Deputies Anne Teresa Dupré of St. Clement and Deborah Jane De Sousa of St. Helier declared an interest but remained in the Chamber for the duration of the debate.

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Tuesday 14th June 2011, to continue consideration of the proposition of Senator Ben Edward Shenton entitled Grant aided Schools: grants' (P.72/2011) and the outstanding items of public business.

THE STATES rose at 5.28 p.m.

M.N. DE LA HAYE Greffier of the States