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THE STATES assembled on Thursday 2nd February 2017, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Greffier of the States, Dr. Mark Egan.
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Connétable Sadie Anthea Le Sueur -Rennard of St. Saviour – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.37 a.m.) Deputy Jacqueline Ann Hilton of St. Helier – excused attendance
Deputy John Alexander Nicholas Le Fondré of St. Lawrence – excused attendance
Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Peter – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.16 a.m.)
Deputy Richard John Rondel of St. Helier – ill
Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour – excused attendance
Deputy Murray Julian Norton of St. Brelade – excused attendance
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Prayers
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Composition and Election of the States Assembly P.133/2016
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier entitled Composition and Election of the States Assembly' (P.133/2016) and of an amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(2)).
Arrangement of business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Connétable of St. Mary , agreed that its meeting would continue on Thursday 2nd February 2017 in order to complete the outstanding items of public business and that it would therefore not meet on Friday 3rd February 2017.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 25 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy of Grouville Deputy of Trinity
Deputy of St. John
Deputy of St. Martin
Senator A.K.F. Green
Senator S.C. Ferguson
Connétable of St. Martin
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Composition and Election of the States Assembly P.133/2016
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier entitled Composition and Election of the States Assembly' (P.133/2016) and, adopting an amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(2)), agreed that –
- for paragraph (a) there should be substituted the following paragraph –
"(a) to agree that it should establish an Assembly of 48 Members comprising 12 Parish
Connétable s elected from within the current Parish boundaries, 8 Senators elected on an Island-wide basis and 28 Deputies elected from 6 large districts, in accordance with the table set out in paragraph (b) below;".
- for the table in paragraph (b) there should be substituted the following table –
Constituencies | Number of Deputies to be returned |
District 1: St. Helier North Vingtaine du Mont Cochon, Vingtaine du Mont à l'Abbé, Vingtaine du Haut du Mont au Prêtre, and Vingtaine du Rouge Bouillon, in the Parish of St. Helier . | 6 |
District 2: St. Helier South Cantons de Bas et de Haut de la Vingtaine de la Ville, and Vingtaine de Bas du Mont au Prêtre, in the Parish of St. Helier . | 6 |
District 3: South-East District Parish of St. Clement , and Parish of Grouville . | 4 |
District 4: East Central District Parish of St. Martin , and Parish of St. Saviour . | 4 |
District 5: North Central District Parish of St. John , Parish of St. Lawrence , Parish of St. Mary , and Parish of Trinity . | 4 |
District 6: West District Parish of St. Brelade , Parish of St. Ouen , and Parish of St. Peter . | 4 |
- in paragraph (c), for the number "44" there should be substituted the number "48".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 28 CONTRE: 16 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
Following the adoption of the amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(2)), the Greffier of the States informed the Assembly that a further amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(4)) was deemed to have been withdrawn.
THE STATES rejected a request by Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier that, in accordance with Standing Order 69(4), his proposition entitled Composition and Election of the States Assembly' (P.133/2016), as amended, be withdrawn.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 8 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 2
Connétable of St. Brelade Senator P.F. Routier Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Connétable of Grouville Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy M. Tadier (B) Connétable of St. John Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Senator I.J. Gorst
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Senator L.J. Farnham
Deputy of St. Martin Senator P.M. Bailhache
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Senator A.K.F. Green
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of Trinity
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H)
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES commenced consideration of an amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(3)).
THE STATES commenced consideration of a request by Senator Lyndon John Farnham that, in accordance with Standing Order 69(4), his amendment (P.133/2016 Amd.(3)) be withdrawn.
THE STATES rejected a proposition of the Deputy of St. Ouen that the debate on the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier , as amended, and accompanying amendments be deferred to the next meeting.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 28 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen Deputy of St. Mary
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham
Senator P.M. Bailhache
Senator A.K.F. Green
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES, resuming consideration of a request by Senator Lyndon John Farnham that, in accordance with Standing Order 69(4), his amendment (P.133/2016 Amd.(3)) be withdrawn, acceded to the request and agreed that the amendment would be withdrawn.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 32 CONTRE: 11 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Peter Senator L.J. Farnham
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Lawrence
Senator A.J.H. Maclean Connétable of St. Mary
Senator I.J. Gorst Connétable of St. Ouen
Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of Grouville
Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of St. John
Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy A.D. Lewis (H)
Connétable of St. Clement Deputy of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S)
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier , as amended, rejected a proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade that consideration of the proposition be deferred to the next meeting.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 8 CONTRE: 34 ABSTAIN: 1
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Senator A.J.H. Maclean
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Senator I.J. Gorst
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Senator L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Senator P.M. Bailhache
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Senator A.K.F. Green
Deputy of St. Mary Senator S.C. Ferguson
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of Trinity
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S)
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier , as amended, and, adopting paragraphs (a) to (c) of the proposition, agreed –
- that it should establish an Assembly of 48 Members comprising 12 Parish Connétable s elected from within the current Parish boundaries, 8 Senators elected on an Island-wide basis and 28 Deputies elected from 6 large districts, in accordance with the table set out in paragraph (b) below;
- that the proposed 6 new large districts would replace the current Schedule 1 to the States of Jersey Law 2005, as follows –
Constituencies | Number of Deputies to be returned |
District 1: St. Helier North Vingtaine du Mont Cochon, Vingtaine du Mont à l'Abbé, Vingtaine du Haut du Mont au Prêtre, and Vingtaine du Rouge Bouillon, in the Parish of St. Helier . | 6 |
District 2: St. Helier South Cantons de Bas et de Haut de la Vingtaine de la Ville, and Vingtaine de Bas du Mont au Prêtre, in the Parish of St. Helier . | 6 |
District 3: South-East District Parish of St. Clement , and Parish of Grouville . | 4 |
District 4: East Central District Parish of St. Martin , and Parish of St. Saviour . | 4 |
District 5: North Central District Parish of St. John , Parish of St. Lawrence , Parish of St. Mary , and Parish of Trinity . | 4 |
District 6: West District Parish of St. Brelade , Parish of St. Ouen , and Parish of St. Peter . | 4 |
- that in an Assembly of 48 members, the maximum number of Ministers and Assistant Ministers should be 19.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 30 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator P.F. Routier Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Clement
Senator A.J.H. Maclean Connétable of St. Peter
Senator I.J. Gorst Connétable of St. Saviour
Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of Grouville
Senator P.M. Bailhache Connétable of St. John
Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy of Grouville
Deputy of Trinity
Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.G. Bryans (H) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (d) of the proposition of Deputy Andrew David Lewis of St. Helier , as amended, agreed to request the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward for debate the necessary legislative changes to enable the foregoing in time for the May 2018 elections.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 27 CONTRE: 16 ABSTAIN: 1
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. Peter
Senator A.J.H. Maclean Connétable of St. Mary
Senator I.J. Gorst Connétable of Grouville
Senator L.J. Farnham Connétable of St. John
Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Helier Deputy J.A. Martin (H)
Connétable of St. Clement Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy K.C. Lewis (S)
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy M.R. Higgins (H)
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy of Grouville Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy of Trinity Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy S.M. Bree (C)
Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy R.G. Bryans (H)
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H)
Deputy R. Labey (H)
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S)
Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
Changes in Presidency
The Greffier of the States retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Senator Lyndon John Farnham (P.133/2016 Amd.(3)) and Mrs. L.-M. Hart , Deputy Greffier of the States, assumed the Presidency. The Greffier of the States returned to the Chamber during consideration of the same amendment and the meeting continued under his Presidency.
Arrangement of public business for future meetings
THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chairman of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –
14th February 2017
Minister for Education: vote of censure. P.6/2017. Lodged: 31st January 2017.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .
Draft Employment of States of Jersey Employees (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) P.105/2016. Regulations 201-.
Lodged: 5th October 2016.
States Employment Board.
Draft Employment of States of Jersey Employees (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) P.105/2016. Regulations 201- (P.105/2016): amendment. Amd. Lodged: 23rd December 2016.
States Employment Board.
Draft Employment of States of Jersey Employees (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) P.105/2016. Regulations 201- (P.105/2016): amendment (P.105/2016 Amd.) – comments. Amd.Com. Presented: 12th January 2017.
Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel.
Draft Employment of States of Jersey Employees (Amendment No. 8) (Jersey) P.105/2016. Regulations 201- (P.105/2016): second amendment. Amd.(2) Lodged: 31st January 2017.
States Employment Board.
Television Licence Fee: exemption for Jersey residents aged 75 and over. P.117/2016. Lodged: 4th November 2016.
Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .
Draft Bank (Recovery and Resolution) (Jersey) Law 201-. P.134/2016. Lodged: 20th December 2016.
Chief Minister.
Draft The Law Society of Jersey (Amendment No. 4) Law 201-. P.136/2016. Lodged: 20th December 2016.
Chief Minister.
Draft States of Jersey Police Force (Chief Officer and Deputy Chief Officer) (Jersey) P.139/2016. Regulations 201-.
Lodged: 30th December 2016.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Draft States of Jersey Police Force (Police Negotiating Board) (Jersey) Regulations 201-. P.140/2016. Lodged: 30th December 2016.
Minister for Home Affairs.
Senators and Deputies: candidates' qualifications. P.1/2017. Lodged: 6th January 2017.
Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .
Brexit Report: steps taken by the Government of Jersey before Notification by the P.7/2017. Government of the United Kingdom under Article 50 of the UK's intention to withdraw
from the EU.
Lodged: 31st January 2017.
Minister for External Relations.
14th March 2017
Funding for Family Nursing and Home Care services – petition. P.122/2016. Lodged: 15th November 2016.
Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .
Draft Criminal Justice (Compensation Orders) (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 201-. P.2/2017. Lodged: 10th January 2017.
Chief Minister.
Draft Water Pollution (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 201-. P.3/2017. Lodged: 24th January 2017.
Minister for the Environment.
Draft Referendum (Jersey) Law 201-. P.4/2017. Lodged: 31st January 2017.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Draft Income Support (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Law 201-. P.5/2017. Lodged: 31st January 2017.
Minister for Social Security.
18th April 2017
Future Hospital Funding Strategy (as amended) P.130/2016. Lodged: 30th November 2016.
Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Bank Depositors Compensation (Jersey) Law 201-. P.135/2016. Lodged: 20th December 2016.
Chief Minister.
20th June 2017
Millennium Town Park: additional open space and public parking. P.123/2016. Lodged: 22nd November 2016.
Connétable of St. Helier .
THE STATES rose at 5.30 p.m.
L.-M. HART Deputy Greffier of the States