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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 21st March 2018, at 09.30 a.m. under the Presidency of
Dr. Mark Egan, Greffier of the States. __________________
All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Senator Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.) Senator Alan John Henry Maclean – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.) Senator Sir Philip Martin Bailhache – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.) Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.) Deputy Roderick Gordon Bryans of St. Helier – ill
Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour – ill
Deputy Russell Labey of St. Helier – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.02 a.m.)
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Prayers
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Documents presented
States Greffe Business Plan 2018. R.31/2018. Presented: 21st March 2018.
Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Withdrawal of lodged propositions
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposers of the following propositions lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that they had been withdrawn –
Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 201- (P.18/2018): third amendment. P.18/2018. Lodged: 6th March 2018. Amd.(3) Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel.
Committee of Inquiry: actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which P.36/2018. led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat (P.36/2018) – amendment. Amd. Lodged: 26th February 2018.
Senator S.C. Ferguson.
Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 201- P.18/2018
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 201- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 37 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H) Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, commenced consideration of Articles 1 to 4 and, adopting an amendment of the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel (P.18/2018 Amd.), agreed that in Article 1(4)(b), for the words "urine or saliva" there should be substituted the words "urine, faeces or saliva".
THE STATES, having resumed consideration of Article 1, as amended, and Articles 2 to 4, adopted Article 1, as amended, and Articles 2 to 4.
THE STATES adopted Articles 5 to 12. THE STATES adopted Articles 13 to 17. Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator I.J. Gorst Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache
Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H) Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES adopted Articles 18 to 20.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 42 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H) Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES adopted Articles 21 to 40.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator A.J.H. Maclean Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. John Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy R.J. Rondel (H) Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES commenced consideration of Article 41 and rejected an amendment of the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel (P.18/2018 Amd.(2)) that for Article 41, there should be substituted the following Article –
"41 Mixed indictments: mode of trial
- For the purpose of the Loi (1864) réglant la Procédure Criminelle, on an indictment falling within paragraph (2), the Royal Court is to decide, having regard to the nature and gravity of the offences and after hearing any submissions from the defence and the prosecution, the method by which the defendant is to be tried.
- An indictment falls within this paragraph if it charges 2 or more offences, of which –
- at least one is an offence under customary law; and
- at least one other is an offence under any Part of this Law.".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Connétable of St. Helier Deputy of Grouville Deputy of Trinity Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. John Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Peter
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
STATES MINUTES
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
21st March 2018
Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
THE STATES, resuming consideration of Article 41, adopted Article 41.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 35 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. John Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES adopted Articles 42 to 49 and the Schedule.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 37 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Sexual Offences (Jersey) Law 201-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator P.F. Routier
Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator L.J. Farnham Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator A.K.F. Green Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy of Trinity
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES rejected a proposition of Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson that consideration of her proposition entitled Committee of Inquiry: actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat' (P.36/2018) be deferred to Friday 23rd March 2018.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 0
Senator I.J. Gorst
Senator P.M. Bailhache Senator S.C. Ferguson Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Deputy T.A. McDonald (S)
Senator P.F. Routier Senator P.F.C. Ozouf Senator L.J. Farnham Senator A.K.F. Green Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville
Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy E.J. Noel (L) Deputy of St. John
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H) Deputy A.D. Lewis (H) Deputy of St. Ouen
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy M.J. Norton (B) Deputy of St. Mary
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Committee of Inquiry: actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat P.36/2018
THE STATES, commencing consideration of a proposition of Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson entitled Committee of Inquiry: actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat' (P.36/2018), adopted an amendment of Senator Sir Philip Martin Bailhache (P.36/2018 Amd.(2)) that, in paragraph (a), for the words "leading to the formation of the J.L.A., in order to investigate the actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat", there should be substituted the words "surrounding the breakdown of the relationship between the former crew of the St. Helier Lifeboat Station and the R.N.L.I. and leading to the formation of the J.L.A.".
THE STATES, having resumed consideration of the proposition of Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson, as amended, rejected the proposition –
- to agree that a Committee of Inquiry should be established in accordance with Standing Order 146 to inquire into the circumstances surrounding the breakdown of the relationship between the former crew of the St. Helier Lifeboat Station and the R.N.L.I. and leading to the formation of the J.L.A.; and
- to request the Chief Minister to take the necessary steps to select a suitable Chairman and members to undertake the Inquiry and to bring forward to the States for approval the necessary proposition relating to their appointment and the approval of detailed terms of reference for the Inquiry.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 15 CONTRE: 26 ABSTAIN: 1 Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator P.F. Routier Senator I.J. Gorst
Connétable of St. Mary Senator P.F.C. Ozouf
Connétable of St. Saviour Senator L.J. Farnham
Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Senator A.K.F. Green
Deputy of Grouville Connétable of St. Helier
Deputy J.A. Hilton (H) Connétable of St. Clement
Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (L) Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Connétable of St. Lawrence
Deputy of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade
Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Connétable of St. Martin
Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Connétable of Grouville
Deputy R. Labey (H) Connétable of St. John
Deputy S.M. Bree (C) Connétable of Trinity
Deputy T.A. McDonald (S) Deputy G.P. Southern (H)
Deputy of St. Mary Deputy of Trinity
Deputy M. Tadier (B)
Deputy E.J. Noel (L)
Deputy S.J. Pinel (C)
Deputy of St. Martin
Deputy of St. Peter
Deputy S.Y. Mézec (H)
Deputy A.D. Lewis (H)
Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)
Deputy M.J. Norton (B)
Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)
Deputy P.D. McLinton (S)
Changes in Presidency
Dr. Mark Egan, Greffier of the States, retired from the Chair during consideration of the proposition of Senator Sarah Craig Ferguson entitled Committee of Inquiry: actions taken by the R.N.L.I. and the Jersey Government which led to the removal of the All Weather Lifeboat' (P.36/2018), and the meeting continued under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff .
Visitor in the public gallery – welcome
The Deputy Bailiff , on behalf of all members, welcomed a young girl who was present in the public gallery and who, following a recent visit to the States Chamber during a Year 5 school visit, had expressed a desire to become a States member.
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 22nd March 2018 to continue consideration of the outstanding items of public business.
THE STATES rose at 8.36 p.m.
W. MILLOW
Acting Greffier of the States