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States Minutes 12th May 2020

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THE STATES assembled on Tuesday 12th May 2020, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff , Timothy John Le Cocq , Esquire.

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His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor,

Air Chief Marshall Sir Stephen Dalton, G.C.B., LL.D. (Hon.), D.Sc. (Hon.), B.Sc., F.R.Ae.S., C.C.M.I. was present.

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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Connétable Deidre Wendy Mezbourian of St. Lawrence – excused attendance (joined at 2.30 p.m.)

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – meeting held remotely

THE STATES assembled remotely, in accordance with Standing Order 55A, as the Bailiff considered that it was not possible to convene or maintain a quorate meeting in view of a substantial risk to the health of both States Members and the public.

Tribute to the late Mr. John Benjamin Fox, former member of the States

The Bailiff paid tribute to the late Mr. John Benjamin Fox, former Deputy of St Helier. The States observed one minute's silence as a mark of respect.

Subordinate enactments tabled

The following enactments were tabled, namely –

Prison (Temporary Amendment – Covid-19) (Jersey) Rules 2020.  R&O.44/2020. Minister for Home Affairs.

Covid-19 (Construction Work) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.51/2020. Minister for Health and Social Services.

Covid-19 (Restricted Movement) (Amendment – Second Extension) (Jersey) Order  R&O.52/2020. 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

Capacity and Self-Determination (Miscellaneous Provisions and Prescribed Fees and  R&O.53/2020. Forms) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

EU Legislation (Sanctions – Yemen) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.54/2020. Minister for External Relations.

Taxation  (Implementation)  (International  Tax  Compliance)  (Common  Reporting  R&O.55/2020. Standard) (Amendment of Regulations No. 3 – Participating Jurisdictions) (Jersey)

Order 2020.

Minister for External Relations.

Covid-19 (Restricted Movement) (Amendment – Exceptions) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.56/2020. Minister for Health and Social Services.

Covid-19 (Restricted Trading) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.57/2020. Minister for Health and Social Services.

Road Traffic ( St. Saviour ) (Amendment No. 12) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.58/2020. Minister for Infrastructure.

Covid-19 (Construction Work) (Amendment – Extension) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.59/2020. Minister for Health and Social Services.

Covid-19 (Restricted Movement) (Amendment – Exceptions, Public Places and Third  R&O.60/2020. Extension) (Jersey) Order 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

Covid-19 (Restricted Trading) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order 2020.  R&O.61/2020. Minister for Health and Social Services.

Public Health and Safety (Rented Dwellings – Minimum Standards and Prescribed  R&O.62/2020. Hazards) (Amendment) (Jersey) Order 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

Documents presented

Draft  Limited  Liability  Companies  (Amendment)  (Jersey)  Law  202-  (P.35/2020):  P.35/2020. comments. Com. Presented: 7th May 2020.

Economic and International Affairs Scrutiny Panel.

Social  Security  Fund:  repayment  of  States  Contribution  for  2020  (P.44/2020) –  P.44/2020. comments. Com. Presented: 7th May 2020.

Council of Ministers.

Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme (P.52/2020) – comments. P.52/2020. Presented: 7th May 2020.  Com. Minister for Economic Development, Tourism, Sport and Culture.

Insurance. R.44/2020. Presented: 27th April 2020.

Comptroller and Auditor General.

Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Annual Report and Accounts for the  R.45/2020. year ended 31 December 2019.

Presented: 1st May 2020.

Comptroller and Auditor General.

Employment Forum: appointment of Chair and members. R.46/2020. Presented: 6th May 2020.

Minister for Social Security.

Jersey  Advisory  and  Conciliation  Service:  Board Members'  Report  and  Financial  R.47/2020. Statements for the year ended 31st December 2019.

Presented: 6th May 2020.

Minister for Social Security.

States Employment Board: Annual Report 2019. R.48/2020. Presented: 7th May 2020.

States Employment Board.

Notification of lodged propositions

Court proceedings: provision of live-streaming for sittings normally held in public  P.43/2020. (P.43/2020) – amendment. Amd. Lodged: 11th May 2020.

Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .

Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme (P.52/2020) – amendment. P.52/2020. Lodged: 11th May 2020.  Amd. Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier .

Covid-19: questions without notice to all Ministers on the response of the Government  P.53/2020. of Jersey (P.51/2020) – rescindment of paragraph (a).

Lodged: 24th April 2020.

Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier .

Arrangements for questions without notice to all Ministers. P.54/2020. Lodged: 27th April 2020.

Deputy R. Labey of St. Helier .

Arrangements for questions without notice to all Ministers (P.54/2020): amendment. P.54/2020. Lodged: 1st May 2020.  Amd. Deputy J.M. Maçon of St. Saviour .

Draft Air Navigation (Rules of the Air) (Amendment No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202-. P.55/2020. Lodged: 29th April 2020.

Minister for External Relations.

Putting Jersey businesses first. P.56/2020. Lodged: 1st May 2020.

Deputy K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence .

Period of Questions Without Notice to the Chief Minister at every scheduled Sitting. P.57/2020. Lodged: 6th May 2020.

Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .

Draft Covid-19 (Capacity and Self-Determination) (Jersey) Regulations 202-. P.58/2020. Lodged: 6th May 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

Withdrawal of lodged propositions

THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), the proposer of the following proposition lodged "au Greffe" had informed the Greffier of the States that it had been withdrawn –

Draft Covid-19 (Capacity and Self-Determination) (Jersey) Regulations 202-. P.47/2020. Lodged: 17th April 2020.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel – appointment of member

In accordance with Standing Order 125(7) the Chair of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel indicated that she wished to increase the size of the Panel to 5 members, including the Chair, and nominated Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier as a member of the Panel.

There being no other nominations, the Presiding Officer declared that Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier had been duly appointed as a member of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel.

Written Questions

(see Official Report/Hansard)

WQ.151/2020  1.  The Chief Minister tabled an answer to a question asked by the Deputy of St. Martin regarding

non-Covid 19-related Government of Jersey projects.

WQ.152/2020  2.  The Minister for Infrastructure tabled an answer to a question asked by the Connétable of

St. Helier regarding the lease arrangements for Warwick Farm.

WQ.153/2020  3.  The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

J.H. Perchard of St. Saviour regarding construction permits during the Coronavirus crisis. WQ.154/2020  4.  The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Senator

K.L. Moore regarding G.P. services during the Coronavirus crisis.

WQ.155/2020  5.  The Chief Minister tabled an answer to a question asked by Senator K.L. Moore regarding

employees and consultants of the Government of Jersey who continued to reside in the U.K. WQ.156/2020  6.  The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Senator

K.L. Moore regarding polymerise chain reaction (P.C.R.) testing and antibody testing for

Covid-19.

WQ.157/2020  7.  The Minister for Treasury and Resources tabled an answer to a question asked by the Deputy

of St. John regarding the support available to companies who were exempt from corporation tax.

WQ.158/2020  8.  The Minister for Infrastructure tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy R.J. Ward of

St. Helier regarding the subsidy paid to Liberty Bus for the provision of a school bus service. WQ.159/2020  9.  The Minister for the Environment tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy R.J. Ward

of St. Helier regarding the use of the Climate Emergency Fund during the Coronavirus crisis. WQ.160/2020  10. The Minister for Social Security tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy R.J. Ward

of St. Helier regarding the Covid Related Emergency Support Scheme (C.R.E.S.S.).

WQ.161/2020  11. The Chief Minister tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier

regarding the recovery plan of the Government of Jersey in relation to the Coronavirus crisis. WQ.162/2020  12. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence regarding the Covid-19 (Restricted Movement) (Jersey) Order

2020.

WQ.163/2020  13. The Minister for International Development tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence regarding the work of the Jersey Overseas Aid Commission during the Coronavirus crisis.

WQ.164/2020  14. The Minister for Education tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy K.F. Morel of

St. Lawrence regarding access by Jersey schoolchildren to Internet-based devices at home. WQ.165/2020  15. The Chief Minister tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy K.F. Morel of

St. Lawrence regarding the Modernisation and Digital work programme.

WQ.166/2020  16. The Minister for External Relations tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy K.F.

Morel of St. Lawrence regarding the Government of Jersey's Brexit-planning activity. WQ.167/2020  17. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

C.S. Alves of St. Helier regarding the prospect of subsidising home-visits undertaken by

G.P.s.

WQ.168/2020  18. The Minister for Social Security tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy C.S. Alves

of St. Helier regarding the financial support available to people who were unable to work but whose place of work was operational.

WQ.169/2020  19. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

C.S. Alves of St. Helier regarding the system of permits for construction sites.

WQ.170/2020  20. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

C.S. Alves of St. Helier regarding the contact-tracing to be undertaken by the Government of Jersey during the Coronavirus crisis.

WQ.171/2020  21. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

C.S. Alves of St. Helier regarding Covid-19 antibody testing.

WQ.172/2020  22. The Minister for Children and Housing tabled an answer to a question asked by the Deputy of

St. Peter regarding the guidelines provided to landlords, and landlords' agents, during the Coronavirus crisis.

WQ.173/2020  23. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier regarding the staffing of the Nightingale' Hospital.

WQ.174/2020  24. The Minister for Treasury and Resources tabled an answer to a question asked by the

Connétable of St. Martin regarding the external contracts of JT.

WQ.175/2020  25. The Minister for the Environment tabled an answer to a question asked by the Connétable of

St. Martin regarding the effectiveness of animal welfare legislation in the Island.

WQ.176/2020  26. The Minister for Treasury and Resources tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy M.

Tadier of St. Brelade regarding signage erected at St. Catherine's Breakwater.

WQ.177/2020  27. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

G.P. Southern of St. Helier regarding the Government's stock of personal protective equipment (P.P.E.).

WQ.178/2020  28. The Minister for Health and Social Services tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy

G.P. Southern of St. Helier regarding nurse-to-patient ratios.

WQ.179/2020  29. The Minister for Treasury and Resources tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy I.

Gardiner of St. Helier regarding the Government Co-Funded Payroll Scheme.

WQ.180/2020  30. The Minister for Social Security tabled an answer to a question asked by Deputy I. Gardiner

of St. Helier regarding the administration of Income Support during the Coronavirus crisis. WQ.181/2020  31. The Minister for Economic Development, Tourism, Sport and Culture tabled an answer to a

question asked by Deputy I. Gardiner of St. Helier regarding the redeployment of locally-

based workers to essential areas of employment.

Oral Questions

(see Official Report/Hansard)

OQ.132/2020 1.   Deputy L.M.C. Doublet of St. Saviour asked a question of H.M. Attorney General regarding

his decision not to pursue offences under the Policing of Beaches (Jersey) Regulations 1959 between 1st and 12th May 2020.

OQ.117/2020  2.  The Deputy of St. Mary asked a question of the Minister for Economic Development, Tourism,

Sport and Culture regarding the separation of the Channel Islands Competition and Regulation Authorities (C.I.C.R.A.).

OQ.114/2020  3.   Deputy K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence asked a question of the Minister for Education regarding

the access by the Island's school pupils to a laptop computer at home.

OQ.113/2020  4.  The Deputy of St. Martin asked a question of the Minister for Infrastructure regarding

discussions to close roads and lanes in Town to provide for safe access by pedestrians and cyclists.

OQ.128/2020  5.   Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Children and

Housing regarding seasonal workers who had reportedly lost their accommodation due to the Coronavirus crisis.

OQ.112/2020  6.  The Connétable of St. Brelade asked a question of the Minister for Health and Social Services

regarding the management of clinical waste from care homes.

OQ.123/2020  7.   Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for the Environment regarding

the monitoring of air-quality in the Island.

OQ.126/2020  8.  The Connétable of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Infrastructure regarding the

use of the promenade along Victoria Avenue by pedestrians and cyclists.

OQ.125/2020  9.   Deputy I. Gardiner of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Home Affairs regarding

the Jersey Police Complaints Authority.

OQ.120/2020  10. The Deputy of St. Peter asked a question of the Minister for Economic Development, Tourism,

Sport and Culture regarding the maintenance of regular and affordable flights to, and from, the U.K.

OQ.110/2020  11. Deputy C.S. Alves of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Education regarding the

support available to students to access Internet-enabled devices at home.

OQ.118/2020  12. Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade asked a question of the Minister for Infrastructure regarding

the chemicals to be used when disinfecting high traffic areas' in the Island.

OQ.121/2020  13. Deputy K.G. Pamplin of St. Saviour asked a question of the Minister for Infrastructure

regarding the planning applications in respect of Clinique Pinel and the surrounding area. OQ.129/2020  14. Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Health and Social

Services regarding measures to ensure that Covid-19 could be conclusively identified as a

cause of death for those individuals who reportedly died of the virus.

OQ.116/2020  15. Senator K.L. Moore asked a question of the Chief Minister regarding the impact of the Covid-

19 pandemic on Government services.

OQ.115/2020  16. Deputy K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence asked a question of the Minister for Infrastructure

regarding the environmental impact of deep cleaning' the public realm of St. Helier . OQ.122/2020  17. Deputy K.G. Pamplin of St. Saviour asked a question of the Assistant Minister for Health and

Social Services regarding the operation of the mental health service during the Covid-19

pandemic.

OQ.119/2020  18. Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade asked a question of the Minister for Health and Social

Services regarding the introduction of a radiotherapy unit in Jersey.

OQ.131/2020  19. Deputy I. Gardiner of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Economic Development,

Tourism, Sport and Culture regarding the redeployment of on-Island workers to essential areas.

OQ.124/2020  20. Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Health and Social Services

regarding the provision of personal protective equipment (P.P.E.) to nursing homes. OQ.130/2020  21. Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for the Environment

regarding the findings of the report Use of Enforcement Powers' (R.40/2020).

OQ.127/2020  22. The Connétable of St. Helier asked a question of the Minister for Economic Development,

Tourism, Sport and Culture regarding the cost of separating the Channel Islands Competition and Regulation Authorities (C.I.C.R.A.)

Oral Questions without notice (see Official Report/Hansard)

A period of questions without notice was held, during which questions were permitted to any Minister on the subject of the Government of Jersey's response to the Coronavirus pandemic.

Statements on a matter of official responsibility (see Official Report/Hansard)

The Assistant Chief Minister made a statement regarding the Our Hospital' project.

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES, adopting the request of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier , agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 80, to suspend Standing Order 32 in order that the amendment (P.52/2020 Amd.) to his own proposition entitled Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme' (P.52/2020) might be listed for consideration at the present meeting; and further agreed in accordance with Standing Order 26(7), to reduce the minimum lodging period in respect of the amendment in order that it might be debated at the present meeting.

THE STATES agreed in accordance with Standing Order 26(7), to reduce the minimum lodging period in respect of the following propositions in order that they might be debated at the present meeting –

Covid-19: questions without notice to all Ministers on the response of the Government of Jersey (P.51/2020) – rescindment of paragraph (a)' (P.53/2020), lodged by Deputy Robert James Ward of St. Helier

Arrangements for questions without notice to all Ministers' (P.54/2020), lodged by Deputy Russell Labey of St. Helier

Period of Questions Without Notice to the Chief Minister at every scheduled Sitting' (P.57/2020), lodged by Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore

Senator S.W. Pallett

Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

THE STATES, adopting the request of the Minister for Health and Social Services, agreed in accordance with Standing Order 26(7), to reduce the minimum lodging period in respect of the Draft Covid-19 (Capacity and Self-Determination) (Jersey) Regulations 202-, in order that they might be debated at the present meeting.

Changes in Presidency

The Bailiff retired from the Chamber during the arrangement of public business at the present meeting and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Dr. Mark Egan, Greffier of the States.

Draft Limited Liability Companies (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 202- P.35/2020

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Limited Liability Companies (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 202- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 46 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore Senator S.W. Pallett Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 19.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 41 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator S.W. Pallett Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of Her Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Limited Liability Companies (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 202-.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 48 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore Senator S.W. Pallett Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES rejected the request of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade , in accordance with Standing Order 80, to suspend Standing Order 32 in order that the amendment (P.43/2020 Amd.) to his own proposition entitled Court proceedings: provision of live-streaming for sittings normally held in public' (P.43/2020) might be listed for consideration at the present meeting, and to reduce, in accordance with Standing Order 26(7), the minimum lodging period in respect of the amendment in order that it might be debated at the present meeting.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 13 CONTRE: 33 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator K.L. Moore

Senator S.Y. Mézec

Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)


Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin

Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy of St. John

Deputy S.M. Ahier (H)

Court proceedings: provision of live-streaming for sittings normally held in public P.43/2020

THE STATES noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 34(1), Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade had informed the Greffier of the States that his proposition entitled Court proceedings: provision of live- streaming for sittings normally held in public' (P.43/2020) had been withdrawn.

Social Security Fund: repayment of States Contribution for 2020 P.44/2020

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Kirsten Francis Morel of St. Lawrence entitled Social Security Fund: repayment of States Contribution for 2020' (P.44/2020) to agree that the sum of £65.3 million should be paid to the Social Security Fund to compensate for the lack of any contribution by the States to the Fund in 2020; and to request the Council of Ministers to include a structured proposal within the 2021 Government Plan for such funding to be made within the next 15 years.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 9 CONTRE: 37 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S.C. Ferguson Senator K.L. Moore Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Martin Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H)


Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator S.W. Pallett

Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)

Deputy of St. Mary Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter Deputy of Trinity Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

Changes in Presidency

Dr. Mark Egan, Greffier of the States, retired from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of Deputy Kirsten Francis Morel of St. Lawrence entitled Social Security Fund: repayment of States Contribution for 2020' (P.44/2020) and the meeting continued under the Presidency of the Bailiff .

Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme P.52/2020

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier entitled Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme' (P.52/2020) and, adopting an amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier (P.52/2020 Amd.), agreed that the words "or to provide similar financial assistance" should be deleted.

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Senator Lyndon John Farnham , agreed that it would adjourn once it had completed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier entitled Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme' (P.52/2020).

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 25 CONTRE: 21 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville


Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy L.M.C. Doublet (S) Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H)

Deputy J.M. Maçon (S)   Deputy J.H. Perchard (S) Deputy of St. Ouen   Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H)   Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy G.J. Truscott (B)   Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy K.F. Morel (L)

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy S.M. Ahier (H)

Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme P.52/2020

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier entitled Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme' (P.52/2020), as amended.

Arrangement of public business for the present meeting

THE STATES rejected a proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade that the Assembly should adjourn.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 14  CONTRE: 28  ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. John Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S)


Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore

Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Saviour Connétable of Grouville Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy of Trinity

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme P.52/2020

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier entitled Jersey Gas: inclusion in payroll co-funding scheme' (P.52/2020), as amended, rejected the proposition to request the Minister for Economic Development, Tourism, Sport and Culture to include Jersey Gas on the list of employers able to participate in the payroll co-funding scheme.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 7 CONTRE: 38 ABSTAIN: 0

Senator S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern (H) Deputy M. Tadier (B) Deputy of St. Martin Deputy R.J. Ward (H) Deputy C.S. Alves (H)


Senator I.J. Gorst

Senator L.J. Farnham Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré Senator T.A. Vallois Senator K.L. Moore

Senator S.W. Pallett Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. John Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Martin Deputy J.A. Martin (H) Deputy of Grouville

Deputy K.C. Lewis (S) Deputy M.R. Higgins (H) Deputy J.M. Maçon (S) Deputy S.J. Pinel (C) Deputy of St. Ouen

Deputy R. Labey (H) Deputy S.M. Wickenden (H) Deputy of St. Mary

Deputy G.J. Truscott (B) Deputy J.H. Young (B) Deputy L.B.E. Ash (C) Deputy K.F. Morel (L) Deputy G.C.U. Guida (L) Deputy of St. Peter

Deputy of Trinity

Deputy of St. John

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat (H) Deputy S.M. Ahier (H) Deputy K.G. Pamplin (S) Deputy I. Gardiner (H)

Adjournment

THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Wednesday 13th May 2020, to consider the outstanding items of public business listed for the present meeting.

THE STATES rose at 6.26 p.m.

L.-M. HART Deputy Greffier of the States