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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 14th December 2022, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Timothy John Le Cocq .
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Connétable Michael Keith Jackson of St. Brelade – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.54 a.m.) Connétable Marcus O'Donnel Troy of St. Clement – ill
Deputy Mary Rose Le Hegarat of St. Helier North – excused attendance
Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.54 a.m.) Deputy Hilary Louise Jeune of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity – absent on States business (arrived in the Chamber at 11.17 a.m.)
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Prayers
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Standing Order 55A – remote participation
THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams.
Notification of lodged propositions
Assembly approval for supplementary planning guidance. P.114/2022. Lodged: 14th December 2022, Deputy M.R. Scott of St. Brelade .
Arrangement of public business for the present meeting
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee, agreed that the Assembly would meet until 8.00 p.m. on both Thursday 15th and Friday 16th December 2022, with a short adjournment at 5.30 p.m. on each day.
Proposed Government Plan 2023-2026 P.97/2022
THE STATES, resuming consideration of a proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Government Plan 2023-2026' (P.97/2022), as amended, resumed consideration of an amendment of the Council of Ministers (P.97/2022 Amd.(20) and, adopting the amendment, agreed that –
in paragraph (b), after the words "those revised approvals", there should be inserted the words ", except that –
- to refer to their Act of 7th October 2021, in which they approved the funding of Our Hospital through borrowing (external financing), and to agree that such approval extends
to the funding of ongoing work on the development of future healthcare facilities during 2023; and
- in Summary Table 2, the "Borrowing for Our Hospital" should be renamed "Borrowing for Healthcare facilities", and the maximum amount which may be borrowed for these purposes be set at £90,071,000, with the change to approval in Summary Table 2 amended to £-665,929,000 with the figure in each of the columns headed 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026 in Summary Table 2 to be amended accordingly to reflect this change";
in paragraph (c), after the words "of the Law", there should be inserted the words ", except that, in Summary Table 3, the transfer from the Strategic Reserve to the Consolidated Fund should be amended as follows –
- the transfer for Hospital capital should be amended to £51,500,000 for 2023 and zero in all future years; and
- the transfer for Hospital borrowing should be amended to £4,200,000 in each of 2023 and 2024, £3,900,000 in 2025 and £3,500,000 in 2026";
in paragraph (d), after the words "to the Report", there should be inserted the words ", except that in Summary Table 4 –
- the Total Project Approval for Our Hospital shall be amended to £77,116,000 with the Change amended to £-727,384,000; and
- the following row shall be added to the end of the table, with Healthcare facilities' to include £8,860,000 spent in 2022 on Les Quennevais under the Our Hospital Head of Expenditure –
Spons Supply Previous Total Project
£'000 Dept Dept Approval Approval Change Healthcare facilities HCS IHE - 60,360 60,360
in paragraph (e), after the words "of the Report", there should be inserted the words ", except that –
- in Summary Table 5(i), the Head of Expenditure for Our Hospital – Financing Costs should be replaced with the following –
Head of £'000 Income Expenditure Expenditure Healthcare facilities - financing
costs - 4,200 4,200
- in Summary Table 5(ii), the Head of Expenditure for Our Hospital should be replaced with the following –
Major Sponsor Supply 2023 £'000 Project Department Department Estimate Healthcare facilities M HCS IHE 51,500
in paragraph (i), the existing paragraph should be designated as new paragraph (j) and the following paragraph inserted as paragraph (i) –
"(i) to refer to their act of 7th October 2021, in which they agreed to amend the Strategic
Reserve Fund policy, so as to allow the Fund to be used to support the delivery of Our Hospital and to agree that the policy should be amended to allow the Fund to also be used to support the ongoing work on the development of future healthcare facilities proposed to be undertaken during 2023 and the borrowing costs for such work."; and
in paragraph (i), re-designated as paragraph (j), after the words "Appendix 3 to the Report", there should be inserted the words
", except that page 69 shall be amended accordingly to reflect the ongoing work on the development of future healthcare facilities during 2023,".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 33 CONTRE: 12 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Deputy M.R. Scott
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy G..P. Southern
Connétable of Trinity Deputy M. Tadier
Connétable of St. Peter Deputy R.J. Ward
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy C.S. Alves
Connétable of St. John Deputy L.J Farnham
Connétable of Grouville Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy T.A. Coles
Connétable of St. Mary Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy K.L. Moore
Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf
Deputy P.M. Bailhache
Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson
Deputy L.K.F Stephenson
Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, commencing consideration of an amendment of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel (P.97/2022 Amd.(4)), rejected an amendment of the Council of Ministers (P.97/2022 Amd.(4)Amd.) that –
in part 1, for the words "shall be reduced to £0 for 2023 and 2024", there should be substituted the words "shall be reduced to £4,178,000 (Revenue) and £0 (Capital) in 2023 and £3,216,000 (Revenue) and £0 (Capital) in 2024."; and
in part 2, for the words "the General Reserve Head of Expenditure shall be reduced by £12,450,000", there should be substituted the words "the General Reserve Head of Expenditure shall be reduced by £7,378,000" and, after the words "Digital Care Strategy", there should be added a new sub-paragraph (b) as follows –
"(b) the Head of Expenditure for Health and Community Services shall be reduced by
£894,000"
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 16 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Brelade
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of Trinity
Deputy K.F. Morel Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy S.M. Ahier Connétable of St. Martin
Deputy I. Gardiner Connétable of Grouville
Deputy I.J. Gorst Connétable of St. Ouen
Deputy K.L. Moore Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy G..P. Southern
Deputy D.J. Warr Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy J. Renouf Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy L.J Farnham
Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy P.M. Bailhache
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy L.K.F Stephenson
Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, adopting the amendment of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel, agreed that – in paragraph (c), after the words "Article 9(2)(b) of the Law", there should be inserted the words –
", except that –
(a) the transfers from the Health Insurance Fund to the Consolidated Fund (Revenue) and Consolidated Fund (Capital) shall be reduced to £0 for 2023 and 2024"; and
in paragraph (e), after the words "of the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that –
(a) the General Reserve Head of Expenditure shall be reduced by £12,450,000 for the purposes of funding the Jersey Care Model, the Jersey Care Model – Digital Systems and the Digital Care Strategy".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 31 CONTRE: 13 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G..P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy L.J Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy B. Ward
Deputy L.K.F Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy I.J. Gorst Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy D.J. Warr Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy K.M. Wilson
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and rejected an amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier Central (P.97/2022 Amd.(16)) that –
in paragraph (c), after the words "Appendix 2 – Summary Table 3 to the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that a new line should be inserted in Summary Table 3 to include a transfer of £6.5m from the Health Insurance Fund to the Consolidated Fund to allocate funds for the provision of a scheme to allow Islanders with multi-morbidity to receive G.P. consultations or other primary health interventions at a reduced rate of patient co-payment"; and
in paragraph (e), after the words "Appendix 2 – Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that, in Summary Table 5(i) the Head of Expenditure for Health and Community Services should be increased by £6.5m to allocate funds for the provision of a scheme to allow Islanders with multi-morbidity to receive G.P. consultations or other primary health interventions at a reduced rate of patient co-payment".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 14 CONTRE: 32 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Martin Deputy G..P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy L.J Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and, adopting an amendment of Deputy Carina Soares Alves of St. Helier Central (P.97/2022 Amd.(18)), agreed that –
in paragraph (c), after the words "Appendix 2 – Summary Table 3 to the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that a new line should be inserted in Summary Table 3 to include a transfer of £800,000 from the Health Insurance Fund to the Consolidated Fund to allocate funds for the provision of a scheme to allow children and young people from 0 years to 17 years of age to receive free G.P. consultations;"; and
in paragraph (e), after the words "Appendix 2 – Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that, in Summary Table 5(i) the Head of Expenditure for Health and Community Services should be increased by £800,000 to allocate funds for the provision of a scheme to allow children and young people from 0 years to 17 years of age to receive free G.P. consultations;".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 24 CONTRE: 22 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf
Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy K.F. Morel
Connétable of St. John Deputy S.M. Ahier
Connétable of Grouville Deputy I.J. Gorst
Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy K.L. Moore
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy P.M. Bailhache
Deputy G..P. Southern Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy M. Tadier Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy A. Howell
Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy L.J Farnham Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy B. Ward
Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée Deputy K.M. Wilson
Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.K.F Stephenson
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy M.B. Andrews
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers, as amended, and rejected an amendment of Deputy Mary Rose Scott of St. Brelade (P.97/2022 Amd.(12)) that, in paragraph (e), after the words "Summary Tables 5(i) and (ii) of the Report", there should be inserted the words –
", except that in Summary Table 5(i) the Heads of Expenditure for the Department for the Economy shall be reduced by £700,000 on the basis that New Revenue Expenditure Growth will not be allocated to Jersey Business in 2023".
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 3 CONTRE: 43 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Helier Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of Trinity Deputy M.R. Scott Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. John Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G..P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy B.B.S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff retired from the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel (P.97/2022 Amd.(4)) to the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Government Plan 2023-2026' (P.97/2022) and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States. The Bailiff returned to the Chamber during consideration of the amendment of Deputy Geoffrey Peter Southern of St. Helier Central (P.97/2022 Amd.(16)) to the same proposition and the meeting continued under his Presidency.
Adjournment
THE STATES adjourned, having agreed to reconvene on Thursday 15th December 2022 to continue consideration of the proposition of the Council of Ministers entitled Proposed Government Plan 2023- 2026' (P.97/2022), as amended, and the other outstanding propositions listed for the meeting.
THE STATES rose at 5.25 p.m.
W.J.C. MILLOW Deputy Greffier of the States