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States Minutes 18th January 2023

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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 18th January 2022, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,

Sir Timothy John Le Cocq .

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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Connétable Richard Vibert of St. Peter – en défaut (défaut raised at 10.12 a.m.)

Deputy Louise Mary Catherine Doublet of St. Saviour – excused attendance (joined at 9.55 a.m.) Deputy Beatriz Borges de Sousa Vaz Moreno Porée of St. Helier South – excused attendance Deputy Thomas John Albert Binet of St. Saviour – ill

Deputy Alexander Frederick Curtis of St. Clement – excused attendance (arrived at 10.14 a.m.)

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Prayers were read by the Greffier of the States __________________

Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams.

Documents presented

Draft Sea Fisheries (TCA – Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment of Law and  P.115/2022. Regulations) (No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202-. (P.115/2022): addendum.  Add. Presented: 18th January 2023, Minister for the Environment.

Jersey Audit Office Audit Plan 2023.  R.4/2023. Presented: 18th January 2023, Comptroller and Auditor General.

Jersey Audit Office Strategy 2023-2026.  R.5/2023. Presented: 18th January 2023, Comptroller and Auditor General.

Statements on a matter of official responsibility (see Official Report/Hansard)

The Chief Minister made a statement regarding the Major Incident declared following recent flooding in Grands Vaux.

Re-instatement of Senators P.108/2022

THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter entitled Re-instatement of Senators' (P.108/2022) and rejected the proposition –

  1. that the office of Senator, elected on an Island-wide basis, should be re-instated in time for the General Election in 2026;
  2. to request that the Privileges and Procedures Committee engage with States Members, the public, and other individuals or bodies as it saw necessary, to develop proposals that would amend the electoral system so that Senators, elected on an Island-wide basis, were re-instated at the General Election in 2026; and
  3. that the proposals requested in (b) should be lodged in time for debate by the States Assembly no later than the end of July 2023, with consequential amending legislation being lodged in time for debate no later than December 2023.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 23 CONTRE: 24 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews


Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Changes in Presidency

The Bailiff retired from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter entitled Re-instatement of Senators' (P.108/2022) and the meeting continued under the presidency of Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States. The Bailiff returned to the Chamber during consideration of the same proposition and the meeting continued under his Presidency.

Draft Marriage and Civil Partnership (Amendments) (Jersey) Law 202- P.112/2022)

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Marriage and Civil Partnership (Amendments) (Jersey) Law 202- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 45 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 3.

THE STATES, subject to the sanction of His Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Marriage and Civil Partnership (Amendments) (Jersey) Law 202-.

Draft Proceeds of Crime (Consequential and Miscellaneous) (Jersey) Regulations 202- P.113/2022

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Proceeds of Crime (Consequential and Miscellaneous) (Jersey) Regulations 202- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 46 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Regulations 1 to 10.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 46 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D . Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES made Regulations entitled the Proceeds of Crime (Consequential and Miscellaneous) (Jersey) Regulations 2023 under Article 44A of the Proceeds of Crime (Jersey) Law 1999.

Changes in Presidency

The   Bailiff  retired  from  the  Chamber  prior  to  consideration  of  the  Draft  Proceeds  of  Crime (Consequential and  Miscellaneous) (Jersey)  Regulations  202-  and  the  meeting  continued  under  the presidency  of  Mrs.  Lisa-Marie   Hart ,  Greffier  of  the  States.  The   Bailiff  returned  to  the  Chamber subsequent  to  consideration  of  the  same  Draft  Regulations  and  the  meeting  continued  under  his Presidency.

Assembly approval for supplementary planning guidance P.114/2022

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Mary Rose Scott of St. Brelade entitled  Assembly  approval  for  supplementary  planning  guidance'  (P.114/2022)  and  acceded  to  a request by the Deputy , in accordance with Standing Order 69(4), that the proposition be withdrawn.

Draft Sea Fisheries (TCA – Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment of Law and Regulations) (No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202- P.115/2022

THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Sea Fisheries (TCA – Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment of Law and Regulations) (No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202- and adopted the principles.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 37  CONTRE: 0  ABSTAIN: 8

Connétable of St. Helier Deputy M. Tadier Connétable of St. Lawrence   Deputy R.J. Ward Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy C.S. Alves Connétable of Trinity Deputy S.Y. Mézec Connétable of St. Peter Deputy T.A. Coles Connétable of St. Martin Deputy C.D . Curtis Connétable of St. John Deputy L.V. Feltham Connétable of St. Clement Deputy R.S. Kovacs Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Mary

Connétable of St. Saviour

Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet

Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache

Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

THE STATES, having been informed by the Chair of the Environment, Housing and Infrastructure Scrutiny Panel that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 72(1), he wished to have the Draft Sea Fisheries (TCA – Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment of Law and Regulations) (No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202- referred to that Scrutiny Panel, agreed that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 72(6), the 2nd reading of the draft Regulations would be listed to continue on 7th February 2023.

Arrangement of public business for future meetings

THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –

7th February 2023

Draft Social Security (Amendment of Law No. 17) (Jersey) Regulations 202-.  P.110/2022. Lodged: 18th November 2022, Minister for Social Security.

Draft Sea Fisheries (TCA – Licensing of Fishing Boats) (Amendment of Law and P.115/2022. Regulations) (No. 2) (Jersey) Regulations 202-.

Lodged: 15th December 2022, Minister for the Environment.

Note: The 2nd reading of the draft Regulations would resume, following adoption of the principles on 18th January 2023 and the subsequent referral to the Environment, Housing and Infrastructure Scrutiny Panel under Standing Order 72(1).

Skills Development Fund.  P.116/2022. Lodged: 16th December 2022, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier North .

Establishment of a Climate Council.  P.117/2022. Lodged: 22nd December 2022, Minister for the Environment.

Draft Limited Liability Companies (Amendment) (Jersey) Regulations 202-.  P.118/2022. Lodged:  22nd  December  2022,  Minister  for  External  Relations  and  Financial

Services.

Draft  Limited  Liability  Companies  (Winding  Up  and  Dissolution)  (Amendment) P.119/2022. (Jersey) Regulations 202-.

Lodged:  22nd  December  2022,  Minister  for  External  Relations  and  Financial

Services.

Draft Public Holidays and Bank Holidays (amendment – Coronation) (Jersey) Act P.1/2023. 202-.

Lodged: 10th January 2023, Chief Minister.

28th February 2023

Draft Banking Business (Amendment No. 7 – Commencement) (Jersey) Act 202-. P.2/2023. Lodged: 17th January 2023, Minister for External Relations and Financial Services.

THE STATES rose at 5.28 p.m.

L.-M. HART Greffier of the States