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letter as a submission.
Best,
Kristina
Begin forwarded message:
From: Kristina Moore <K. Moore 2@gov.je>
Subject: Fw: Housing Transformation Programme
Date: 7 August 2012 09:14:48 GMT+01:00
To: "'kristina.dickinson@mac.com'" <kristina.dickinson@mac.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Le Claire [mailto:paulleclaire@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:01 PM
To: Kristina Moore
Subject: Re: Housing Transformation Programme
Dear Kristina
Good to hear from you too!
All well with us Thank You
I hope all is well with you and your family also
You may use this and if you wish I would be happy to give
evidence ?
My main thrust is everything I argue can be supported by States
documents
Apart from undertaking to do the work myself though I believe a
crucial
Element in this is where is the Fair market comparison for
social housing being drawn?
It surely can't be plausible to compare it to our investment
property market can it?
The independent inspectors for the island plan determined that
No type of accommodation in Jersey was affordable for ordinary
people
So surely we can't use an unaffordable stock to gauge what a
fair market is?
What do they charge for social housing in the UK and what are
the consequences of trying to raise money for a few who should perhaps
just be invited to purchase or move which may be the effect in any
event!
What money will this raise?
What subsidies will fall back to the taxpayer via social ?
It will undoubtably have a knock on effect to housing trusts and
other property companies
How much will the non social housing residents be expected to
have to pay as a consequence?
The Island Plan debate gives details of housing and funding into
the centre from rents also
Best regards
Paul
Sent from my iPad
On 1 Aug 2012, at 22:47, Kristina Moore <K. Moore 2@gov.je> wrote:
Dear Paul,
Thanks for copying us in on this email. Good to hear
from you.
May we use this as a submission?
I hope all well with you and family,
Best regards
Kristina
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Le Claire [mailto:paulleclaire@mac.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 01:08 PM
To: Chris Bright <CBright@jerseyeveningpost.com>
Cc: Kristina Moore ; Jacqueline Hilton; James Reed;
Scrutiny
Subject: Housing Transformation Programme
Dear Mr. Editor
i am writing to you regarding
the housing transformation programme and the view that States rentals
should increase by as much as 40% in some cases to take on board a "Fair
Market" element. .
Obviously on a case by case basis tenants should be
paying what they can afford and what is reasonable, especially if they
are in States social rented housing and working.
My own view which I know is hared y many, is that
Social housing is an important part of any responsible jurisdictions
services and an important and valuable asset.
It is right to constantly monitor it not least of all
because of its function and the value of it as a property portfolio for
the islands community.
It is owned by the people in my view and only managed by
successive states members, many of whom would not wish to remind the
public and the business community that it contributes over 30M per
annum to the States coffers.
I laugh when I see the states announce refurbishment
packages which pale in comparison to the money they are taking every
single day of the week.
The criteria for qualifying for limited resources should
be such that access to the stock should not mean that people are
homeless also but we know for a fact that there are, on regular
occasions,
families who can be classified as homeless from the
waiting lists which are published on the website by housing each month
I know this by work I did following on from my
successful proposal to have the list published on the website for all to
see in the last part of my term of office.
The view expressed by some politicians and their
business masters is that social housing rents should be increased to
"fair market levels"
This sounds perfectly reasonable on the face of things
and to add to the appeal they regularly point out that some tenants even
have their own boats.
Probably because home ownership just does not hold water
for these hard working local families.
My question in a nutshell is this. What determines a
"Fair Market? "
The trouble is that in the Jersey context we know that
the notion that there is a fair housing market to any extent is an
absolute non starter, there isn't one and far to much of our earnings go
on property rental and mortgages.
Therefore instead of measuring rentals by the
international investment market that Jersey passes as a housing market,
we should be charging fair market rates in line with those that compare
with UK jurisdictions
Otherwise as Senator Le Gresley points out it will just
load the bills onto Social security and the only ones to hurt long term
will be those in the private rental markets whose rents will rise once
this coup has been completed.
Benefiting many Business men and housing trusts as their
rents are dependent to certain extents on what the States sets it's own
tenants.
So dividing our community once again to hit below the
belt to one half of the ordinary people as usual and coming back for the
other half later on. Citing the support of both sides of the divide as
their plan unravels, as usual.
It is my belief that work should be undertaken to
establish the rental levels in the UK Councils by Scrutiny in order to
evaluate what people are paying in social housing there
I am not advocating trips to Bermuda or the Bahamas as
this work can be done as much other work by writing, or over a
remarkable new invention called the internet and the not so new
telephone.
The States Statistics Unit have demonstrated that the
housing market did not fall in value at any time in real terms in the
past, until this year. Making property as an investment safer than Gold,
platinum or any other commodity
Given it's scarcity and the unending inflow of migrants
we should in my view be establishing access on a "Fair Basis" also
It was proposed before the migrant rules were relaxed
that the 5 year law would be increased to 10 to give the local
population a chance.
Unfortunately Senators Routier and Ozouf who had that
responsibility did not follow that through as it was deemed unfair for
business.
I now see jobs going to people in a recession that
should have been protected for the locals. I include in that term the
local population the Portuguese and Polish residents who have settled
here, who now find themselves competing to survive.
It is high time the people stopped electing people that
are good for business and started electing those that are good for the
common man.
Instead of jobs protected to a limited population we
have a careless free for all market with no sense of fairness
whatsoever.
A glaring example if one wishes to consider this a case
in point is the advert for the Manager of the Opera House who can start
immediately and is not required to have 5 years qualifications.
So as for a fair chance in this difficult economy one
only has to listen to the shouts at the theatre................Next
please !
Kind regards
Paul Le Claire
18 Garden Lane
St Helier
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