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THE STATES assembled on Thursday 24th October 2024, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Bailiff ,
Sir Timothy John Le Cocq .
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Connétable Deidre Wendy Mezbourian of St. Lawrence – ill
Connétable Karen Shenton-Stone – ill
Deputy Mary Rose Le Hegarat of St. Helier North – excused attendance
Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – absent on States Business
Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – en défaut (arrived in the Chamber at 9:55)
Deputy Beatriz Borges de Sousa Vaz Moreno Porée of St. Helier South – absent on States Business Deputy Thomas John Albert Binet of St. Saviour – en défaut
Deputy Lucy Kate Frances Stephenson of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – parental responsibilities
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Prayers
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Standing Order 55A – remote participation
THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –
Connétable Richard Anthony Kingston Honeycombe of St. Ouen Deputy Inna Gardiner of St. Helier North
Deputy Rosemary Esther Binet of Grouville and St. Martin
Ambassador of Italy to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland – welcome
The Bailiff , on behalf of members, welcomed the His Excellency Inigo Lambertini, Ambassador of Italy to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, who was present in the Public Gallery.
Delivery of three bilingual primary schools P.45/2024
THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of the Deputy Sir Philip Martin Bailhache of St. Clement entitled Delivery of three bilingual primary schools' (P.45/2024), as amended, and rejected paragraph (a) to approve in principle the conversion of at least two primary schools into English-French bilingual schools, with a progressively phased introduction of bilingual tuition in these schools to begin with reception classes.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 15
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy M.B. Andrews
CONTRE: 26
Connétable of St. Helier
Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy K.M. Wilson
Deputy R.E. Binet
ABSTAIN: 1 Deputy K.F. Morel
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b), requested the Minister for Education and Lifelong Learning to conduct a survey, in cooperation with Statistics Jersey, of the views of parents of pre-school children as to the desirability of establishing bilingual English-French primary schools in Jersey, and their willingness to send their children to such a school.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 22 CONTRE: 20 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews Deputy R.E. Binet
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John
Connétable of Grouville Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
THE STATES rejected paragraph (c) to request the Minister for Education and Lifelong Learning to appoint, subject to a positive outcome from the survey referred to in paragraph (b), an appropriately qualified project manager to ensure a smooth transition to bilingual teaching, and to establish at least two bilingual English-French primary schools by the beginning of the academic year 2026-27.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 11 CONTRE: 29 ABSTAIN: 2
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Clement Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy M.B. Andrews
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson
Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy D.J. Warr
Draft Income Support (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- P.59/2024
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Income Support (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Regulations 1 and 2.
THE STATES made Regulations entitled the Income Support (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 2024 under Articles 5 and 18 of the Income Support (Jersey) Law 2007.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 42 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Gender Pay and Income Ratio Consultation P.64/2024
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Max Brennan Andrews of St. Helier North entitled Gender Pay and Income Ratio Consultation' (P.64/2024) and rejected the proposition to request the Chief Minister to conduct a consultation with non-public sector entities on the reporting of Gender Pay and Income Ratios, with a view to presenting the findings of the consultation to the Assembly no later than January 2026.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 11 CONTRE: 30 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Helier Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of St. Brelade
Deputy I. Gardiner Connétable of Trinity
Deputy K.L. Moore Connétable of St. Peter
Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Connétable of St. John
Deputy D.J. Warr Connétable of Grouville
Deputy H.M. Miles Connétable of St. Ouen
Deputy J. Renouf Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy H.L. Jeune Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy M.B. Andrews Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Changes in Presidency
The Bailiff retired briefly from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of Deputy Max Brennan Andrews of St. Helier North entitled Gender Pay and Income Ratio Consultation' (P.64/2024) and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mr. William John Charles Millow , Deputy Greffier of the States, until the Bailiff 's return.
Funding for Culture, Arts and Heritage P.69/2024
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (a) of a proposition of the Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade entitled Funding for Culture, Arts and Heritage' (P.69/2024), agreed that no changes should be made to the target revenue expenditure model agreed by the States in P.40/2019 for the funding of Culture, Arts and Heritage, unless a proposition exclusively concerning the funding of those specific matters was considered and approved by the Assembly.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 23 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy P.F.C. Ozouf Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Ouen
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES noted that Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade did not propose paragraph (b) of the proposition.
Arrangement of public business for future meetings
THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –
12th November 2024
Draft Family Division Registrar (Change of Status and Title) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.56/2024. Lodged: 22nd August 2024, Minister for Justice and Home Affairs.
Draft Family Division Registrar (Change of Status and Title) (Jersey) Law 202- P.56/2024. (P.56/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 22nd August 2024, Minister for Justice and Home Affairs.
Draft Family Division Registrar (Change of Status and Title) (Jersey) Law 202- P.56/2024. (P.56/2024) – comments. Com. Presented: 8th October 2024, Children, Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel.
Draft Social Security Law (Parental Allowance and Death Grant) (Jersey) Amendment P.66/2024. Regulations 202-.
Lodged: 1st October 2024, Minister for Social Security.
Draft Social Security Law (Parental Allowance and Death Grant) (Jersey) Amendment P.66/2024. Regulations 202- (P.66/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 1st October 2024, Minister for Social Security.
Draft Royal Court and Stamp Duties and Fees (Jersey) Amendment Law 202-. P.67/2024. Lodged: 1st October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources. (re-issue).
Draft Royal Court and Stamp Duties and Fees (Jersey) Amendment Law 202- P.67/2024. (P.67/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 1st October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Pets in rental properties (P.70/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. P.70/2024. Presented: 9th October 2024, Deputy C.D . Curtis of St. Helier Central . Add.
Make States Old Age Pensions exempt from Tax' (In-Committee).
Report on the Petition to exempt tax on the old age pension. R.164/2024. Presented: 18th October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
26th November 2024
Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028. P.51/2024. Lodged: 2nd August 2024, Council of Ministers. (re-issue). Proposed Budget (Government Plan 2025-2028): Annex. R.133/2024. Presented: 13th August 2024, Council of Ministers.
Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 (P.51/2024) – amendment. Increase P.51/2024. Grants to States Funds. Amd. Lodged: 23rd September 2024, Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache of St. Clement .
Proposed Budget (Government Plan) 2025-2028 (P.51/2024) – amendment. (P.51/2024 P.51/2024. Amd.) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Amd.Add. Presented: 23rd September 2024, Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache of St. Clement .
Draft Social Security Law (Payments into Social Security Fund) (Jersey) Amendment P.62/2024. Regulations 202-.
Lodged: 16th September 2024, Minister for Social Security.
Draft Social Security Law (Payments into Social Security Fund) (Jersey) Amendment P.62/2024. Regulations 202- (P.62/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 16th September 2024, Minister for Social Security.
Draft Finance (2025 Budget) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.72/2024. Lodged: 14th October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Finance (2025 Budget) (Jersey) Law 202-. (P.72/2024) – Children's Rights Impact P.72/2024. Assessment. Add. Presented: 14th October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Act declaring that the Finance (2025 Budget) Law (Jersey) 202- has immediate P.72/2024. effect: second addendum to P.72/2024. Add.(2). Presented: 14th October 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
10th December 2024
Draft Shipping (Registration) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202-. P.46/2024. Lodged: 22nd July 2024, Minister for Sustainable Economic Development.
Draft Shipping (Registration) (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- (P.46/2024) – P.46/2024. Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 22nd July 2024, Minister for Sustainable Economic Development.
Amendment to Standing Orders – remote participation in States Meetings. P.63/2024. Lodged: 17th September 2024, Privileges and Procedures Committee.
Public Elections: Extension of eligibility criteria (P.65/2024) – Children's Rights Impact P.65/2024. Assessment. Add. Presented: 26th September 2024, Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .
Reporting on Ministerial Affairs. P.71/2024. Lodged: 11th October 2024, Deputy K.L. Moore of St. Ouen , St. Mary and St. Peter .
Reporting on Ministerial Affairs (P.71/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. P.71/2024. Presented: 11th October 2024, Deputy K.L. Moore of St. Ouen , St. Mary and St. Peter . Add. Draft Limited Partnerships (Jersey) Amendment Law 202-. P.73/2024. Lodged: 17th October 2024, Minister for External Relations.
Draft Limited Partnerships (Jersey) Amendment Law 202-. (P.73/2024) – Children's P.73/2024. Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 17th October 2024, Minister for External Relations.
Modern Languages in Schools. P.74/2024. Lodged: 21st October 2024, Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade .
Draft Employment and Discrimination Tribunal (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202-. P.75/2024. Lodged: 22nd October 2024, Minister for Social Security.
Draft Employment and Discrimination Tribunal (Jersey) Amendment Regulations 202- P.75/2024. (P.75/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 22nd October 2024, Minister for Social Security.
THE STATES rose at 5.17 p.m.
L.-M. HART Greffier of the States