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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 7th February 2024, at 9.30 a.m. under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff , Robert James MacRae , Esquire.
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All members were present at roll call with the exception of –
Connétable Deidre Wendy Mezbourian of St. Lawrence – ill
Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – en défaut
Deputy Hilary Louise Jeune of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.56 a.m.)
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Prayers
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Standing Order 55A – remote participation
THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams. The following Members attended remotely, either for all or part of the meeting –
Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour Documents presented
States of Jersey Law 2005: Delegation of Functions – Minister for Housing and R.19/2024. Communities – Appointment of Assistant Minister.
Presented: 7th February 2024, Minister for Housing and Communities.
States of Jersey Law 2005: Delegation of Functions – Minister for Treasury and R.20/2024. Resources – Appointment of Assistant Minister.
Presented: 7th February 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Oral Questions without notice (see Official Report/Hansard)
The Minister for Housing and Communities answered questions without notice from members. The Chief Minister answered questions without notice from members.
Draft Crime (Public Order) (Jersey) Law 202- P.97/2023
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Crime (Public Order) (Jersey) Law 202- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 15.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of His Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Crime (Public Order) (Jersey) Law 202-.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Changes in Presidency
The Deputy Bailiff retired from the Chamber prior to consideration of the Draft Crime (Public Order) (Jersey) Law 202- and the meeting continued under the Presidency of Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States.
Requirement for Seconder at Time of Lodging a Proposition P.102/2023
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Malcolm Ross Ferey of St. Saviour entitled Requirement for Seconder at Time of Lodging a Proposition' (P.102/2023) and rejected a proposition of the Connétable of St. Brelade that, in accordance with Standing Order 85, the Assembly move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 11 CONTRE: 30 ABSTAIN: 2
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy A. Howell Deputy K.M. Wilson
Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Mary Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy D.J. Warr
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Malcolm Ross Ferey of St. Saviour and rejected the proposition to request the Privileges and Procedures Committee to bring forward, before June 2024, the necessary amendments to the Standing Orders of the States of Jersey to require that any proposition brought by a Member of the States in his or her own right be seconded at the time of lodging and to remove the requirement for the Bailiff to ask for a seconder from the Assembly floor in such instances.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 5 CONTRE: 38 ABSTAIN: 0
Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy S.G. Luce
Deputy L.M.C. Doublet
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
Changes in Presidency
Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States, retired from the Chamber during consideration of the proposition of Deputy Malcolm Ross Ferey of St. Saviour entitled Requirement for Seconder at Time of Lodging a Proposition' (P.102/2023) and the meeting continued under the Presidency of the Deputy Bailiff .
Draft Wills and Succession (Amendment No. 3 – Collateral Succession of Immovable Estate) (Jersey) Law 202- P.105/2023
THE STATES commenced consideration of the Draft Wills and Succession (Amendment No. 3 – Collateral Succession of Immovable Estate) (Jersey) Law 202- and adopted the principles.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 43 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, having been informed that the relevant scrutiny panel had indicated that it did not wish to scrutinise the draft legislation, adopted Articles 1 to 4.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 44 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy M. Tadier Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy T.J.A. Binet
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews
THE STATES, subject to the sanction of His Most Excellent Majesty in Council, adopted a Law entitled the Wills and Succession (Amendment No. 3 – Collateral Succession of Immovable Estate) (Jersey) Law 202-.
The Seaside Café site at Grève de Lecq – acquisition by the public and transfer to the National Trust for Jersey P.5/2024
THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter entitled The Seaside Café site at Grève de Lecq – acquisition by the public and transfer to the National Trust for Jersey' (P.5/2024) and, adopting an amendment of Deputy Lucy Kate Frances Stephenson of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter , agreed that, after paragraph (b), there should be inserted the following new paragraph (c) –
"(c) to agree that the gift of the land to the National Trust for Jersey is subject to a condition that the
land must be returned to Public ownership if the National Trust for Jersey decides at any time to divest itself of ownership; and"
and that the existing paragraph (c) should be re-designated as paragraph (d).
THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter , as amended, and, adopting paragraph (a), approved, further to the Act of the States dated 19th July 2023, the acquisition by the Public of the land and property of the former Seaside Café at Grève De Lecq for the sum of £3,600,000 and requested the Minister for Treasury and Resources to make any payment incurred in connection with the acquisition of the said land and any interests therein, and of the payment of all legal expenses, from central reserves.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 40
Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson
CONTRE: 2
Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy M.B. Andrews
ABSTAIN: 1 Deputy S.G. Luce
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of the proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter , as amended, agreed that, following the acquisition of the land, it should forthwith be gifted to the National Trust for Jersey subject to a condition that the National Trust for Jersey utilised the land for environmental, cultural and social benefit to the public.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 35 CONTRE: 7 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Deputy S.G. Luce
Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Martin Deputy K.F. Morel
Connétable of St. John Deputy H.M. Miles Connétable of St. Clement Deputy A.F. Curtis Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy M.B. Andrews Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée
Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham
Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson
Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (c) of the proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter , as amended, agreed that the gift of the land to the National Trust for Jersey was subject to a condition that the land must be returned to Public ownership if the National Trust for Jersey decided at any time to divest itself of ownership.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 2 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Deputy S.G. Luce
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy M.B. Andrews
Connétable of St. Peter
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy A.F. Curtis
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson
THE STATES, adopting paragraph (d) of the proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter , as amended, authorised H.M. Attorney General and the Greffier of the States on behalf of the Public to pass any necessary contracts in connection with the acquisition and subsequent sale of the site and adjoining land.
Members present voted as follows –
POUR: 39 CONTRE: 3 ABSTAIN: 1 Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of Trinity Deputy S.G. Luce
Connétable of St. Brelade Deputy A.F. Curtis
Connétable of St. Peter Deputy M.B. Andrews
Connétable of St. Martin
Connétable of St. John
Connétable of St. Clement
Connétable of Grouville
Connétable of St. Ouen
Connétable of St. Mary
Connétable of St. Saviour
Deputy G.P. Southern
Deputy C.F. Labey
Deputy M. Tadier
Deputy K.F. Morel
Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat
Deputy S.M. Ahier
Deputy R.J. Ward
Deputy C.S. Alves
Deputy I. Gardiner
Deputy I.J. Gorst
Deputy L.J. Farnham
Deputy S.Y. Mézec
Deputy T.A. Coles
Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr
Deputy H.M. Miles
Deputy M.R. Scott
Deputy J. Renouf
Deputy C.D . Curtis
Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet
Deputy H.L. Jeune
Deputy M.E. Millar
Deputy A. Howell
Deputy M.R. Ferey
Deputy R.S. Kovacs
Deputy B. Ward
Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson
THE STATES noted that, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 106, the following members declared an interest in the subject of the proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter entitled The Seaside Café site at Grève de Lecq – acquisition by the public and transfer to the National Trust for Jersey' (P.5/2024) in that either they, or a relevant person, were a member of the National Trust for Jersey –
The Connétable of St. Brelade
The Connétable of St. Martin
The Connétable of St. Mary
Deputy Mary Rose Le Hegarat of St. Helier North
Deputy Inna Gardiner of St. Helier North
Deputy Ian Joseph Gorst of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter Deputy Helen Mary Miles of St. Brelade
Deputy Mary Rose Scott of St. Brelade
Deputy Catherine Dolores Curtis of St. Helier Central
Arrangement of public business for future meetings
THE STATES, adopting a proposition of Deputy Montfort Tadier of St. Brelade, agreed that his proposition entitled Ceasefire in Gaza' (P.7/2024) would be considered as the first item of public business at the meeting on 27th February 2024.
THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –
27th February 2024
Ceasefire In Gaza. P.7/2024. Lodged: 29th January 2024, Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade . (re-issue).
Ceasefire In Gaza (P.7/2024) – Children's Rights Impact Assessment. P.7/2024. Lodged: 29th January 2024, Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade . Add.
Jersey Overseas Aid: re-appointment of a Commissioner. P.4/2024. Lodged: 12th January 2024, Minister for International Development.
Draft Income Tax (Amendment – Stage 2 of Independent Taxation) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.6/2024. Lodged: 16th January 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Draft Income Tax (Amendment – Stage 2 of Independent Taxation) (Jersey) Law 202- P.6/2024. (P.6/2024): Children's Rights Impact Assessment. Add. Presented: 16th January 2024, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Cabinet Office expenditure savings. P.8/2024. Lodged: 5th February 2024, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier South .
Cabinet Office expenditure savings (P.8/2024): Children's Rights Impact Assessment. P.8/2024. Presented: 5th February 2024, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier South . Add.
19th March 2024
Offshore Wind. P.82/2023. Lodged: 17th October 2023, Council of Ministers.
Scrutiny Panel constitution: Minimum size. P.94/2023. Lodged: 7th November 2023, Deputy M.B. Andrews of St. Helier North .
Appointment of Non-Executive Directors and new Chair to the States of Jersey P.95/2023. Development Company. (re-issue). Lodged: 10th November 2023, Minister for Treasury and Resources.
Protection of Trees. P.98/2023. Lodged: 27th November 2023, Deputy M.R. Scott of St. Brelade .
Draft Children and Civil Status (Amendments) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.104/2023. Lodged: 21st December 2023, Minister for Children and Education.
Draft Children and Young People (Jersey) Commencement Act 202-. P.2/2024. Lodged: 12th January 2024, Minister for Children and Education.
THE STATES rose at 4.32 p.m.
L.-M. HART Greffier of the States