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States Debate on P.63/2003 - 24th June 2003

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Minutes of the States Assembly – 24th June 2003

States approval for new "user pays" charges – P.63/2003 Amendments – P.63/2003. Amd.

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Senator Stuart Syvret concerning pays" charges, and of amendments of the Finance and Economics Committee that in the proposi after the words "States Assembly", there should be added the words "where the impact of such char estimated by the Committee concerned, having consulted with the Finance and Economics Comm to raise income to the States which exceeds £250,000 in the first full year following the introduction o charge", which amendments were, after discussion, subsequently lodged "au Greffe" by Senator Ed Philip Vibert .

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition and rejected a proposition of Senator Ter Augustine Le Sueur that the States move to the consideration of the next item on the Order Paper.

Members present voted as follows

"Pour" (9) Senators

Le Sueur , Routier, Ozouf . Connétable

St. Saviour .

Deputies

Trinity , Dubras(L), Dorey(H), Farnham (S), Ryan(H).

"Contre" (40)

Senators

Le Maistre, Syvret, Kinnard, Le Claire, Lakeman, M. Vibert , E. Vibert . Connétable s

St. Martin , St. Ouen , St. Brelade , St. Mary , St. Peter , St. Clement , St. Helier , Tr St. Lawrence .

Deputies

Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin , St. John , Le Main(H), Baudains(C), Troy (B), V (L), Scott Warr en(S), Le Hérissier(S), Fox(H), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Southern (H), Bernstei Ferguson(B), St. Mary , St. Ouen , Taylor (C), Grouville , St. Peter , Hilton(H), De Faye(H).

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition and, after further discussion, reject proposition of Deputy Lyndon John Farnham of St. Saviour that the proposition be referred back Senator Stuart Syvret.

Members present voted as follows–

"Pour" (11) Senators

Norman, Le Sueur , Lakeman, Routier, M. Vibert , Ozouf .

Connétable

St. Saviour .

Deputies

Le Main(H), Farnham (S), St. Mary , Taylor (C).

"Contre" (37)

Senators

Le Maistre, Syvret, Kinnard, Le Claire, E. Vibert .

Connétable s

St. Martin , St. Ouen , St. Brelade , St. Mary , St. Peter , St. Clement , Trinity , St. Lawrence . Deputies

Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin , St. John , Dubras(L), Baudains(C), Dorey(H), (B), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S), Le Hérissier(S), Fox(H), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Souther Bernstein(B), Ferguson(B), St. Ouen , Ryan(H), Grouville , St. Peter , Hilton(H), De Faye(H).

THE STATES further resumed consideration and, adopting the proposition of Senator Stuart Syvret, agreed that no new "user pays" charges would be introduced by Committees of the States without an such charge receiving prior in principle approval by the States Assembly.

Members present voted as follows–

"Pour" (38) Senators

Le Maistre, Syvret, Norman, Kinnard, Le Claire, E. Vibert .

Connétable s

St. Martin , St. Ouen , St. Brelade , St. Mary , St. Peter , St. Clement , Trinity , St. Lawrence . Deputies

Duhamel(S), Breckon(S), Huet(H), St. Martin , St. John , Le Main(H), Baudains(C), Dorey(H), (B), Voisin(L), Scott Warr en(S), Le Hérissier(S), Fox(H), Bridge(H), Martin(H), Souther Bernstein(B), Ferguson(B), St. Ouen , Ryan(H), Grouville , St. Peter , Hilton(H), De Faye(H).

"Contre" (12) Senators

Le Sueur , Lakeman, Routier, M. Vibert , Ozouf . Connétable s

St. Saviour , St. Helier .

Deputies

Trinity , Dubras(L), Farnham (S), St. Mary , Taylor (C).